2019 TB12: Everyday Is Like Sunday

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I get the thrill of proximity to a hero. I spoke to Wilt for about 5 minutes, and Lebron for 45 seconds, and both events are imprinted on my memory for ever.

A friend of mine knew a security guard at Maple Leaf gardens and got to see the Orr and Espo's gear hanging in the locker room and Gary Doak told him to get the F out. Still envious.
I was a varsity athlete at Brandeis in the early 90's where the Celts (and the visiting clubs) practice which was a great way to meet them all. My pole vault pit was right beside the court ... they all thought I was crazy flinging myself into the air. Downside was when Reggie Lewis died there my sophomore year and the media half-blamed the school.

I'm gonna say Ed Pinckney was my favorite, he'd come up to the other gyms and play pick-up with us amateurs and joke around.
 

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It's crazy that when Brady was injured, he was only on his 8th season. It was something that no one thought he would be effective coming back from...

And yet...11 years later, still going as strong as ever.

Insanity.
 

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I had some spare time, so I decided to compile Brady's record against other QB's in the league during his career. Granted, the "head-to-head" record is a bit misleading, as the opposing QB's are never on the field at the same time. However, I'd thought it would be interesting just to see whom has shaken Brady's hand before heading back to the locker room in defeat.

While compiling this record, I gave Brady half-credit for his win against Kordell Stewart and the Steelers in the AFCCG, as Bledsoe came in and threw 3 more passes, 1 more TD pass, but 2 fewer completions. Similarly, I gave Matt Cassel the win in the game in which Brady was injured (as a side note, both starting QB's were injured that game), so neither Brodie Croyle's nor Damon Huard's only game against Brady and the Patriots is counted in the below. I also ignored Brady's cameo against the Lions in 2000, and the Mo Lewis game in which Bledsoe got injured late.

Brady has faced 116 QB's in his career, with a strong likelihood of facing 117 on Thursday. If all goes according to plan (i.e., no injuries), Brady will face Daniel Jones, Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, Carson Wentz, Dak Prescott, and possibly Josh Rosen (as a starter) this season for the first time, which would bring his total to 122. I honestly don't know where this fits all time.

Of those 116, all but 6 have lost to Brady at least once: Jake Plummer (3-0 against Brady), Brian Griese (2-0), Cam Newton (2-0), Patrick Ramsey, Kevin Kolb, and Nick Foles (the latter 3 won their single start against Brady). There are 5 more with a winning record against Brady: Drew Brees and Eli Manning (3-2 each); Alex Smith, Kyle Orton, and Russell Wilson (2-1 each). Again, I don't know where the 110 QB's that Brady has beaten at least once ranks all time.

Among these 11 QB's, only 6 are active, and the records against 5 are unlikely to change. The Pats play Seattle in 2020, so Brady may get another shot at Wilson, whom he has yet to beat during the regular season. But, barring playoffs, the Pats don't play either the Panthers or Saints until 2021. Nick Foles is a backup once again, Eli Manning is likely done, and Alex Smith is unlikely to play again.

There are 11 more with a 0.500 record against Brady: AJ Feeley, Aaron Rodgers, Colin Kaepernick, Colt McCoy (!), Gus Frerotte (!!), Jake Delhomme, Kurt Warner, Matt Stafford, Rich Gannon, Sam Bradford, and Marcus Marriotta (I did not count the one playoff game in which Marriotta got hurt early on; I credited that one to Zach Mettenberger). All 11 are 1-1 lifetime against Brady.

On the other side, there are 74 QB's that have never beaten Brady in their careers. Philip Rivers owns the futility award, going 0-8 against Brady. Andrew Luck was 0-6, Tyrod Taylor 0-5, and Carson Palmer, JP Losman, Matt Moore, and Matt Ryan are 0-4 each.

Peyton Manning (ha-ha!) has the most career losses against Brady with 11, followed by Ryan Fitzpatrick with 10, Ben Roethlisberger with 9, Rivers with 8, Ryan Tannehill and Chad Pennington with 7 each, and Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez, and Luck with 6 each.

Peyton Manning also owns the most career wins against Brady with 6. He is followed by Ryan Tannehill with 4, six more with 3 each (Flacco, Sanchez, Brees, Eli, Plummer) and 8 more with 2 each (Fitzpatrick, Pennington, Jay Fiedler, Alex Smith, Kyle Orton (!), Wilson, Griese, and Newton), and 26 with one win against Brady.

