2022 Jets: Fields of Green

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Not to be crass, but can you elaborate? I hadn't heard anything about this.

edit: I guess there's no need. You pretty much laid it out.
What is fun about this is it can be elaborated on. He cheated on his 10/10 girlfriend with his mom’s best friend. His girlfriend responded by dumping him and then getting together with Zach’s best friend.

The old Chinese curse ‘may you lead an interesting life’ comes to mind.
 

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So why didn’t Saleh pull Wilson at any point in that game?
That’s the question every Jets fan has been asking since about midway through the 3rd quarter.

I truly believe that if not for the postgame press conference Zach would still be starting but that two letter answer was too alarming to be ignored. Wilson HAS to sit until he learns humility. Or how to be an NFL quarterback. Whichever
 

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Can we get a 2nd rounder for Zappe?
QBs require leadership and accountability. It's a big part of the job, the team needs to believe.

Which is why a talented QB like Carson Wentz is awful (and constantly being moved to other teams) while players will run through brick walls for guys like Taylor Heineke. There is no world in which Taylor is more physically skilled than Carson. But it's more than that.
 

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One of the guys I watch SMU with (he sits in the row behind me) has an expression I absolutely love but is more popular in middling college programs than the NFL, “The most popular player on a team is the backup quarterback.” True for the Jets. The troubling part for them is they aren’t going to pick high this year and even maybe next because the rest of this team is very good.

Edit: Jimmy G might learn to love the NYC area.
 

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One of the guys I watch SMU with (he sits in the row behind me) has an expression I absolutely love but is more popular in middling college programs than the NFL, “The most popular player on a team is the backup quarterback.” True for the Jets. The troubling part for them is they aren’t going to pick high this year and even maybe next because the rest of this team is very good.

Edit: Jimmy G might learn to love the NYC area.
Let me wet blanket this youngster; that’s a very old and common saying. It was discussed on Michael Kay’s show when discussing Mike White before this news about the change was official.

True for the Jets

True for the Pats (Zappe)

Was true for any team starting Mitch (rightfully).
 

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Sorry I phrased that poorly. I know it’s a somewhat common expression but he was the guy who introduced me to it. I got a real kick out of it.
 

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Sorry I phrased that poorly. I know it’s a somewhat common expression but he was the guy who introduced me to it. I got a real kick out of it.
It’s so true for so many fan bases. it reminds me of the Michael Bishop Era after he won a preseason game here.
 

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That’s the question every Jets fan has been asking since about midway through the 3rd quarter.

I truly believe that if not for the postgame press conference Zach would still be starting but that two letter answer was too alarming to be ignored. Wilson HAS to sit until he learns humility. Or how to be an NFL quarterback. Whichever
I would say that his lack of humility is less of a problem than his lack of ability, but if it was the press conference that led to his benching, perhaps Saleh values humility over talent. There’s a decent chance they win that game with White or Flacco out there for the fourth quarter.
 

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I would say that his lack of humility is less of a problem than his lack of ability, but if it was the press conference that led to his benching, perhaps Saleh values humility over talent. There’s a decent chance they win that game with White or Flacco out there for the fourth quarter.
I think it’s the combination of both humility and ability. I definitely think they win that game on Sunday with White or Flacco, that’s kinda what I was hinting at, but I also can understand why Saleh wanted to show Wilson he had faith in him. He was the quarterback on the field during two comeback wins when he didn’t look great up to those points either. I feel like Saleh wanted to roll with him because he hadn’t been detrimental to the team up until that point, but when he refused to own up to it and you started to hear his teammates talking, there was no other option. I don’t think Wilson is finished in New York yet but I don’t think he’s getting anything handed to him anymore. From this point forward it’s put up or shut up. As it should have been all along
 

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It’s so true for so many fan bases. it reminds me of the Michael Bishop Era after he won a preseason game here.
I saw a guy on twitter a while back show Bishop highlights saying he would be the MVP in today's NFL because of the wide-open style. tons of people pointed out he was one of the worst QB's ever in the wide-open CFL. I remember an analyst at halftime showing five occasions in a row where Bishop threw to the worst possible receiver and he noted if you tried to throw to the worst guy each play it would be really hard to duplicate that sequence. But to be fair, all of those balls were absolute lasers.
 

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Its essentially the origin story for Zo's broadcast career, right?
Remember that time he beat the Niners in '98 after Drew's finger injury ended his season?? That team went 12-4 and beat the two-time defending NFC Champion Packers in the playoffs. They had Steve Young, Jerry Rice, and TO. Unreal.

The playoff game @ Jacksonville didn't go quite as well.
 

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Remember that time he beat the Niners in '98 after Drew's finger injury ended his season?? That team went 12-4 and beat the two-time defending NFC Champion Packers in the playoffs. They had Steve Young, Jerry Rice, and TO. Unreal.

The playoff game @ Jacksonville didn't go quite as well.
I remember that game. I was fuming (sorry guys, 49er fan here) at the Pats beating the 9ers with the backup QB having such a big game.
 

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Taking a look at Zach Wilson's lifetime stats, it's safe to say he's never had a game as good as the one Mike White played today.

He's got Vikings, Bills, Lions, and Jags next. If he's for real, he should continue looking good through Christmas.
 

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Taking a look at Zach Wilson's lifetime stats, it's safe to say he's never had a game as good as the one Mike White played today.

He's got Vikings, Bills, Lions, and Jags next. If he's for real, he should continue looking good through Christmas.
White’s good games look a lot like Mac’s good games. Jets have the most talented team we have had in over a decade so if he is below average but not terrible we can compete.
 

