2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread

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Well the TWolves just put it on the Clippers in LA, crushing them 40-19 in the third and now cruising up by 22 with subs in late in fourth. Its February so whatever.
The Clippers have looked like they are the best team in the league for awhile now, but it's still just a moment in time. They weren't as bad as they looked when they were started off 0-5 with Harden, but they probably aren't as good as they looked when they had that 20-2 stretch with Kawhi (which ended with their blowout win over Boston) and everyone was crowning their ass. One of my favorite random facts from last year is that the team with the best record from December 1 through the end of the year (50 games) was...Philadelphia. Healthy Clippers have looked scary, but they're still led by the most injury prone superstar since Walton and a point guard with the richest history of playoff underachievement west of Pennsylvania.
 

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Here it is. Not trying to be a dick, but if you lift a post's idea you should probably not phrase it like it's an original thought you had.

I read that post and was immediately reminded of how young reddit is - because it was not really anything other than a whimsical retelling (some liberties taken), but a lot of the reddit posters are pretty young.
Agreed - I just ended up trying to remember the general gist since I blanked on where, and was more interested in throwing it on here than forgetting about it again.

Thank you for finding it!
 

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Can’t the NBA just apologize and say they are all losing sleep over the fact that that happened to the Knicks!
 

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The Miami deep bench is putting it on the Bucks and Coach Baelish up by 27 with just over eight minutes left in the fourth. Nikola Jovic has culture apparently.
 

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Not a lot of defense being played in Phx, but entertaining game. Rooting for the Kings but they just can’t get a stop.
 

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I'm not all that surprised---I'd put chances Lebron is elsehwere next year close to 50%

As with Ramona Laker stories you appreciate the access and can also pretty much assume Buss' publicist wrote sections of it. So the "Lebron is committed to Lakers'" bit lands for me as her spinning the reality that Lebron didn't crush this at first mention.
 

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Seems to give more credence that Bronnie/Bron will be a package deal next year, assuming Bronnie goes pro.
 

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So, Ben Simmons has one more year on his contract after this one at $40 million (?!?!?!). What do you think his market will be like when he's an UFA after that? Will he set the record for biggest salary reduction? Although, I guess John Wall probably already has that locked up.
 

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So, Ben Simmons has one more year on his contract after this one at $40 million (?!?!?!). What do you think his market will be like when he's an UFA after that? Will he set the record for biggest salary reduction? Although, I guess John Wall probably already has that locked up.
Russ went from max to almost min in a year too.

Simmons' market is probably a minimum contract, or maybe a bit above that for a team that really sells itself that it can fix him.
 

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So, Ben Simmons has one more year on his contract after this one at $40 million (?!?!?!). What do you think his market will be like when he's an UFA after that? Will he set the record for biggest salary reduction? Although, I guess John Wall probably already has that locked up.
Has there ever been a more obvious contract year than next seasons Ben Simmons contract year? His could be a very confusing market but doubt many will fall for it should this occur. It only takes one though.
 

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Has there ever been a more obvious contract year than next seasons Ben Simmons contract year? His could be a very confusing market but doubt many will fall for it should this occur. It only takes one though.
He doesn't seem to care much about basketball anymore, so yeah, I could actually see him going nuts in a contract year to get one last bag and then go back to shopping in LA.
 

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He doesn't seem to care much about basketball anymore, so yeah, I could actually see him going nuts in a contract year to get one last bag and then go back to shopping in LA.
I didn’t see last nights games but he has been playing hard and connected in 3 of the games I saw earlier this month. Mentioned in Silver Dollar but when his minutes restriction is lifted he’s primed to begin putting up some big numbers imo.
 

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That Lebron-Warriors story is fascinating. What would they have even offered? Guessing it would have been Kuminga and Klay plus picks, but that doesn’t do much for LA.
 

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That Lebron-Warriors story is fascinating. What would they have even offered? Guessing it would have been Kuminga and Klay plus picks, but that doesn’t do much for LA.
The funny thing is I was listening yesterday to the Simmons-Murdock discussion of the Warriors and they were pontificating that Steph and Draymond would rather keep it together and lose with Klay than break up the core for greater championship equity. Maybe not.
 

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So, Ben Simmons has one more year on his contract after this one at $40 million (?!?!?!). What do you think his market will be like when he's an UFA after that? Will he set the record for biggest salary reduction? Although, I guess John Wall probably already has that locked up.
In this particular case I think we have to put a reasonable likelihood on the possibility that the guy just retires. He'll have earned over $200M, and doesn't appear to particularly like playing basketball. What's the marginal gain to him of making a few more million as a vet for a few more years of his life, when he could just go back to Australia and do whatever suits his whimsy? Frankly, any prospective acquirer looking to sign him needs to reckon with this possibility, that they'll put pen to paper and then he'll either retire or resume acting like he's retired. Bit of a vicious circle to that, with respect to his valuation: the more there's the perception of it, the more it drives his value down, and the likelier the possibility of him ceasing to give any shit at all might become.

