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At $515,000 per game I think if Sanders comes it would have to be pretty much after game 8. If he's still available at that point I think a 6th gets it done. Unlikely he'd contribute much until after the bye. $4.1 million is an awful lot for the Patriots to pay for 7 games but I guess you do what you have to do. Hopefully, it turns out to be more like 10 games.
 

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At $515,000 per game I think if Sanders comes it would have to be pretty much after game 8. If he's still available at that point I think a 6th gets it done. Unlikely he'd contribute much until after the bye. $4.1 million is an awful lot for the Patriots to pay for 7 games but I guess you do what you have to do. Hopefully, it turns out to be more like 10 games.
Short extension, or asking Denver to convert salary to bonus and upping the draft pick works too.
 

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For the people much more knowledgeable than me.......what position would have more of a chance at coming in mid season and making a solid contribution? WR or OL? Take a risk that someone like Sanders or Diggs might have trouble with the playbook or gaining TB's trust? Or trust that Scar can make something work no matter who he gets. I agree with most that OL seems to be much more of a need at the moment. But the chance at getting Diggs might be too hard to pass up.
 

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Short extension, or asking Denver to convert salary to bonus and upping the draft pick works too.
I think they can only trade and extend if they have enough cap space to fit the existing contract at the time of the trade. So, they'd need to clear $2 million to do that right now. If you find some other way to clear $2 million then at that point would you even bother extending? You've already made the space some other way, right?

I hate the idea of trading draft capital for cap space. Even jumping from a 6 to a 5 is pretty significant. I think the motivation for Denver to do the deal anyway is to get $4 to $5 million off their books in what looks like a lost year. If they can get a draft pick too, great. If you start asking them to give away some of that cap savings I'm not sure it still makes sense, or at least the cost to do it gets too high.

Maybe you give a 5th since Sanders will presumably draw one back if he signs as a free agent somewhere else next year.
 

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For the people much more knowledgeable than me.......what position would have more of a chance at coming in mid season and making a solid contribution? WR or OL? Take a risk that someone like Sanders or Diggs might have trouble with the playbook or gaining TB's trust? Or trust that Scar can make something work no matter who he gets. I agree with most that OL seems to be much more of a need at the moment. But the chance at getting Diggs might be too hard to pass up.
OL don't usually substitute and WR often do, so I think it's easier to integrate a WR. An OL who only knows X% of the playbook can't do a whole lot. But they can draw up specific packages for a WR who only knows X% of the playbook and ease him in more. We saw that earlier this year with Antonio Brown.

I also think the idea of improving the OL is nice, but what are the specifics? Thuney, Mason, and Cannon are pretty established. So you're either talking about upgrading Karras at C (probably the most complicated position) or Newhouse at LT. If you get a LT, is it someone who is going to start even if/when Wynn returns, or is he going to be the swing tackle / depth? How much would you pay for depth?

I could see a small move at OL (like we've seen with the Cunningham, Eluemunor, and Bodine trades and the Newhouse pickup), likely to upgrade Ferentz. I think it's more complicated to make a big move, unless they don't think Wynn is going to be 100% down the stretch.
 

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For the people much more knowledgeable than me.......what position would have more of a chance at coming in mid season and making a solid contribution? WR or OL? Take a risk that someone like Sanders or Diggs might have trouble with the playbook or gaining TB's trust? Or trust that Scar can make something work no matter who he gets. I agree with most that OL seems to be much more of a need at the moment. But the chance at getting Diggs might be too hard to pass up.
Pretty sure its gonna be WR. A 2nd or third rate WR can be coached up and made to look better by what Brady does well, by his smarts, and his ability to throw receivers open. Any OL who are better than what we have are either not going to be available or are going to be so expensive in a deal we could never afford them. Plus WR need to learn, primarily, routes, and maybe get a bit of QB timing down. But OL need to work on so much more about how the unit as a whole works together.
 

