2022-23 NBA Game Thread

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Wow, brutal ending to that Clips/Thunder game. Kawhi got the rebound with 21 seconds left, down 1. Typically in this situation you look to get a good look asap, so that if you miss the shot you can foul and extend the game. Kawhi just dribbled the clock out without getting a shot up.
 

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Back in time for the playoffs? Dude this is the Clippers. His career is done. He'll be lucky to suit up before 2025
 

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Pool report from the officiating crew after the Clippers game
View: https://twitter.com/lawmurraythenu/status/1638413500153479168?s=46&t=4A_L8qoKOnofphlcF4_qlQ


Oh no! He clapped and pointed aggressively! Wont somebody think of the children!‬

‪I know that when i pay good money to see a game, i go to see the officials be the stars of the game.‬

So an ejection and a technical which changed the outcome of this game were because an official got his feelings hurt by “aggressively” clapping?

Good greif does the NBA have a huge officiating problem.
 
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If pointing and aggressively clapping are now grounds for a technical foul in the NBA, than we are about to see a lot more ejections the rest of the season.

Silver needs to fix the officiating in NBA. It’s becoming more of problem and having a greater impact on the outcome of games.
 

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If pointing and aggressively clapping are now grounds for a technical foul in the NBA, than we are about to see a lot more ejections the rest of the season.

Silver needs to fix the officiating in NBA. It’s becoming more of problem and having a greater impact on the outcome of games.
As usual, statements defending techs like that do not reflect well on a league where Draymond isn’t ejected on a nightly basis.
 

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Eh, they're two extremely limited players who were excellent in a couple of ways. Rodman wouldn't have been who he was if he hadn't played on the bad boys pistons and the jordan bulls, just as Draymond wouldn't be the same if he didn't play alongside the best collection of shooters in history. He's a dirty POS and the amount of rope he gets from the refs is unbelievable, but he's the reason why those early Warriors teams were so good defensively. I don't even know if Rodman was the best defender on his own team most of the time.
Not quite sure what you mean by the Rodman comment (needing to have played on the Pistons and Bulls), but he played for a bunch of other teams too.

2 years with San Antonio (age 32-33): averaged 17.1 rebounds for them
1 year with LA Lakers (age 37): averaged 11.2 rebounds for them at that age
1 year with Dallas (age 38): averaged 14.3 rebounds (age 38!)

He was basically the same player his whole career, whether he was with Chicago or Detroit or San Antonio or LA or Dallas. A defensive menace, a rebounding machine, and an absolutely eccentric, annoying player.

Maybe you can argue he never would have become all these things if he hadn't started his career with Detroit. Who knows. What we do know is that everywhere he went - right up til his last year in the league at age 38 - he was a defensive and rebounding monster.
 

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Not quite sure what you mean by the Rodman comment (needing to have played on the Pistons and Bulls), but he played for a bunch of other teams too.

2 years with San Antonio (age 32-33): averaged 17.1 rebounds for them
1 year with LA Lakers (age 37): averaged 11.2 rebounds for them at that age
1 year with Dallas (age 38): averaged 14.3 rebounds (age 38!)

He was basically the same player his whole career, whether he was with Chicago or Detroit or San Antonio or LA or Dallas. A defensive menace, a rebounding machine, and an absolutely eccentric, annoying player.

Maybe you can argue he never would have become all these things if he hadn't started his career with Detroit. Who knows. What we do know is that everywhere he went - right up til his last year in the league at age 38 - he was a defensive and rebounding monster.
Rodman was bad on both the Lakers and Dallas. He was always injured and grab rebounds because he quite literally didn't do anything else. In his prime, Rodman was an All-NBA defender, but I do think he is an overrated player because he really didn't do anything on offense outside of crash the glass, and there are plenty of instances where his defense suffered because he was afraid about being pulled away from the basket and away from rebounding opportunities.

