2019 Jets: Mono a Mano

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Joe Douglas is a really good hire. I have been doing a lot of research on front offices for ITP, and I was stunned at how much turnover there was in the Philly front office. There are not a lot of Reid holdovers. Douglas had to build that scouting team from the ground up.

That's huge to me. I think one of the problems teams run into is that they hire great evaluators who aren't necessarily great managers. The GM has a lot of of managerial responsibilities. Douglas is a great evaluator who has also proven himself to be a great manager. He'll have stuff he needs to learn - Roseman is one of the best cap guys in the business, so Douglas has likely barely done anything there - but he would have been on my short list for sure.

Douglas cut his teeth under Ozzie Newsome and Phil Savage in BAL, so he's, what, the 8th Belichick GM in the league? BB, Douglas and DeCosta (both indirect), Dimitroff, Licht, Quinn, Robinson - seven, I guess. You could make arguments for John Lynch and Mike Mayock (played for BB) and Dave Caldwell (indirect). Not bad.
Douglas was a great hire; he'll definitely upgrade the talent of the team.

Didn't realize that Douglas also brought on Phil Savage. NYJ front office should be one of the best in the league. Who would have thunk that?
 

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That's a big blow to a fairly flimsy defense.

It is a big loss. The d is not bad except for corner which is likely the worst in the league which is a huge problem. Could also use an OLB.

Edit: depth on this team is a disaster but the new gm is trying
 

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It is a big loss. The d is not bad except for corner which is likely the worst in the league which is a huge problem. Could also use an OLB.

Edit: depth on this team is a disaster but the new gm is trying
Fair. I guess I look at them as flimsy now that Williamson is out. Loved his sideline to sideline speed. While he isnt in the Koechly/Wagner class of middle linebackers, hes probably in that next tier down.

Anyway, big loss for the Jets is good for the Pat's, bit hate to see injuries like this. What the hell was he doing in so late in the game?
 

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It is a big loss. The d is not bad except for corner which is likely the worst in the league which is a huge problem. Could also use an OLB.

Edit: depth on this team is a disaster but the new gm is trying
Still, Jets outlook seems brightest since the 2006 season, when Pennington & Co. went 10-6. This includes the heady Sexy Rexy days, when Sanchez was always a few quarters away from being a bust (i.e., the first half vs the Steelers after beating NE).

Of course, 2006 draft netted D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, Kellen Clemens, Eric Smith, Leon Washington, and Drew Coleman. That is a great haul for a single year. The current front-office hasn't come close to that but they've been pretty solid, to my dismay.

Jets making the playoffs this year was really far-fetched even before Williamson's unfortunate injury. However, you finally have a QB to build around as well as budding stars in Quinnen Williams and Jamal Adams (Marcus Maye too, if he can stay healthy). I'll certainly take this roster over the Miami or the Bills any day.
 

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I'll certainly take this roster over the Miami or the Bills any day.
I think the Bills have a chance to be sneaky good this season. They had the expected step-back season after the step up. So much depends on Allen's development, but would be surprised to see both the Bills and Jets in the 8-8 to 10-6 range
 

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I think the Bills have a chance to be sneaky good this season. They had the expected step-back season after the step up. So much depends on Allen's development, but would be surprised to see both the Bills and Jets in the 8-8 to 10-6 range
I agree with you. The Bills have all around a strong roster while they continue to build the supporting staff around Allen. However their defense is already v good and with their younger pieces could easily be a top 5 unit. Wouldn't shock me if they are a playoff team.

The Jets OTOH have a shitty secondary, a banged up LB core, and yes, a good DL.

Offensively their OL is in shambles and their receivers are mediocre. I don't get the Jets love this year.
 

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I agree with you. The Bills have all around a strong roster while they continue to build the supporting staff around Allen. However their defense is already v good and with their younger pieces could easily be a top 5 unit. Wouldn't shock me if they are a playoff team.

The Jets OTOH have a shitty secondary, a banged up LB core, and yes, a good DL.

Offensively their OL is in shambles and their receivers are mediocre. I don't get the Jets love this year.
I like their WR's on paper. Enunwa, Anderson, and Crowder have a chance to be pretty good together along with Le'Veon Bell, Ty Montgomery, and TE Chris Herndon after his 4-game suspension. Their OL has been banged up but if healthy adding vet guys like Kalil, Osemele, and Beachum should give Darnold decent time to throw the ball. Secondary wise, their corners stink but Adams and Maye form one of the better safety combos in the league.
 

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@RedOctober3829 Agree w/ the safeties, sure. But their corners? Ugh.
While the interior of their OL is ok their tackle situation is a mess unless you think Beachum and Shell are more than JAGs which I do not. Jury is out though on Shell - he might turn into a solid right tackle.

Would genuinely surprise me if they made the playoffs or won more than 7 games. Would charity bet $25 for who has the worst record at end of season. I would take the Jets if you took the Bills.

Quick edit: the worst record is just between Bills and Jets.
 

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Jets have a schedule that if they are decent they could go 11-5 (the question to be answered is are they decent)

Same team with a tougher schedule could be 7-9, 8-8 (or worse).