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I could see a small move at OL (like we've seen with the Cunningham, Eluemunor, and Bodine trades and the Newhouse pickup), likely to upgrade Ferentz. I think it's more complicated to make a big move, unless they don't think Wynn is going to be 100% down the stretch.
My hope is that, if Wynn comes back, we get more than just the benefit of a LT upgrade. Im hoping that his return allows other players to slide back into better spots for them so that we also get small improvements at a couple other spots as a result
 

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My hope is that, if Wynn comes back, we get more than just the benefit of a LT upgrade. Im hoping that his return allows other players to slide back into better spots for them so that we also get small improvements at a couple other spots as a result
Like where? All that's going to happen is that Wynn will replace Newhouse. Everyone else - Thuney, Karras, Mason, and Cannon - will stay right where they are.
 

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Like where? All that's going to happen is that Wynn will replace Newhouse. Everyone else - Thuney, Karras, Mason, and Cannon - will stay right where they are.
Hypothetical response, but perhaps Thuney has to help out Newhouse more than he did with Wynn. That takes away a bit from what else Thuney can do, and changes the dynamic down the line
 

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Like where? All that's going to happen is that Wynn will replace Newhouse. Everyone else - Thuney, Karras, Mason, and Cannon - will stay right where they are.
OK. I thought some more players were being forced to play out of position a bit. I guess we really arent going to get much more than the benefit of a single position upgrade, which unfortunately, doesnt seem like all we need based on how often Brady is getting hit
 

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Any good centers that might be available, who are on the last year of their contract? I assume Andrews will be back next season healthy so there's no long-term need, but Karras just isn't great and if we could upgrade there, and get Wynn back, that would significantly improve the OL, IMO. Of course, it would help if Cannon played like he's capable of playing. Seems like he's really underperformed this season.
Trey Hopkins from CIN fits. They have 2018 #21 pick Billy Price backing him up now too. I don't think learning C for a different team is necessarily as challenging as others do. There aren't a ton of pass protection schemes, so it's just the verbiage. However, I think CIN run blocking is a different style from what the Pats do, so that might be a challenge.
 

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Hypothetical response, but perhaps Thuney has to help out Newhouse more than he did with Wynn. That takes away a bit from what else Thuney can do, and changes the dynamic down the line
This is almost certainly true. And we have seen two backs staying in for coverage a lot more than Tom would like also.

Newhouse hasn't been a total loss, but his issues force holes elsewhere and limit what other guys can do.
 

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The issue with upgrading the C position is the lack of availability of centers that are substantially better than Karras. Granted, Karras isn't very good, but better centers are usually not made available, as it is one of the more difficult positions along the line to replace. There is just not that much reason for a team to trade a center on their roster for a 5th round pick, unless that player is at Karras' level or below, which is not what is needed.

If anything, an upgrade at tackle would be most bang for the buck, but I'm think the Pats may lean towards bringing in a WR.
 
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The issue with upgrading the C position is the availability of centers that are substantially better than Karras. Granted, Karras isn't very good, but better centers are usually not made available, as it is one of the more difficult positions along the line to replace. There is just not that much reason for a team to trade a center on their roster for a 5th round pick, unless that player is at Karras' level or below, which is not what is needed.

If anything, an upgrade at tackle would be most bang for the buck, but I'm think the Pats may lean towards bringing in a WR.
The other thing is you're only looking for a single season replacement with Andrews coming back next year. If you assume Wynn is coming back and will be effective once he does so, it's hard to see where there's any available upgrades that make sense even disregarding the cap space.

Trade for Trent Williams, move Wynn to LG when he returns and Thuney to Center?
 

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From Jeff Howe's column today...
"The Patriots are, however, interested in making a push for a wide receiver on the trade market, and one name that surfaced was indeed Vikings receiver Stefon Diggs, who has proclaimed his frustrations with his team’s lack of winning. The hurdle – and this would be a major one if it holds – is the Vikings may not be interested or even willing to move Diggs. If he isn’t available or the price is too steep, expect the Patriots to explore other possibilities, potentially including Emmanuel Sanders, A.J. Green or Mohammad Sanu."

 

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I wonder what the Bucs issues with OJ Howard are. Kyed mentioned him today
Despite being so air-friendly, Arians offenses have never really utilized tight ends much. He's never had someone like Howard before, but so far it seems not to matter.
 

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From Jeff Howe's column today...
"The Patriots are, however, interested in making a push for a wide receiver on the trade market, and one name that surfaced was indeed Vikings receiver Stefon Diggs, who has proclaimed his frustrations with his team’s lack of winning. The hurdle – and this would be a major one if it holds – is the Vikings may not be interested or even willing to move Diggs. If he isn’t available or the price is too steep, expect the Patriots to explore other possibilities, potentially including Emmanuel Sanders, A.J. Green or Mohammad Sanu."

