2022 HOF Candidates: Ortiz and Papelbon First Time on Ballot
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Yes, there was a time when he wasn't hitting well enough to play catcher. There was a time when Theo Epstein said in a press conference, “If he’s going to be the D.H. on this team, we need him to be a force.” Tito once sent Mike Lowell to the plate to hit for him. (Glad he got his groove back.)
As I’m watching 4 Days, the clips of the nesn postgame play and there’s the RemDog and it truly hit me that he’s not here anymore. I really wish he was here to see this.
Didn’t Papi credit Gonzalez at that time for hitting advice, e.g. letting the ball travel and go oppo as a way of attacking?
Yeah, especially since the guy currently sharing the thread title with him got 5 votes (1.3%).
This is amazing. I was at work tonight when I heard about this and started to cry a bit. Last week I lost my best friend in the same way. Been a really tough week and to get some amazing news like this just helped so much. Congrats David you more then earned this.
Other things which happened on a July 24….
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200407240.shtml
For me as well—and no doubt the source of CHB’s hate—David Ortiz is the single person who most killed the Yankee mystique.
Awesome shot, as always. Just a crazy final season for him too. What a way to go out.
Haha my first thought as well. Don't even need to click on the link, it's just always what I associate that date with now, every year.
I didn't think I had any tears in me over this, but you found a way to wring out some more.
Just wanted to thank you for this beautiful piece of writing. Was already a little verklempt and then read this.
Joe Buck's TIE GAME! is the best call he's ever made, baseball or football. Well, at least to me.
Ortiz fight's it off Damon's running to the plate and he can keep on running to new york is underrated
That was a great line. The tie game call was just by far the most excited I've ever heard Buck, before or since,and on a Red Sox hit no less.
The fact that we are talking about two separate Joe buck calls is amazing haha
Not much to add to this wonderful discussion, but here is an article from the Mariners' perspective with lots of retelling of his time in the organization.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/awe-and-regret-looking-back-at-new-hall-of-famer-david-ortizs-roots-in-the-mariners-organization/
Larry Beinfest's inexplicably fawning wikipedia page should be updated with an entire section devoted to his decision to make Ortiz the PTBNL in a deadline deal for Dave Hollins.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/awe-and-regret-looking-back-at-new-hall-of-famer-david-ortizs-roots-in-the-mariners-organization/
Larry Beinfest's inexplicably fawning wikipedia page should be updated with an entire section devoted to his decision to make Ortiz the PTBNL in a deadline deal for Dave Hollins.
As a UK based Red Sox fan I’ve only been to Fenway once, and in fact only seen the Red Sox play in person once. It was September 2005 against the Angels and of course David Ortiz hit a walk-off home run. Thank you Big Papi for the memory of that night, and for all the other amazing memories.
View: https://youtu.be/PJZ5MfNKuLU
View: https://youtu.be/PJZ5MfNKuLU
Wow.
I had that shirt set to wear to the office today, and now I will just be accused of copying Papi.
Again.
Well, congrats to David. You deserve it. I will see if I can get my money back for the shirt.
I had that shirt set to wear to the office today, and now I will just be accused of copying Papi.
Again.
Well, congrats to David. You deserve it. I will see if I can get my money back for the shirt.
When I went to see Pedro's induction in 2015 I booked with a tour company -- worked out well; they arranged lodging in Albany, transportation to/from Cooperstown, some swag and designated seating at the ceremony. Made it pretty painless.
This thread is the perfect antidote to all the national media bloviating about the guys who didn't make it in, and how Ortiz's numbers stack up against one in particular. It's a shame that has to be such a big part of the story, but Papi will have his day in July - and it's pretty cool that it will truly be HIS day alone.
What’s the ticket situation? Do you need them to get into the ceremony, and if so where can I buy them? I couldn’t find any info on the Hall website
David Ortiz being inducted to the Hall of Fame gives us something to be excited about during the doldrums of a New England winter (in the midst of a lockout nonetheless). It being the first ballot is a very sweet cherry on top. Thank you, Big Papi, for the clutch hits and championships.
P.S. Big Papi has been a Hall of Fame nickname since its inception, courtesy of Jerry Remy. Thankfully it too will be immortalized in Cooperstown.
