Physical issues definitely there. Hard part is knowing how the physical is impacting the mental. Like, on the last play, he doesn’t even try to secure the ball with 2 hands despite going into a crowd of tacklers. The mental game has left him and when you combine with the physical decline, you’re left with a bad football player. I would be surprised if he ever regularly starts another game after this year.Watching these past few weeks, its apparent that the Patriots getting Newton wasn't some stroke of NE luck (ha!). The physical pounding that Newton has endured over his career has taken a toll. He looked great early on but then he started getting hit again. Now its fairly evident that he just isn't right. To be fair, he also has virtually no real weapons at his disposal but his issues seem injury related.
I would be surprised if any team offers any sort of value for him but someone does, it feels like the move all things considered.
Cam looked much like the pre-Covid Cam in the 2nd half yesterday. If they can get that kind of production both passing and running obviously minus the fumble, I think they should sign him.And you're way too coherent to be late...or something.
Cam is cooked. Tank for Trevor and play the odds that the virus continues to impact the season and/or Lawrence tries to leverage his way away from the Jets.
Oh lord no. In today's NFL you have to be able to push the ball down the field and Cam can barely throw the ball 15 yards. He's also a turnover machine- we know what BB thinks about those- which probably isn't going to improve much at all because he takes about 3.5 seconds to wind up and release the ball and by then everyone in the stadium including the cardboard cut-outs can tell where it's going. He'll be holding clipboards or retired next year.I think they should sign him.
Yeah, there’s long been the notion of a “goal line running back” but Cam strikes me as someone who’d be a great “goal line QB” (the “goal line” moniker obviously also includes short-yardage downs or other obvious running situations where you want an RPO/option type component to keep the D guessing).What would be super interesting would be to keep Cam as a backup (if he was willing). You bring him in like when NO uses Hill. He becomes a ridiculously great wildcat (or direct snap, whichever you want to call it) option, and it's not like he's utterly incapable of throwing a pass. In other words, it's not like direct snapping to Ezekiel Elliott. He would be a nice change-of-pace guy to throw in there, giving you an extra threat, and, if your starter goes down, he's probably not the worst guy you could have as a backup.
I wonder if Cam would like to continue in the NFL if that was his role. Because it probably would be an ideal fit for him.
Except the D can load up to stop the run and the QB has to change the play to a pass.Yeah, there’s long been the notion of a “goal line running back” but Cam strikes me as someone who’d be a great “goal line QB” (the “goal line” moniker obviously also includes short-yardage downs or other obvious running situations where you want an RPO/option type component to keep the D guessing).
QB stats give short shrift to what a running QB brings to the offense, but Cam’s stats are in the same neighborhood as guys like Sam Darnold or Carson Wentz. So while Cam is better than those guys, he’s not good enough to make the Patriots a good team.Out of 33 qualified QBs, Cam ranks 29th in ANY/A, 30th in passer rating and 30th in QBR. The weapons around him are the worst in football, but he's been bad as a quarterback up to this point. This is a 31 year old former MVP, I think way too many people are talking about Cam as if he were a rookie or something. I love the guy and he's in a bad situation for any QB to succeed in, as we saw with Brady last year, but nothing he's done on the field so far makes me want to keep him in the team going forward.
So, did Bentley screw up?
This is how I feel right now. I'm really encouraged by the 2nd half showing by Cam, despite the fumble. The OL sprung Harris loose several times too.Cam looked much like the pre-Covid Cam in the 2nd half yesterday. If they can get that kind of production both passing and running obviously minus the fumble, I think they should sign him.
Of course, BB has seen a lot of him and has decided NOT to do that.I really don’t understand the opinions that state “ I’ve seen enough of Stidham to know ......”. How much of Stidham have we really seen? I know I’ve only seen a little preseason last season and spot appearances during the regular season.
I’d like for Belichik to declare the Cam experiment over - trade/cut him, make Stidham the #1 and let him run with the first team in practice. Play Harris, the rookie TE’s, and Stidham for the rest of the season. Let’s see what we have there, or don’t. Nothing at all to lose.
If he's as bad as it appears, the novelty would wear off quickly.Apparently so. Still, I'd find the rest of the season much more fun to watch with the Stidham and the other kids approach as opposed to the Cam alternative.
Yes, bad games skews the results. Because that's what results are.The recent bed-shitting by Brady against New Orleans skews the numbers, with Brady throwing 3 INTs and Cam none this week. Cam's mechanics (no shoulder turn, happy feet) continue to be a really serious problem.
Ok, if Cam plays well from here on out, would you consider bringing him back next year factoring in no real training camp/preseason games/chance to adapt to the offense/him having COVID?Adding passing, rushing, and sacks, a comparison between Brady and Cam...
- 191 pass att, 69 rushes, 12 sacks
- 1,417 passing, 314 rushing, -66 in sacks
- 2 td passes, 8 td rushes, 7 interceptions, 3 fumbles
So: 272 plays, 1,665 yards, 6.12 yds per play, 10 touchdowns, 10 int/fum
- 346 pass att, 6 rushes, 13 sacks
- 2,398 passing, 2 rushing, -86 in sacks
- 20 td passes, 7 interceptions, 4 fumbles
So: 365 plays, 2,314 yards, 6.34 yds per play, 20 touchdowns, 11 int/fum
Brady's been better, but this is actually closer than I would have thought. And Cam had one game where he just came off the Covid list, having not practiced for two weeks.
Do touchdown passes require people to throw them to? Asking for a friend.It's so hard to evaluate him this year for all the reasons you cited. Obviously he brings certain positive things to the table, and the Pats' running game has been fantastic this year, which is all good. But in today's NFL you can't have a QB who can't throw touchdown passes. It's a major problem.
Is his inability to throw TD's a function of him being limited in that regard is the talent around him limited?It's so hard to evaluate him this year for all the reasons you cited. Obviously he brings certain positive things to the table, and the Pats' running game has been fantastic this year, which is all good. But in today's NFL you can't have a QB who can't throw touchdown passes. It's a major problem.
Did you see how wide open Meyers was last game on a deep ball? Wide. Open. And Newton missed him by five yards. Easy touchdown.
If you’re talking about the post pattern to the left side where he overthrew Meyers I thought Griese or the other color guy (Riddick?) explained it well.Did you see how wide open Meyers was last game on a deep ball? Wide. Open. And Newton missed him by five yards. Easy touchdown.
Earlier in the season, Byrd was open down the left sideline (can't remember what game it was). Newton missed him. Easy touchdown.
I don't expect him to have 20 touchdown passes with this crew.
I do expect him to have more then..... TWO.
One thing to keep in mind is that in college sacks count as negative rushing yards for the QB. The YPC don't really say anything about his running abilities.I really have no idea where to put this...but can someone explain how Steve Grogan was ever drafted? (5th round, 116 overall in 1975).
He seems to have been a 2 year starter (and got some burn in his sophomore year). But his final 2 years went like this...
1973- 5-6. 72/164 (43.9%), 1050 yards (6.4 YPA) 4 TD/15 INT (!!!!!!!) Rushed for 372 yards on 188 attempts (2 YPC), 5 TDs.
1974- 4-7. 67/144 (46.5%), 834 yards (5.8 YPA) 6 TD/6 INT. Rushed for 214 yards on 117 attempts (1.8 YPC), 1 TD.
I mean, I understand that the game was different, but that looks like maybe the worst QB stats I have seen on someone who kept his job for a full season. What am I missing?