I'm not sure "good majority" is anywhere close to fair.He was alluding to the fact that a good majority of Pats Nation wanted Gost gone ASAP, injury or no injury.
I'm not sure "good majority" is anywhere close to fair.He was alluding to the fact that a good majority of Pats Nation wanted Gost gone ASAP, injury or no injury.
Just to circle back to this, they do get some cap relief here that will help partially offset what they have to pay a new kicker, but it won't be realized until next year.Does Ghost to IR free up cap space (assuming they sign a replacement whose salary’s is a fraction of his, which is a pretty safe assumption )?
I’ll definitely be in the corner staring at the wall during field goal attempts if he kicks for the Patriots.
Fair point. I figured since he was doing kickoff, they would have an idea of his placekicking abilities. But game conditions are a different animal.We would downgrade our punting and likely our PK from a league average guy because in-season is no way to figure out of the kid that PK'd in HS can still do it.
Maybe. But that would entail finding another holder, which is usually the backup QB. In-season is no way to figure out if Stidham can be a good holder. Even finding an accurate placekicker without great range and using Bailey for long kicks doesn't make sense because that would require a second holder for when Bailey was kicking. I can't see that.And, if he could PK, wouldn't it be more like BB to simply have him do both and save a roster spot?
#12 has shown that he can be serviceable as a holder.But that would entail finding another holder, which is usually the backup QB. In-season is no way to figure out if Stidham can be a good holder.
I remember that video. Be cool to see him get a shot.They’re also having Josh Gable in for a workout as well. They previously had him in at minicamp in 2017.
View: https://youtu.be/ZcdSCdOvtbs
Drop kick potentialThey’re also having Josh Gable in for a workout as well. They previously had him in at minicamp in 2017.
Bailey wanted to do kickoffs in the preseason, but his college numbers, 173 touchbacks in 291 kickoffs, 59%, would put him in the lowest quartile of touchbacks in the NFL. It obviously doesn't factor the returners taking the ball out of the end zone or the higher kicking tee in college, but he has stated that his ideal kick-off would "like a 4.3(-second) hang time 2 yards deep in the end zone, right on the numbers” between the sideline and the hashmarks," to entice a returner to try and return the ball. One would also assume that if he could kick off better than Ghost, particularly an injured Ghost, he would have been doing it. He also needed to work on his holding, so maybe BB decided that punting and holding were enough for him to handle this year.Bailey should do the kickoffs as well as punting (he is able) and someone that comes in can just focus on making field goals.
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Those include college numbers right?
Looks like in 2018, the average FG kicker made 96% of kicks that were 39 yards or less, 76% of kicks from 40-49 yards, and 63% of kicks 50 yards or longer (note that there are some sample size issues in that final category):A FG kicker that is consistent and accurate inside the 40 may be just what this team needs considering it’s dominant defense and Bailey. Anything outside the 40 may be four down territory or pin them deep with Bailey.
I'm glad the Patriots got a look at so many other kickers. I doubt Nugent has a stranglehold on the position.
I'm guessing the years Nugent spent kicking outside in NY and Cincy may have given him the edge. And he was OK the past 2 seasons.Of all the names Ive heard Nugent was probably the one that I was least excited about. Oh well.
The KooKoo Train is... waiting at the depot and ready to take over.
He's not exactly what the doctor ordered but I'll take it for now.I'm glad the Patriots got a look at so many other kickers. I doubt Nugent has a stranglehold on the position.
How is he on kickoffs?The KooKoo Train is... waiting at the depot and ready to take over.
Who would hold in that case? I don’t imagine Nugent has done much holding in his career.I think I read that Bailey made some over 50 kicks in college but I can’t see where I saw it. Given Nugent’s fairly weak (for a pro kicker) leg, I wonder if there is thought of using Bailey for over 50s.
Looking through his game logs:How is he on kickoffs?
It's a dog-eat-dog competition for roster spots out there.I'm glad the Patriots got a look at so many other kickers. I doubt Nugent has a stranglehold on the position.
"The stakes are high and so am I" - NugeI'm glad the Patriots got a look at so many other kickers. I doubt Nugent has a stranglehold on the position.
Bailey's college stats don't show any FG or XPt attempts.I think I read that Bailey made some over 50 kicks in college but I can’t see where I saw it. Given Nugent’s fairly weak (for a pro kicker) leg, I wonder if there is thought of using Bailey for over 50s.