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Didn’t get to watch the game today but sounds like White played a great game. Exactly what the team needed! Next week should be a good test, I’m cautiously optimistic about their chances. I haven’t been terribly impressed by anything I’ve seen from the Vikings
 

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Where does Wilson fall on an all-time bust list? His career isn't over yet, but the 2nd overall pick being a healthy scratch late in year 2 is...bad. My first though is Ryan Leaf, also drafted 2nd overall and started just 18 games in two seasons for the Chargers (with a year missed in between to injury). Not far off of Wilson, 22 starts in two seasons for the Jets and appears to be done (at least with the team that drafted him).
 

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Where does Wilson fall on an all-time bust list? His career isn't over yet, but the 2nd overall pick being a healthy scratch late in year 2 is...bad. My first though is Ryan Leaf, also drafted 2nd overall and started just 18 games in two seasons for the Chargers (with a year missed in between to injury). Not far off of Wilson, 22 starts in two seasons for the Jets and appears to be done (at least with the team that drafted him).
Leaf certainly comes to mind. Tale of the tape:
Wilson: 8-13; 55.2%; 6.4 YPA; 2.4 TD %; 2.9 INT %; 70.9 rating; 4.29 ANY/A
Leaf: 4-17; 48.4%; 5.6 YPA; 2.1 TD %; 5.5 INT %; 50.0 rating; 2.71 ANY/A

Leaf was worse, even adjusting for era.

Akili Smith also comes to mind, he was a similar level of bust as Leaf.

Rick Mirer was no good but he lasted a while in the NFL. Ditto Heath Shuler.

I think JaMarcus Russell is the best comp: 7-18; 52.1%; 2.6 TD %; 3.4 INT %; 65.2 rating; 3.93 ANY/A. But he was drafted first so maybe more hype?
 

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Where does Wilson fall on an all-time bust list? His career isn't over yet, but the 2nd overall pick being a healthy scratch late in year 2 is...bad. My first though is Ryan Leaf, also drafted 2nd overall and started just 18 games in two seasons for the Chargers (with a year missed in between to injury). Not far off of Wilson, 22 starts in two seasons for the Jets and appears to be done (at least with the team that drafted him).
Quarterbacks drafted No. 2 overall, the past 50ish years

1971 Archie Manning
1973 Bert Jones
1993 Rick Mirer
1998 Ryan Leaf
1999 Donovan MvNabb
2012 Robert Griffin III
2015 Marcus Mariotta
2016 Carson Wentz
2017 Mitchell Trubisky
2021 Zach Wilson
 

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Zach can still go to reclamation school. This is all mental with him.

We’re on to Mike White and this is the first thing I thought when I saw he was cleared

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Eh, forget it, luckiest. A second, fourth, and sixth aren't walking through the door this time.

I always think Marinovich and Schlichter when I think of megabusts. Not as heralded coming in, I suppose, but magnificently messy.
 

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Snakes on a Jet

Saleh has said the “quarterback is the head of the snake,” and that “you want the head of the snake to be stable.” The Jets will spend the offseason looking for a new quarterback since Wilson, most have accepted, is not the solution.

The Athletic spoke with a dozen players, coaches, staff and others in and around the Jets organization to figure out what went wrong. Some were granted anonymity to speak freely about the inner workings of the team without reprisal. Those conversations painted the picture of a head coach doing his best to keep things together as his players grew increasingly irritated with a young quarterback battling injuries, self-doubt and a frustrated offensive coordinator.
 

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Has a team ever busted on a pair of top-3 QBs within a 4 year span?
Really is ridiculous how much value they wasted by missing on Darnold/Wilson. In 2018, they obviously could have had Josh Allen. I don't think Josh Allen with the Jets looks like the Bills' Josh Allen...but he certainly would have been better than Darnold. Then, you have Zach Wilson over all of the studs in the 2021 draft. Really would have been interesting had the Jets gone Lance and then you likely give Zach Wilson to Shanahan. Would things have been different? Who knows but I think a guy like Shanahan is the only chance for a guy like Wilson.

And, despite all this, the Jets are still a pretty solid team right now because they've drafted pretty well outside of the QB misses. I mean, Sauce/Wilson/Hall is simply an awesome draft. All 3 were high impact guys this year and there are many future Pro Bowls coming for that group. Hopefully, Hall gets back because he was dynamic for them.
 

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Really is ridiculous how much value they wasted by missing on Darnold/Wilson. In 2018, they obviously could have had Josh Allen. I don't think Josh Allen with the Jets looks like the Bills' Josh Allen...but he certainly would have been better than Darnold. Then, you have Zach Wilson over all of the studs in the 2021 draft. Really would have been interesting had the Jets gone Lance and then you likely give Zach Wilson to Shanahan. Would things have been different? Who knows but I think a guy like Shanahan is the only chance for a guy like Wilson.

And, despite all this, the Jets are still a pretty solid team right now because they've drafted pretty well outside of the QB misses. I mean, Sauce/Wilson/Hall is simply an awesome draft. All 3 were high impact guys this year and there are many future Pro Bowls coming for that group. Hopefully, Hall gets back because he was dynamic for them.
I'm not sure Allen doesn't fail completely with the NYJ either. He had a rough start in Buffalo growing into the job and the NYC media and dysfunctional Jets may have pulled the plug before he figured it out or he may not be in a position to figure it out (Hello Diggs). Forget drafting lance, but if they got the 49ers trade and picked up 2 more 1st Rounders and a 3rd they could have rebuilt so quickly with a good draft.
 

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I'm not sure Allen doesn't fail completely with the NYJ either. He had a rough start in Buffalo growing into the job and the NYC media and dysfunctional Jets may have pulled the plug before he figured it out or he may not be in a position to figure it out (Hello Diggs). Forget drafting lance, but if they got the 49ers trade and picked up 2 more 1st Rounders and a 3rd they could have rebuilt so quickly with a good draft.
Agreed, Allen would have absolutely busted on the Jets