Also, Brady's record against QB's first names:

Alex: 2-2
Andrew/Andy: 8-1
Brian: 1-2
Chad: 11-3 (Henne & Pennington)
Chris: 3-0 (take that Chris Sims)
David: 4-0
Derek: 5-0
Drew: 6-4
Jake: 2-3
Jay: 7-3
Josh: 7-0
Kyle: 2-3
Matt: 15-2 (7 qb's)
Ryan: 17-11 (Fitzpatrick and Tannehill, but no Mallet)
Tim: 3-0
Tyler: 2-0
Vince/Vinny: 5-0

Record against former or future teammates: 9-1
- Brian Hoyer: 1-0
- Drew Bledsoe: 4-1
- Matt Cassel: 1-0
- Vinny Testaverde: 3-0
This is terrific, thanks for putting it together
 

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I had some spare time, so I decided to compile Brady's record against other QB's in the league during his career. Granted, the "head-to-head" record is a bit misleading, as the opposing QB's are never on the field at the same time. However, I'd thought it would be interesting just to see whom has shaken Brady's hand before heading back to the locker room in defeat.

While compiling this record, I gave Brady half-credit for his win against Kordell Stewart and the Steelers in the AFCCG, as Bledsoe came in and threw 3 more passes, 1 more TD pass, but 2 fewer completions. Similarly, I gave Matt Cassel the win in the game in which Brady was injured (as a side note, both starting QB's were injured that game), so neither Brodie Croyle's nor Damon Huard's only game against Brady and the Patriots is counted in the below. I also ignored Brady's cameo against the Lions in 2000, and the Mo Lewis game in which Bledsoe got injured late.

Brady has faced 116 QB's in his career, with a strong likelihood of facing 117 on Thursday. If all goes according to plan (i.e., no injuries), Brady will face Daniel Jones, Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, Carson Wentz, Dak Prescott, and possibly Josh Rosen (as a starter) this season for the first time, which would bring his total to 122. I honestly don't know where this fits all time.

Of those 116, all but 6 have lost to Brady at least once: Jake Plummer (3-0 against Brady), Brian Griese (2-0), Cam Newton (2-0), Patrick Ramsey, Kevin Kolb, and Nick Foles (the latter 3 won their single start against Brady). There are 5 more with a winning record against Brady: Drew Brees and Eli Manning (3-2 each); Alex Smith, Kyle Orton, and Russell Wilson (2-1 each). Again, I don't know where the 110 QB's that Brady has beaten at least once ranks all time.

Among these 11 QB's, only 6 are active, and the records against 5 are unlikely to change. The Pats play Seattle in 2020, so Brady may get another shot at Wilson, whom he has yet to beat during the regular season. But, barring playoffs, the Pats don't play either the Panthers or Saints until 2021. Nick Foles is a backup once again, Eli Manning is likely done, and Alex Smith is unlikely to play again.

There are 11 more with a 0.500 record against Brady: AJ Feeley, Aaron Rodgers, Colin Kaepernick, Colt McCoy (!), Gus Frerotte (!!), Jake Delhomme, Kurt Warner, Matt Stafford, Rich Gannon, Sam Bradford, and Marcus Marriotta (I did not count the one playoff game in which Marriotta got hurt early on; I credited that one to Zach Mettenberger). All 11 are 1-1 lifetime against Brady.

On the other side, there are 74 QB's that have never beaten Brady in their careers. Philip Rivers owns the futility award, going 0-8 against Brady. Andrew Luck was 0-6, Tyrod Taylor 0-5, and Carson Palmer, JP Losman, Matt Moore, and Matt Ryan are 0-4 each.

Peyton Manning (ha-ha!) has the most career losses against Brady with 11, followed by Ryan Fitzpatrick with 10, Ben Roethlisberger with 9, Rivers with 8, Ryan Tannehill and Chad Pennington with 7 each, and Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez, and Luck with 6 each.

Peyton Manning also owns the most career wins against Brady with 6. He is followed by Ryan Tannehill with 4, six more with 3 each (Flacco, Sanchez, Brees, Eli, Plummer) and 8 more with 2 each (Fitzpatrick, Pennington, Jay Fiedler, Alex Smith, Kyle Orton (!), Wilson, Griese, and Newton), and 26 with one win against Brady.