I found it. It's his Stanford bio page but I misread it. It's talking about his field goal kicking as a senior in high school not in college. It says he made 12 of 16, including three over 50 and that he was the Stanford emergency kicker but you're right he never kicked there, it appears.
I was thinking like you, that he had some attempts in college.I found it. It's his Stanford bio page but I misread it. It's talking about his field goal kicking as a senior in high school not in college. It says he made 12 of 16, including three over 50 and that he was the Stanford emergency kicker but you're right he never kicked there, it appears.
https://gostanford.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7533
Why is this in the Ghost injury thread?Brad Kelly was reasonably high on him:
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/sleeper-alert-samford-wr-kelvin-mcknight-showcasing-nfl-traits
"When you accumulate McKnight’s numbers against Mississippi State, Georgia, and Florida State over the last three seasons, he’s had 34 receptions, 388 yards, and 4 touchdowns." 14 for 215 and 2 against Florida State.
Because talking about options to replace Ghost are a legitimate topic of discussion for this threadWhy is this in the Ghost injury thread?
Not sure where the discrepancy is. He had one bad game, on the shitty SD field, where he went 1 of 3. Which is what SoSH and Howe said.So I am seeing the Koo stats above-- where it was just one bad game. Yet from Jeff Howe in the Atlantic, he writes:
14. Koo’s only action came with the Chargers in 2017 when he was 3 of 6 on field goals, including 1 of 4 from 40-49 yards and 2 of 2 on kicks of 29 yards or less. He made all nine extra points in four games. He was ultimately released for Nick Novak.
So either Howe is wrong, or SoSH is. And, if I were a wagering individual, I would place my bets on the incorrect person being the one that rhymes with "cow" not "Josh"
Except it was an article about a practice squad wide receiver.Because talking about options to replace Ghost are a legitimate topic of discussion for this thread
Otherwise this thread would be ... Ghost is injured ... he had surgery ... he's out for the season ... close the thread
Ah, thanks, I thought he quoted the Bailey articleExcept it was an article about a practice squad wide receiver.
Sorry-- I guess it comes in the framing... or to quote "Archer" --- 'Phrasing!'Not sure where the discrepancy is. He had one bad game, on the shitty SD field, where he went 1 of 3. Which is what SoSH and Howe said.
Rich Hill:3 of 6 on field goals, including 1 of 4 from 40-49 yards and 2 of 2 on kicks of 29 yards or less. He made all nine extra points in four games. He was ultimately released for Nick Novak.
So their are different denominators for the stats, at the least.Younghoe Koo field goals since 2016:
- 36/40, including one blocked and one miss from 54-yards.
- 31/31 on field goals inside 40 yards.
- 4/6 on non-blocked kicks from 40-49
- 1/2 from 50+
One includes college stats. In 2016 he was at Georgia Southern. In 2017, he played 4 games for the Chargers.Sorry-- I guess it comes in the framing... or to quote "Archer" --- 'Phrasing!'
Howe: 3 of 6 on field goals, including 1 of 4 from 40-49 yards and 2 of 2 on kicks of 29 yards or less. He made all nine extra points in four games. He was ultimately released for Nick Novak.
Rich Hill:
Younghoe Koo field goals since 2016:
- 36/40, including one blocked and one miss from 54-yards.
- 31/31 on field goals inside 40 yards.
- 4/6 on non-blocked kicks from 40-49
- 1/2 from 50+
So their are different denominators for the stats, at the least.
He missed a game tying 44 yard FG in Denver during the opening game of 2017. The hot take narrative being spouted on 98.5 and 93.7 right now is that he single-handedly destroyed the Chargers season during those first 2 games.So I am seeing the Koo stats above-- where it was just one bad game. Yet from Jeff Howe in the Atlantic, he writes:
14. Koo’s only action came with the Chargers in 2017 when he was 3 of 6 on field goals, including 1 of 4 from 40-49 yards and 2 of 2 on kicks of 29 yards or less. He made all nine extra points in four games. He was ultimately released for Nick Novak.
So either Howe is wrong, or SoSH is. And, if I were a wagering individual, I would place my bets on the incorrect person being the one that rhymes with "cow" not "Josh"