Rodman could not play in today's NBA. I think Draymond is a way better player; Draymond is one of the best screeners of his generation and an excellent passer and playmaker, especially out of the screen and roll.
 

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Rodman was bad on both the Lakers and Dallas. He was always injured and grab rebounds because he quite literally didn't do anything else. In his prime, Rodman was an All-NBA defender, but I do think he is an overrated player because he really didn't do anything on offense outside of crash the glass, and there are plenty of instances where his defense suffered because he was afraid about being pulled away from the basket and away from rebounding opportunities.

Rodman could not play in today's NBA. I think Draymond is a way better player; Draymond is one of the best screeners of his generation and an excellent passer and playmaker, especially out of the screen and roll.
Word. Rodman was elite at one thing for a long time and very skilled at another thing for a few years. People wildly overrate him because of his eccentricity and teammates.
 

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Bulls are getting mollywhopped by the 76ers right now. Really brutal offense. 19-1 in the first quarter.

Edit: 23-1 with 7 minutes to go.
Sixers had 24 assists on first 27 field goals. Harden is out tonight to rest a sore hammy. Embiid working half-shift, as Doc tries to spread load during busy week, 4 road games in 6 days.
 

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Bismack Biyombo is a guy who feels like a draft bust, a player that never panned out, yet he's somehow in his 12th year in the league, has made almost $90 million in his career (thanks Rob Hennigan!) despite not really improving in any notable way since he came into the league as a raw teenager. There is still a place in the NBA for a big who can block some shots and clean the glass.
 

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Ridiculous free throw disparity in favor of the Lakers last night. Next time make it less obvious you want a healthy Lebron and LA in the play in game, Silver.
 
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At 0:34, I don't get how this isn't a travel on Doncic. He gathers the ball and takes about four steps?

 

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Ridiculous free throw disparity in favor of the Lakers last night. Next time make it less obvious you want a healthy Lebron and LA in the play in game, Silver.
Not just last night. Top five in (FTA - opponent FTA) on the season:

1. Lakers +387
2. Heat +184
3. Kings +179
4. Magic +152
5. Knicks +141

Bottom five:

26. Wolves -177
27. Spurs -204
28. Nets -222
29. Suns -316
30. Warriors -392

Some of this is probably explainable by style of play (on both ends) but I don't get the epic boner the refs seem to have for Austin Reaves.
 
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Not just last night. Top five in (FTA - opponent FTA) on the season:

1. Lakers +387
2. Heat +184
3. Kings +179
4. Magic +152
5. Knicks +141

Bottom five:

26. Wolves -177
27. Spurs -204
28. Nets -222
29. Suns -316
30. Warriors -392

Some of this is probably explainable by style of play (on both ends) but I don't get the epic boner the refs seem to have for Austin Reaves.
I just looked it up. Dude's taken 53 FTs in his last 4 games. 53!
 

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I just looked it up. Dude's taken 53 FTs in his last 4 games. 53!
The college game certainly is different but Reeves was elite elite at getting to the line in college. I believe he led the Big-12 every year he was at OK State. This isn’t homer calls or a fluke this is what he does……he’s also very underrated because he doesn’t look like your prototypical NBA player.
 

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The college game certainly is different but Reeves was elite elite at getting to the line in college. I believe he led the Big-12 every year he was at OK State. This isn’t homer calls or a fluke this is what he does……he’s also very underrated because he doesn’t look like your prototypical NBA player.
He averages 4 FTA / game. This insane stretch seems rather fluky to me but I didn't see the calls so maybe just a weird, random stretch...that coincidentally comes as the Lakers need wins down the stretch.
 

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It's also coming during a period where LeBron has been out and they've needed him to take on a bigger role offensively.
 

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Bismack Biyombo is a guy who feels like a draft bust, a player that never panned out, yet he's somehow in his 12th year in the league, has made almost $90 million in his career (thanks Rob Hennigan!) despite not really improving in any notable way since he came into the league as a raw teenager. There is still a place in the NBA for a big who can block some shots and clean the glass.
This made me look him up. While many drafted in 2011 played in only a handful/couple dozen games, he is next to last of everyone who got into a game in terms of VORP (-2.2), ahead of only Norris Cole (amazingly -4.1 in only 360 games).
 