The Oline is a problem but if Kalil can play, it could be average. I’m happy with RB, QB, WR and TE (but our best TE got suspended for 4 games)

On D, line is good, team should be stout up the middle as the tackles, Mosley, Adams and Maye (if he sees the field) are good.

Corner is a horror movie that could ruin the season. Need the waiver wire to be kind or need a trade.

Jets fans are excited because we love Sam and think Gase will be able to develop him. That’s really all it is.
 

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In his first post-mortem as Jets coach, Adam Gase fired off critical comments about the offensive line, receivers (a thinly veiled shot at Robby Anderson), cornerbacks and the defense for how poorly it played in the aftermath of C.J. Mosley's injury. But the capper was this: Asked why RB Ty Montgomery played only five snaps, Gase refused to give an explanation and said defiantly: "That's the beauty part of being the head coach – I can basically do what I want." This sort of comment only reinforces his reputation as a control freak, which started in Miami. Maybe he was just grumpy after a brutal loss. It's something that bears watching because criticism can wear thin in the locker room.
 

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Rich Cimini ESPN Staff Writer
In his first post-mortem as Jets coach, Adam Gase fired off critical comments about the offensive line, receivers (a thinly veiled shot at Robby Anderson), cornerbacks and the defense for how poorly it played in the aftermath of C.J. Mosley's injury. But the capper was this: Asked why RB Ty Montgomery played only five snaps, Gase refused to give an explanation and said defiantly: "That's the beauty part of being the head coach – I can basically do what I want." This sort of comment only reinforces his reputation as a control freak, which started in Miami. Maybe he was just grumpy after a brutal loss. It's something that bears watching because criticism can wear thin in the locker room.

That was an asinine question. Bell is our best player (proven player) and the dipshit reporter is asking why his backup didn’t play more.

Maybe it will wear thin, maybe it won’t. The problem is the roster. No corners, mishmash oline, no depth.
 

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Quincy Enunwa done for the year with a neck injury. This has to be why the Jets were looking for a WR.

Woof. I always liked Enunwa. He's battled groin and other minor injuries during camp too.
 

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6 weeks is usual for mono because of the risk of splenic rupture (as natty correctly points out above).
In the Jets' case, they may MRI him to determine if his spleen is enlarged...we don't routinely do this so we just tell folks no contact sports for 6 weeks to be safe. He may be back sooner with some reassuring imaging studies. Some mono patients suffer from EXTREME fatigue for months after exposure. Hopefully, he's back healthy soon.



My brother is a Jets fan.

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And I'm going to watch every minute of every single one of these games.
Premature but serious question:

If Jets season falls apart by this and they get #1 pick. Would you rather have Tua and trade Darnold or vice versa? I would presume that trading Tua would yield a greater return.
 

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6 weeks is usual for mono because of the risk of splenic rupture (as natty correctly points out above).
In the Jets' case, they may MRI him to determine if his spleen is enlarged...we don't routinely do this so we just tell folks no contact sports for 6 weeks to be safe. He may be back sooner with some reassuring imaging studies. Some mono patients suffer from EXTREME fatigue for months after exposure. Hopefully, he's back healthy soon.



My brother is a Jets fan.

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it also not uncommon for athletes to lose a ton of weight while they have mono, relatively speaking?
 

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The #1 pick would bring a huge return for a team that didn’t need a QB. I would say that a Year 3 Darnold would be significantly better than a Year 1 Tua.
If the Jets do spiral down out of this situation, those Miami games on their schedule might be must-watch
 

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it also not uncommon for athletes to lose a ton of weight while they have mono, relatively speaking?
Reported this morning that Darnold has already lost more than 5 pounds
 

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Bravo on the thread title change. Well done indeed.
Trememdous thread title. Fireman Ed nods in agreement.
Great thread title....oh and eff the Jets.
Thank you, gentlemen.

I am actually not happy about this news. A competitive Jets team is always more fun. Having mono really sucks. This guarantees a top 10 pick.

If and when Gase is fired and a competent coaching staff is put in place, watch out.
 

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Thank you, gentlemen.

I am actually not happy about this news. A competitive Jets team is always more fun. Having mono really sucks. This guarantees a top 10 pick.

If and when Gase is fired and a competent coaching staff is put in place, watch out.
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So the answer is never?
 

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Premature but serious question:

If Jets season falls apart by this and they get #1 pick. Would you rather have Tua and trade Darnold or vice versa? I would presume that trading Tua would yield a greater return.

I like Sam. Need to turn that 1 into Oline and CB.
 

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Thank you, gentlemen.

I am actually not happy about this news. A competitive Jets team is always more fun. Having mono really sucks. This guarantees a top 10 pick.

If and when Gase is fired and a competent coaching staff is put in place, watch out.

Depends on Douglas more than Gase. Gase is competent. I saw enough Miami with a zero at QB to know this. Gase might not be good, but he isn't awful. The jury is still out. Douglas has a good rep and I like his moves so far but not enough moves to really evaluate yet.
 

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I thought Bowles was competent. I understand after 3 straight last-place finishes, he had to go (despite how much of the blame probably lies with the GM), but I'd bet he gets another shot.

Gase's reputation, meanwhile, appears built entirely on the onetime say-so of Peyton Manning. I do wonder how much that particular magic lasts.