Also, Brady's record against QB's first names:

Alex: 2-2
Andrew/Andy: 8-1
Brian: 1-2
Chad: 11-3 (Henne & Pennington)
Chris: 3-0 (take that Chris Sims)
David: 4-0
Derek: 5-0
Drew: 6-4
Jake: 2-3
Jay: 7-3
Josh: 7-0
Kyle: 2-3
Matt: 15-2 (7 qb's)
Ryan: 17-11 (Fitzpatrick and Tannehill, but no Mallet)
Tim: 3-0
Tyler: 2-0
Vince/Vinny: 5-0

Record against former or future teammates: 9-1
- Brian Hoyer: 1-0
- Drew Bledsoe: 4-1
- Matt Cassel: 1-0
- Vinny Testaverde: 3-0
This is awesome---thank you.

A fun potential addition? His record against the "Brady 6" picked before him:

Chad Pennington
Giovanni Carmazzi (0-0)
Chris Redman
Tee Martin
Marc Bulger
Spergon Wynn
 

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When I see Plummer (3-0) and Griese (2-0) all I can think is man, fuck Denver.
I saw this post and my first reaction was that it couldn't be true, because of the Monday Night Football intentional safety game in 2003.

I forgot that Plummer was injured and that Danny Kannell started that game. Kannell was actually the Broncos' third string QB, as Steve Beuerlein had also gotten injured. That would be the same Steve Beuerlein whom was drafted in 1987.

And then I thought, I wonder what year was the oldest that had a draftee whose career overlapped with Brady's. As far as I can tell, the answer is 1980. The player is Eddie Murray, the longtime Detroit Lions kicker, whom was drafted in the 7th round of the 1980 draft. His final season was 2000, where he finished the season kicking for Washington.

Fun fact: Deion Sanders actually played his final NFL season on that same 2000 Washington team.

When it's all said and done, the list of players whose careers overlapped with Brady's, at one point or another, is going to be absolutely mind blowing.
 

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I can’t believe they trailed a Danny Kannell team. Didn’t Deltha O’Neal return a punt for a TD for the Broncos in that game? Shit always goes wrong in Denver. That’s what made the finish of that game so miraculous.

Apropos of nothing, I believe BB wore a red hoodie that game. We all know another game where he did too. Sigh.
 

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This is awesome---thank you.

A fun potential addition? His record against the "Brady 6" picked before him:
Chad Pennington: 7-2 *
Giovanni Carmazzi (0-0)
Chris Redman: 0-0 [Never faced the Pats]
Tee Martin: 0-0 [Was on the bench during the Pats AFCCG win in 2002]
Marc Bulger: 1-0
Spergon Wynn: 0-0 [Never faced the Pats]

Overall record: 8-2

* - Pennington had 3 career wins against the Pats:

1.) Late 2002. Brady had one of his worst games (57.6 rating), while Curtis Martin gashed the porous Pats defense for 106 yards.

2.) A 17-14 victory by Eric Mangini's Jets in 2006 in which Mike Nugent's FG was the difference.

3.) The infamous Wildcat game in Foxboro after Pennington had joined the Dolphins. Matt Cassel was the Pats starting QB.

As an unrelated aside, Brady is 3-2 against current members of the NFL HoF: 2-1 against Favre, and 1-1 against Kurt Warner
 

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Off the top of my head Ed Reed, Ladanian Tomlinson and Brian Urlacher all came into the league after Brady and are in the Hall of Fame. If Brady plays a couple more years he’ll see guys like Troy polomalu and Megatron get in. Maybe Seymour? These guys started after Brady and have been retired for 5 freakin’ years while he’s still putting up numbers and winning super bowls.
 

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Just missed Aikman and Elway and Marino and Moon. Surprising how few guys who retired in the first decade of this century made the Hall.
The top QB's in the early part of the 2000's were either guys that were on the cusp of the Hall (McNair, Donovan McNabb), or guys that had short periods of brilliance surrounded by mediocrity or injury (Marc Bulger, Culpepper, Trent Green, Jake Delhomme).

Or were part of the group consisting of Peyton (17 years), Eli (16), Ben (16), Rivers (16), and Brees (19) [Yes, I do acknowledge Eli isn't really in the same league, but he may very well get in]. Add in Tony Romo (13), who may very well sniff the Hall as well, and Aaron Rodgers (15), and you have a remarkable cohort of QB's that were really good for a very long time. Brady's record against this group: 35-16 for a 0.686 winning percentage.