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It's also coming during a period where LeBron has been out and they've needed him to take on a bigger role offensively.
He averaged about 4.3 FTA the previous 15 or so games, most of which came without LeBron. I just find 53 FTA over 4 games to be rather fluky when he had about 60 over the previous 15. Again, maybe just statistical noise. Or maybe he got disproportionately hacked these last few games.
 

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This made me look him up. While many drafted in 2011 played in only a handful/couple dozen games, he is next to last of everyone who got into a game in terms of VORP (-2.2), ahead of only Norris Cole (amazingly -4.1 in only 360 games).
And he really hasn't gotten any better by any statistical measure since he came into the league. He can't score unless it's a dunk right at the basket, he can't pass, he can't make free throws, he can't play big minutes without fouling, etc. But he can protect the paint for 10-20 minutes per game and rebound at a good rate, and despite all the changes to basketball and the pace and space era, he still is finding work. He played significant minutes for Phoenix last night.
 

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He averaged about 4.3 FTA the previous 15 or so games, most of which came without LeBron. I just find 53 FTA over 4 games to be rather fluky when he had about 60 over the previous 15. Again, maybe just statistical noise. Or maybe he got disproportionately hacked these last few games.
It's definitely a hot streak and not nearly the norm; just like how Cam Thomas averaging 40 ppg for a week was an abnormal streak earlier this year. In Reaves' case, the explanation is that he has been more aggressive over the last week, and in college where he had a much higher usage rate, his game was as a slasher attacking the rim and getting to the line.

We are also getting to the point of the year where there is going to be some silly stuff as teams tank/give-up/secure playoff seeding. With the wacky stat lines we've seen already this season, we could see some really crazy stuff--something like Killian Hayes scoring 60 points.
 

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It's definitely a hot streak and not nearly the norm; just like how Cam Thomas averaging 40 ppg for a week was an abnormal streak earlier this year. In Reaves' case, the explanation is that he has been more aggressive over the last week, and in college where he had a much higher usage rate, his game was as a slasher attacking the rim and getting to the line.

We are also getting to the point of the year where there is going to be some silly stuff as teams tank/give-up/secure playoff seeding. With the wacky stat lines we've seen already this season, we could see some really crazy stuff--something like Killian Hayes scoring 60 points.
Yeah, his per 36 figures are pretty solid so there is clearly some slashing ability there. Truthfully, I hate it when anyone gets 18-20 FTA in 30 mins of gametime, whether you're Embiid or Austin Reaves.
 

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He averages 4 FTA / game. This insane stretch seems rather fluky to me but I didn't see the calls so maybe just a weird, random stretch...that coincidentally comes as the Lakers need wins down the stretch.
Remember though that he has a much larger role in the offense now than when LeBron and Westbrook were in the lineup so that 4 FTA/g is deceiving. Reeves is really skilled at drawing contact.
 

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And he really hasn't gotten any better by any statistical measure since he came into the league. He can't score unless it's a dunk right at the basket, he can't pass, he can't make free throws, he can't play big minutes without fouling, etc. But he can protect the paint for 10-20 minutes per game and rebound at a good rate, and despite all the changes to basketball and the pace and space era, he still is finding work. He played significant minutes for Phoenix last night.
Are you talking about Reeves? If so, I disagree with pretty much all of this.
 

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Remember though that he has a much larger role in the offense now than when LeBron and Westbrook were in the lineup so that 4 FTA/g is deceiving. Reeves is really skilled at drawing contact.
The statistics I posted were when LeBron/Westbrook were both gone. He was about 4.3 FTA the past 15 or so games (think LeBron was around for 3-4 of them) before the 4 game blow up so not much greater than his figures with LeBron/Westbrook.
 