Sanu seems kind of redundant to Harry but guess it makes sense if they aren’t confident Harry can contribute this year.
 

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They'll have to do some cap gymnastics to get anybody of substance unless they can pry Calvin Ridley out of Atlanta.
Yup. Diggs and AJ are probably only ones worth doing the gymnastics for and those are obviously the most unlikely due to availability and acquisition cost. Think this will be like last year where we’re motivated buyers but nothing happens.

Dammit, AB.
 

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Could they fit both Howard and Sanu under the cap? Neither seems terribly expensive. The cap stuff is just way too complicated for me to know who takes what cap hit for guys acquired via in-season trade.
 

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They'll have to do some cap gymnastics to get anybody of substance unless they can pry Calvin Ridley out of Atlanta.
Ridley is really good, really young, and really cheap. If the Falcons fire their coach, he's the kind of player they want to keep. If he's on the market, pretty much every team in the league will call them.
 

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If they fire Quinn, they should try to recoup as many draft assets as possible and Ridley would bring back a couple of high picks.
They can't do a rebuild with Matt Ryan still there, his contract is too large. They'll simply hope that a new coach will get them playing to their "potential".
 

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Ridley is really good, really young, and really cheap. If the Falcons fire their coach, he's the kind of player they want to keep. If he's on the market, pretty much every team in the league will call them.
Am I wrong in thinking Ridley ranks just a couple of tiers below McCaffrey in most-valuable/least-available players?
 

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Am I wrong in thinking Ridley ranks just a couple of tiers below McCaffrey in most-valuable/least-available players?
I mean, there’s at least a half dozen rookie contract WR I’d take over Ridley... off the top of my head Chark, Godwin, Sutton, Moore, Golladay, JuJu... and I think McCaffrey is several tiers above him... but there is zero reason the Falcons should be looking to trade Ridley.

Edit: of course, none of those guys mentioned are available either...
 

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They can't do a rebuild with Matt Ryan still there, his contract is too large. They'll simply hope that a new coach will get them playing to their "potential".
Regardless of the Ridley talk, I think the Falcons can rebuild with Matt Ryan. If anything, Julio Jones might the contract they can't maintain through a rebuild.
 

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I mean, there’s at least a half dozen rookie contract WR I’d take over Ridley... off the top of my head Chark, Godwin, Sutton, Moore, Golladay, JuJu... and I think McCaffrey is several tiers above him... but there is zero reason the Falcons should be looking to trade Ridley.
Since none of these guys are available I don't know if we should really get into this, but of those guys I'd only take Juju over Ridley.
 

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With Gordon continuing to get banged-up, you have to think a WR will be acquired.

BB can always throw us a curveball and trade for a DT but TB had Myers & Gunner* besides Edelman.

* Although both made some nice grabs.
 

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With Gordon continuing to get banged-up, you have to think a WR will be acquired.

BB can always throw us a curveball and trade for a DT but TB had Myers & Gunner* besides Edelman.

* Although both made some nice grabs.
Yup. And Pats only play 3 games between now and November 17th. Lots of time to integrate a new face. Meyers and Gunner did well tonight but doubt they rely on them. Gordon’s diagnosis will be key here. Still holding out hope that Harry can make 2nd half impact but who knows.
 

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Yup. And Pats only play 3 games between now and November 17th. Lots of time to integrate a new face. Meyers and Gunner did well tonight but doubt they rely on them. Gordon’s diagnosis will be key here. Still holding out hope that Harry can make 2nd half impact but who knows.
Seems like I flip-flop on who the offense actually needs more than a Galaxy Fold durability test.

Myers and Gunner did better than expected but the real damage against TB & the run game came due to Izzo getting blown up. Hopefully, Wynn's injuries are behind him so perhaps adding to the OL may not be a priority at this stage of the season. Then again, Myers and Gunner without a 100% healthy Gordon and Edelman is a scary proposition.

I still think TE may provide the greatest quality upgrade from what McD can currently put out on the field. O.J. Howard or Austin "Pipe Dream" Hooper would be great. However, they are not the game-changer than someone like Diggs can be.
 