Finally, just for yips, took a quick look at the QB's selected highest in the draft in the years since Brady's been in the league (including 2000), and which also helps explain some of this anomaly:

Pennington: 7-2
Michael Vick: 0-0. [Vick did go 2-9 in a game started by Chris Chandler] [Brees was taken #32]
David Carr: 1-0. [Josh McCown is still active and leads that QB class in total yards]
Carson Palmer: 4-0. [Leftwich, Boller, and Rex Grossman followed]
Eli Manning: 2-3. [Rivers, Roethlisberger, and Schaub are still active]
Alex Smith: 1-2 [Aaron Rodgers and Ryan Fitzpatrick are still active. Matt Cassel just retired].
Vince Young: 2-0 [Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler followed]
JaMarcus Russell: 0-0. [Followed by notables such as Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, John Beck and Drew Stanton.]
Matt Ryan: 4-0. [Joe Flacco and Chad Henne are still active, but probably not much longer]
Matt Stafford: 1-1. [Mark Sanchez went #5]
Sam Bradford: 1-1. [The one remaining active QB from that draft is Colt McCoy!!]
Cam Newton: 0-2. [Jake Locker is gone, but Blaine Gabbert and Andy Dalton are still active]
Andrew Luck: 6-0. [A solid QB class that had RG3, Ryan Tannehill, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, and Kirk Cousins]
EJ Manuel (!!): 1-0. [A counterweight to the 2012 draft class, as Geno Smith leads all QB's in passing yards with 6000]
Blake Bortles: 2-1. [Jimmy G!!]
Jameis Winston: 1-0. [Mariota went #2]
Jared Goff: 2-0. [Wentz, Prescott, and possibly Brissett make this an interesting class to watch going forward]
Mitchell Trubisky: 1-0. [How the hell did Mahomes slide to #10? Add in Deshaun Watson and the 2015 class and you have the core of the next gen cohort]
Baker Mayfield: 0-0. [3 QB's from this draft are in the AFC East. All of them picked in the first round. And we'll see Lamar Jackson later on]
Kyler Murray: 0-0

Overall record: 37-12 (0.755). Also, does anyone still think tanking in the NFL is such a good strategy?
 

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Off the top of my head Ed Reed, Ladanian Tomlinson and Brian Urlacher all came into the league after Brady and are in the Hall of Fame. If Brady plays a couple more years he’ll see guys like Troy polomalu and Megatron get in. Maybe Seymour? These guys started after Brady and have been retired for 5 freakin’ years while he’s still putting up numbers and winning super bowls.
Did a quick lookup: Urlacher entered the same year as Brady. But those are the three. Champ Bailey was one year earlier.

2020 HOF class first ballot candidates: Troy Polamalu (2003 draft class), Reggie Wayne (2001 class), Patrick Willis (2007 class)
2021 candidates: Jared Allen(2004), Logan Mankins(2005), Calvin Johnson(2007), Demarcus Ware (2005)

2021 might be a tough class to break into in the first round as it also features Peyton Manning and Charles Woodson who were in the league before Brady.
 

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Then they should look at that list of QB's above. They are as likely to end up with the 2nd coming of Blake Bortles than they are with Cam Newton. Then again, I don't buy the counterarguments.
Dolphins are likely to trade their top pick unless they really believe in one of the QB prospects. I am all in (?) on what Miami is doing.
 

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Dolphins are likely to trade their top pick unless they really believe in one of the QB prospects. I am all in (?) on what Miami is doing.
Why?

Tanking is great in basketball, I'm much more skeptical in football, where there are 22 starters rather than 5. The best one-year turnarounds IMO come from teams trying to get better, not trying to get worse.
 

SeoulSoxFan

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Veering from the topic of the thread but...

...if you've been mired in a funk ever since 2000 (which was the last time Phins got to & won a Wildcard game), wouldn't you take an unconventional route to nuke-start your franchise?

If Miami believes Tua is indeed someone they can bank on (as much as, say, Murray) then draft him with the #1 pick, assuming they do end up with the worst record. Otherwise, why wouldn't you trade back and shore up your OL with someone like Walker Little and grab Fromm later in the 1st round?

With the trove of picks that Dolphins FO has amassed, along with well over $100m in cap space (breakdown), it seems they can quickly upgrade in a whole lot of positions.
 

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To me it seems that if they have that boatload of picks, there's no need to trade back for more. Draft Tua #1 if that's where they end up and use all those picks to surround him.