Must not be a very big contract, TB is pretty close to capped out per Spotrac numbers. But maybe they will be making other moves.
If I’m a 25 year-old RB, I’m not leaving any money on the table but the opportunity is obviously great.Big potential reward at minimal cost. Per Rapoport: 1-year deal worth a max value of $3.5M, source said. He gets a $2M base salary and incentives are based on rush yards & play-time. Plus, with no off-sets from his #Jaguars deal, Fournette can double dip if he wins his grievance & add $4.2M.
That's about as good a set of skill position players as you're gonna find. Brady must be looking at this compared to last year and think he's gone to heaven.If I’m a 25 year-old RB, I’m not leaving any money on the table but the opportunity is obviously great.
Brady
Fournette
Evans
Godwin
Gronk
Howard
I mean...goodnight. OL or a sharp Brady decline is only thing stopping that train.
We know that lesson all too well. If I’m opposing DCs, I’m bringing the heat on a 43 year-old QB and seeing if he is still processing reads as quickly as he did in NE.A shaky OL in front of a pocket QB could be the equivalent of a defective transmission in a Porsche.
The interior OL in TB is really good. Tackles are a bit more of a question mark, but they used a first on Wirfs and Brady makes them look better anyway. He's had worse OLs in NE.A shaky OL in front of a pocket QB could be the equivalent of a defective transmission in a Porsche.
Good for him. Now shank some kicks, Gost.Gost signed in Tennessee. Homecoming for him.
Random thought: Though I obviously hate the circumstances, I'm completely not missing pre-season games, or the same level of incessant camp coverage we normally get this time of year. It's actually increasing my anticipation for week 1. Whenever things return to something resembling normal, I really hope pre-season games become a permanent thing of the past. Joint practices, controlled scrimmages, etc. really ought to be enough to prepare and make roster decisions. One of the things that has somewhat turned me off on the NFL in recent years, is just the 24/7/365 relentless hype of it. Having a little less of that has been an unintended, good consequence of this sports year for me.
Happy for him. Wish him much FG and XP success, except against the Pats.Gost signed in Tennessee. Homecoming for him.
Have to give Tampa credit, it's become quite a sports town, they could realistically end up with three championships this year in hockey, baseball and football.If I’m a 25 year-old RB, I’m not leaving any money on the table but the opportunity is obviously great.
Brady
Fournette
Evans
Godwin
Gronk
Howard
I mean...goodnight. OL or a sharp Brady decline is only thing stopping that train.
Yup. Really under the radar too since they have such poor fan support.Have to give Tampa credit, it's become quite a sports town, they could realistically end up with three championships this year in hockey, baseball and football.
Pretty amazing.
I know they draw more flies than people for the Rays, but isn't that more to do with the stadium they play in and where it's located?Yup. Really under the radar too since they have such poor fan support.
The Lightning drew the 5th most fans per game this year in the entire league, at 18,922 (99.7% capacity).I know they draw more flies than people for the Rays, but isn't that more to do with the stadium they play in and where it's located?
Do the Lightning and Bucs draw well, I'm really not sure?
It's way harder to win with a "super team" in the NFL. Tampa might end up being great. Or they might not be. Lots of really good teams in the NFC for them to contend with, and if they get through all that, likely have Baltimore or Kansas City to deal with in the Super Bowl.I’m not enjoying the NBA super teaming of the NFL.
How do you feel about tanking for Trevaaah?I’m not enjoying the NBA super teaming of the NFL.
Thanks for the information; any idea how ticket sales were going for the Bucs after they signed Brady pre COVID?The Lightning drew the 5th most fans per game this year in the entire league, at 18,922 (99.7% capacity).
The Bucs drew 51,898 fans per game in 2019 (79.1% capacity), which put them at #30 in the league.
Makes sense, since the Lightning were really good and the Bucs weren't. The Rays definitely have a crap stadium and it's in St. Pete, not Tampa.
My moral code follows the TB12 Method, so I’m ok with things that benefit my team, but I always thought BB was anti-tanking because it instills a loser’s mentality that’s hard to shake.How do you feel about tanking for Trevaaah?
Not sure he’s even better than Stidham at this point.espn: Dolphins trying to trade Josh Rosen
We just saw this with the Rams. That team looked virtually unbeatable on paper in 2018, but they lost to the Pats in a weird, defense-heavy SB, took a step back last year, and are likely to take another step back this year thanks to their cap situation, among other things.It's way harder to win with a "super team" in the NFL. Tampa might end up being great. Or they might not be. Lots of really good teams in the NFC for them to contend with, and if they get through all that, likely have Baltimore or Kansas City to deal with in the Super Bowl.
No idea. I just looked up the info on ESPN.com. I gotta believe they were on track to sell a lot more tickets. If nothing else, that team is going to be very fun to watch.Thanks for the information; any idea how ticket sales were going for the Bucs after they signed Brady pre COVID?