 

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I didn’t see last nights games but he has been playing hard and connected in 3 of the games I saw earlier this month. Mentioned in Silver Dollar but when his minutes restriction is lifted he’s primed to begin putting up some big numbers imo.
He was bad last night. And didn't seem particularly interested.
 

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That Lebron-Warriors story is fascinating. What would they have even offered? Guessing it would have been Kuminga and Klay plus picks, but that doesn’t do much for LA.
A reasonable offer would be Kuminga, Moody, Paul, Saric, Santos plus 2027 and 2029 unprotected #1 picks. That trade works in the Trade Machine. Gives AD a quality young teammate (and I haven't given up on Moody yet) and also gets the Lakers some picks that they desperately need. Plus Saric and Paul are expiring contracts, so that frees up a nice chunk of change to bring in someone else this off-season.

Another possibility, according to the trade machine, would've been Kuminga, Moody, Paul, Klay, Saric and picks for D'Angelo and LBJ. That opens up a TON of cap space in the off-season for LA, but was undoubtedly a non-starter for the Warriors for multiple reasons (i.e., they hate D'Angelo and wouldn't want his contract (he has a player option for next year), and wouldn't have time to flip him, they don't want to trade Klay, etc.).
 

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That Lebron-Warriors story is fascinating. What would they have even offered? Guessing it would have been Kuminga and Klay plus picks, but that doesn’t do much for LA.
I’d have to think Draymond was involved being that LeBron would essentially be taking over his role in the offense and his positional role defensively.
 

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I’d have to think Draymond was involved being that LeBron would essentially be taking over his role in the offense and his positional role defensively.
Draymond was the one texting Rich Paul to gauge LeBron's interest, according to the story.
 

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He was bad last night. And didn't seem particularly interested.
I had been thinking Ben Simmons would be really interesting for the Celtics on a minimum contract as a point center/sub for Horford, since you could surround him with enough shooting, but the hack-a-Ben strategy Joe ruthlessly unleashed seemed to take all the spirit right out of him.

Like, you could see the life drain right out of him the second he missed his first free throw.
 

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Woah.
View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1757750023813542324

ESPN Story with @RamonaShelburne: Over a 24-hour window prior to trade deadline that included owner to owner conversations, the Warriors made an unsuccessful bid to convince the Lakers and LeBron James to consider a trade to pair him with Stephen Curry.
Hate quoting my own posts, but the ultimate nightmare scenario in any Game 7 would have had 2x the likelihood of happening:

Another way to look at the "best player in the series" meme: which player(s) would give you the most angst knowing you have to face them in a Game 7 this coming playoffs? The player that, no matter what you do, could single-handedly take over the game when it matters and win the series.

What's interesting is that a number of people would probably agree with the answer I'm about to give:

Steph Curry and LeBron James
 

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I’d have to think Draymond was involved being that LeBron would essentially be taking over his role in the offense and his positional role defensively.
The story indicated that it was Draymond who was heavily involved in the recruitment.
 

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A reasonable offer would be Kuminga, Moody, Paul, Saric, Santos plus 2027 and 2029 unprotected #1 picks. That trade works in the Trade Machine. Gives AD a quality young teammate (and I haven't given up on Moody yet) and also gets the Lakers some picks that they desperately need. Plus Saric and Paul are expiring contracts, so that frees up a nice chunk of change to bring in someone else this off-season.

Another possibility, according to the trade machine, would've been Kuminga, Moody, Paul, Klay, Saric and picks for D'Angelo and LBJ. That opens up a TON of cap space in the off-season for LA, but was undoubtedly a non-starter for the Warriors for multiple reasons (i.e., they hate D'Angelo and wouldn't want his contract (he has a player option for next year), and wouldn't have time to flip him, they don't want to trade Klay, etc.).
While it's such a unique situation it's hard to be sure what was offered, I personally believe there is no chance there was that level of assets offered for a potential pending FA (player option for next year). Even if that player is LBJ.

I could believe that part of the discussion was whether LBJ would opt-in as part of the deal, which makes it more viable for GS (but likely still not to the level above!)

Curious if more details on of the offer and whether there were any contract negotiations leak out....a lot is possible as it's a unique player and situation here
 

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Dray: "Come to Golden State!"
LeBron: "...you just want to kick me in the nuts again, don't you?"
Dray: *hangs up "shit"
Or more awkward

Dray: "Come to Golden State!"
LeBron: "Yea cool, I'd love to play with Steph"
Woj: "A Lebron for Draymond plus young players and picks has just been completed"
Dray: "WTF?"
 

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Or more awkward

Dray: "Come to Golden State!"
LeBron: "Yea cool, I'd love to play with Steph"
Woj: "A Lebron for Draymond plus young players and picks has just been completed"
Dray: "WTF?"
Lol yeah this is what I was referring to also. Be careful what you wish for.
 

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Is Monty Williams a top 20 coach in the NBA?

Giving Shake Milton and Evan Fournier serious burn on a pathetic team is galaxy brain stuff
 

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Nikola Vucevic is rarely mentioned among the worst players in the league, but he's been a defensive liability for years and his offensive efficiency has tanked. 4-16 with 9 points tonight, in a game Chicago is trailing in the closing seconds.