P.S. Big Papi has been a Hall of Fame nickname since its inception, courtesy of Jerry Remy. Thankfully it too will be immortalized in Cooperstown.
big giant grass field, free, general admission for the unwashed masses, FCFS etc
At least it was in 2015 unless i am misremembering
I believe attending the ceremony is free but you're not guaranteed any specific spot. As was mentioned upthread, there are packages that get you reserved seating for the ceremony, which I assume are much closer than the general seating area, but the link to the packages is currently broken. For $500 you can become a President's Circle HoF member and it guarantees you two reserved seats for the induction ceremony and you can reserve advanced tickets to tour the museum before they're open to the public (which is currently showing availability to the public thru the end of April). https://baseballhall.org/support-the-hall/become-a-member
It is a poignant reminder that as Papi was helping us beat the Yankees, the Twins were losing to them. Every year, basically. A Twins team with Mauer, Morneau, and Ortiz (with Santana and Nathan) probably gets past them. At least once! But hey, them’s the breaks…
Baseball is in a lockout with an uncertain future. We are in the worst pandemic in a century with an uncertain future. Our politics are FUBAR with an uncertain future. Anxieties abound.
And then Big Papi comes up with another clutch hit to restore optimism.
I am old enough to have seen Ted Williams play, to have seen Mel Parnell do battle with Joe D., to have been thrilled by Yaz, and to see Pedro pitch like a demigod. But no baseball player has made me feel so good as David Ortiz. Thanks and Congratulations Big Papi.
And then Big Papi comes up with another clutch hit to restore optimism.
I am old enough to have seen Ted Williams play, to have seen Mel Parnell do battle with Joe D., to have been thrilled by Yaz, and to see Pedro pitch like a demigod. But no baseball player has made me feel so good as David Ortiz. Thanks and Congratulations Big Papi.
Not to turn the page already by any means, but who will be the next Red Sox player to be inducted (e.g., goes in with a Boston cap) by the ballot vote? I don't see Manny going in, though he may have the best chance at this point. Schilling (who, arguably, could have gone in as a Diamondback or with a blank cap) and Papelbon are off the ballot after this year. Adrian Beltré has a strong chance, but it won't be in a Boston cap; neither will Billy Wagner if he gets in. Some have wondered about Lester (though he could go in as a Cub or with no cap) and Pedroia, but both are borderline at best by consensus. Who else does that leave? Are we looking at a long stretch of no new Boston players in Cooperstown? Will we have to wait for someone like Bogaerts to retire? Or Devers? With the dearth of 200-game winners on the ballots in the upcoming years, will the criteria for pitchers change so that a guy like Sale gets in even with the couple of lost seasons?
My best bet for next no-brainer Red Sox Hall of Famer is probably Mookie Betts, but he’ll be as Red Sox as Babe Ruth by then…
Chris Sale seems like the best bet at the moment for the next plaque with a B on it. Already racked up 46 bWAR, career 3.03 ERA, currently has the best K:BB ratio of all time. If he retired today, the Hall would put a White Sox logo on his cap, but by the time he's done playing that likely won't be the case.
I think Xander has a long and very outside shot at the hall, but his 30's will need to be great.
I think Xander has a long and very outside shot at the hall, but his 30's will need to be great.
I’m still holding out hope for #15, by the Today’s Game committee if not through regular voting.
The Globe's Alex Speier wrote about this very topic on Wednesday.
The soonest possibilities are Evans or Tiant through the Veterans' Committee voting. Francona will get in, but probably won't be up for consideration until the 2030s. Xander and Devers are the likeliest Sox-centric candidates among current players, but obviously their careers have to continue at their current paces.
The soonest possibilities are Evans or Tiant through the Veterans' Committee voting. Francona will get in, but probably won't be up for consideration until the 2030s. Xander and Devers are the likeliest Sox-centric candidates among current players, but obviously their careers have to continue at their current paces.
I wonder if Sale would have a sub-3.00 career ERA if not for his Jekyll and Hyde year before he got TJS? Hopefully this year he can bring it back under. He probably is the only one right now that can start thinking about what he might wear to the MLB Network special on announcement day.
Marcelo Mayer.
Just kidding. I don't think X gets in unless he really turns it on the next few years or maintains his 4.2WAR/162 pace into his late 30s. Devers is too young to make a realistic call, but my gut says no as well - not the best 3B in the league, and defensive deficiencies means he's not long for the position either. Maybe he ends up north of 500 home runs, who knows. And don't get me wrong - both are fantastic players, and I hope they both have long and storied careers in Boston.
I think Sale is the best bet on the traditional 10-year ballot. What does everyone think of Kimbrel?
Just kidding. I don't think X gets in unless he really turns it on the next few years or maintains his 4.2WAR/162 pace into his late 30s. Devers is too young to make a realistic call, but my gut says no as well - not the best 3B in the league, and defensive deficiencies means he's not long for the position either. Maybe he ends up north of 500 home runs, who knows. And don't get me wrong - both are fantastic players, and I hope they both have long and storied careers in Boston.
I think Sale is the best bet on the traditional 10-year ballot. What does everyone think of Kimbrel?
If Kimbrel gets in, he’s in as a Brave
both more years and better performance (4 straight years of leading the league in saves and better era/whip/fip numbers too)
never led the league here