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The statistics I posted were when LeBron/Westbrook were both gone. He was about 4.3 FTA the past 15 or so games (think LeBron was around for 3-4 of them) before the 4 game blow up so not much greater than his figures with LeBron/Westbrook.
He's played 30 and then 39 minutes the last two games compared to 28 minutes per for the season, so part of it might be more usage. As well I agree, part is probably just small sample size fluke. But, as well, beyond stats sometimes it helps to watch the games.To my eyes he's simply going to the hoop more than before. Not an immediate response to LBJ's absence, perhaps, but as a younger player acclimating to that gap and stepping into it with more aggression (especially when AD loses aggression, which happens). And beyond that, Reaves simply seems to have figured out (maybe building on what he had in college, no idea there) that Harden-esque "genius" for initiating a touch of contact and getting a ticky tak foul call out of it. Kind of drives me nuts when see far more egregious fouls go uncalled, but it's the way the game is called and Reaves is simply taking advantage.
 

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That was a hack-a-Dwight game, no?
IIRC, there was some hack-a, but it was more "we can't remotely handle this dude and the alternative is a dunk." Dwight was his peak self that year, and the Warriors were woeful. Felt like a fairly "legitimate" 39 fta, as they go.
 

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Remember though that he has a much larger role in the offense now than when LeBron and Westbrook were in the lineup so that 4 FTA/g is deceiving. Reeves is really skilled at drawing contact.
Is it true that the only one that can stop Austin Reaves is a healthy LeBron?

I'm here for the West Coast version of Linsanity
 

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He's played 30 and then 39 minutes the last two games compared to 28 minutes per for the season, so part of it might be more usage. As well I agree, part is probably just small sample size fluke. But, as well, beyond stats sometimes it helps to watch the games.To my eyes he's simply going to the hoop more than before. Not an immediate response to LBJ's absence, perhaps, but as a younger player acclimating to that gap and stepping into it with more aggression (especially when AD loses aggression, which happens). And beyond that, Reaves simply seems to have figured out (maybe building on what he had in college, no idea there) that Harden-esque "genius" for initiating a touch of contact and getting a ticky tak foul call out of it. Kind of drives me nuts when see far more egregious fouls go uncalled, but it's the way the game is called and Reaves is simply taking advantage.
I'm definitely going to pay more attention to Reaves in the upcoming games. He clearly has some skill to get to the line. But in a league whose refs basically required a future star in Jayson Tatum to lose a limb before getting a foul call his first couple of seasons, it's kind of crazy that someone like Austin Reaves can start getting Harden calls in year 2.
 

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I'm definitely going to pay more attention to Reaves in the upcoming games. He clearly has some skill to get to the line. But in a league whose refs basically required a future star in Jayson Tatum to lose a limb before getting a foul call his first couple of seasons, it's kind of crazy that someone like Austin Reaves can start getting Harden calls in year 2.
The MVP chant is classic LA.

6th man/bench scorer is probably his best role since his defense won't get as exposed.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL8yqBHm9Dg
 

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The MVP chant is classic LA.

6th man/bench scorer is probably his best role since his defense won't get as exposed.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL8yqBHm9Dg
Great find. If people don’t want to watch the entire clip about 1/3 through the narrator discusses Reeves “Body Contact” segment including the tidbit of him being 8th in entire league in FTA/Shots at Rim ratio (not our parents stats) over the course of the season.

He’s basically a 6-5 poor man’s Doncic.
 

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Great find. If people don’t want to watch the entire clip about 1/3 through the narrator discusses Reeves “Body Contact” segment including the tidbit of him being 8th in entire league in FTA/Shots at Rim ratio (not our parents stats) over the course of the season.

He’s basically a 6-5 poor man’s Doncic.
Hillbilly Kobe is taking over.

Agreed, I loved that stat also, getting compared to other high-end grifters. I will laugh when the Lakers pay RUI more this summer.