But if no one sees it, Is it really tanking?My moral code follows the TB12 Method, so I’m ok with things that benefit my team, but I always thought BB was anti-tanking because it instills a loser’s mentality that’s hard to shake.
The Rams were certainly on paper, but mostly home grown or trades weren’t they?We just saw this with the Rams. That team looked virtually unbeatable on paper in 2018, but they lost to the Pats in a weird, defense-heavy SB, took a step back last year, and are likely to take another step back this year thanks to their cap situation, among other things.
I highly doubt TB will be bad, but that's far from a guarantee they'll be a shoo-in for the Super Bowl, and Tampa's cap situation is such that it will probably be pretty hard to improve the team much more during their Brady era if things don't work exactly as hoped.
Season ticket requests were sky high after the Brady announcement.Thanks for the information; any idea how ticket sales were going for the Bucs after they signed Brady pre COVID?
Fournette is very good when healthy. He had 1700 yards from scrimmage on a team with no QB and mediocre WRs. Now, he gets the GOAT, Evans/Godwin, Gronk/Howard/Brate, etc. to create opportunities for him.I think people are getting a little carried away with this super team talk.
Fournette was a guy that just got cut and that any team could have had with a $4M salary for a 7th rounder.
I think he's a decent RB, depending on potential attitude issues, but it's not a like the guy had a large bidding war and then signed for the vet minimum to chase a ring.
Apparently most teams either disagree or don't think he's healthy.Fournette is very good when healthy
I think it’s more that most teams don’t need RBs. Agree that this hasn’t been a super team grouping like in NBA but is when you look at the skill position guys. They have Pro Bowl level talent across the board.Apparently most teams either disagree or don't think he's healthy.
Most of those guys were there pre-Brady, I was mainly referring to the comparison to NBA teams and guys signing cheap deals just to chase a ring.
6 to 12 wins is way too big of a spread for a normal season imo. Last year they went 7-9 with largely the same group and Winston turning the ball over at a record pace. The advanced stat and scouting communities loved their defense with the exception that their secondary is only average at best and they rely a lot on getting pressure from their front 7 which is elite and could get even better as their rookie contract guys improve.The Bucs are largely a stars-and-scrubs sort of team - lots of marquee skill-position players people have heard of, and a lot of weak spots in positions that the average fan pays much less attention to. Their realistic range in a normal season might easily run anywhere from 6 to 12 wins. (This not being a normal season, who knows?)
The stars-and-scrubs model can work, of course. But I'm not ready to crown them in the NFC South, let alone the NFL as a whole.
Terrific weapons with a questionable O line demands that you attack the O line, doesn't it, whether or not the QB has lost anything. Doesn't mean you call jail break blitzes down after down but you do something almost every down.We know that lesson all too well. If I’m opposing DCs, I’m bringing the heat on a 43 year-old QB and seeing if he is still processing reads as quickly as he did in NE.
If you want to switch the bet around, sure. But I'd take the under on 9.5 wins - I think it's possible that everything clicks and Brady looks revived and the Bucs become an offensive juggernaut, but I think it's much more likely that they struggle to gel following this weird offseason and they are on everyone's list of disappointments at the end of the year. So we're on the same side here.@Conigliaro's Potential friendly charity bet? Since you proposed 6-12 wins as your outcome if they win 6, 7, 8, or 9 games I will donate $25 to the charity of your picking. If they win 10, 11 or 12 you donate $25 to the ACLU or United Negro College fund (UNCF) - your choice.
I am on the over - I think they will win the SB this year. My top 3 teams are Chiefs, Ravens, and Bucs. I like GB, NO, SF, SEA, and DAL just below them. I will take the over. You take the under. Loser has to be the one to make the donation. Winner picks where they donate to or gives the loser a choice of charities. Mine are the United Negro College Fund and the ACLU.If you want to switch the bet around, sure. But I'd take the under on 9.5 wins - I think it's possible that everything clicks and Brady looks revived and the Bucs become an offensive juggernaut, but I think it's much more likely that they struggle to gel following this weird offseason and they are on everyone's list of disappointments at the end of the year. So we're on the same side here.
1) Yes if they win more than 9.5 I win and if they win less than 9.5 (say 4 games for example) you win.Oh, I read your post backwards - sorry about that! So yeah, I'll take the bet...which means now I have multiple reasons to root against the Bucs this year.
Two points of clarification:
1) Obviously if they win more than 12 games you still win the bet, and vice versa if they win fewer than 6 games.
2) If the season is shortened so that Tampa Bay plays fewer than 16 games in total, the bet is null and void.
Agreed?
Yes, that works for me.2) With the exception that if the season is like 13 games and they go 11-2 I still win the bet or if the season is 13 games (just an example) and they go 2-11 you win the bet. You know what I am saying? If they either exceed 9.5 wins in a shortened season or if the season ends and even if they won all the games they canceled they still wouldn't break 9.5 wins you win.