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FOXBORO — The Patriots have already engaged the market for wide receiver help.
With an injury-depleted corps and an offense that could use an injection, they’ll almost certainly enhance those efforts before the Oct. 29 trade deadline. It might even help the cause that Bill Belichick and Nick Caserio have a couple long weekends to work the phones on the heels of their 35-14 Thursday night victory against the Giants and prior to their upcoming Monday night rematch with the Jets.
There isn’t exactly a surplus of answers to the wide receiver question around the league, but there is enough stock for the Patriots to see it through. They want a wide receiver in the wake of the Antonio Brown disaster, and they’ll remain in search of a levelheaded trade partner.
Internally, the Patriots have sounded hopeful they could pry away Stefon Diggs from the Vikings, though that still has the appearance of an overly lofty goal. Diggs just signed a five-year, $72 million contract extension through 2024 and is one of the most talented players on a 3-2 team only two years removed from the NFC Championship game. There’s even been speculation coach Mike Zimmer could be on the hot seat without a playoff push, so it’d be a hard sell to weaken his roster in order to boost future draft capital, potentially for a future regime.
At least publicly, Diggs has played nice since voicing his frustrations last week over the Vikings’ lack of winning. But that won’t prevent teams like the Patriots from calling — over and over again. When sharks smell blood in the water, they show their teeth.
Diggs would almost certainly command a first-round pick. Since his game suits the Patriots better than Brandin Cooks’ style a couple seasons ago, the Pats may very well be willing to surrender one for his services, as they did for Cooks. But the Patriots also may not be the only ones willing to pay that price, and their first-round picks tend to reside in the 30s. If a fringe playoff team offers a first-rounder that could fall in the Nos. 16-24 range, the Patriots would likely have to at least counter by adding a third-rounder.
That’s hardly the only hurdle. The Patriots only have about $3 million in cap space, but they could extend the pacts for quarterback Tom Brady, safety Devin McCourty and linebacker Dont’a Hightower to create more room. A more unconventional move could involve trading defensive end Michael Bennett, considering their wild amount of depth in the front seven.
Also mentions Randall Cobb, (heh) Larry Fitzgerald, Emmanuel Sanders, Nelson Agholor, Allen Hurns, and Mohammed Sanu.

 

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if we can find someone to take Bennett without having to staple real value to him, I'd be stoked. I don't think he's toast, by any means, but we're absolutely loaded at that position and in our system he is not (yet) a top performer.
 

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There’s not any cap space to be freed up by trading Bennett, so would really depend on the ability to get real value back.

His base salary for 2019 is only $3 million, so getting his remaining 10 games of salary off the books would be more than offset by the acceleration of his 2020 signing bonus money ($2mn) onto the 2019 cap.

Probably a cap casualty next offseason, but no reason to offload him this year unless it’s for a player at a position of need or he becomes a locker room issue because of lack of playing time.
 

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There’s not any cap space to be freed up by trading Bennett, so would really depend on the ability to get real value back.

His base salary for 2019 is only $3 million, so getting his remaining 10 games of salary off the books would be more than offset by the acceleration of his 2020 signing bonus money ($2mn) onto the 2019 cap.

Probably a cap casualty next offseason, but no reason to offload him this year unless it’s for a player at a position of need or he becomes a locker room issue because of lack of playing time.
This is incorrect per Miguel.

View: https://twitter.com/patscap/status/1182689274505904128


View: https://twitter.com/PatriotsPOV/status/1182647322825674752
 

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So, would Monday be the next heightened-anticipation day? If the Patriots were to make a move, give them a full week to acclimated an acquired (by trade) player?
 

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So, would Monday be the next heightened-anticipation day? If the Patriots were to make a move, give them a full week to acclimated an acquired (by trade) player?
That makes sense, plus another game check that wouldn't go against the cap. I could see them holding off one more week, with the Jets on the schedule.
 

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So, would Monday be the next heightened-anticipation day? If the Patriots were to make a move, give them a full week to acclimated an acquired (by trade) player?
Depends how much competition there is for Fitz and when the Pats can get Mallett on the squad for the trade.
 

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That makes sense, plus another game check that wouldn't go against the cap. I could see them holding off one more week, with the Jets on the schedule.
Agreed, although they could trade Bennett next week ... if that's in the works