2019 Dolphins: Flo Ridas

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Really? I don't follow college football enough to know, but those guys barely played before this year, didn't they?
Well this class was eyed as a bad QB class since last year’s draft. I’m pretty sure Haskins and Herbert were viewed as the main QBs because Murray had been drafted by the A’s and said he was only playing one season of football.

Herbert obviously went back to Oregon. Jones is probably the one that came out of left field this year. His value was inflated by this year’s poor QB class.

Someone will rise from relative obscurity this season for sure, just like Jones this year, just like Baker Mayfield last year.
 

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I think the idea that the 2019 QB class was weak was the prevelant wisdom for some time...it’s why the Giants got so much crap for taking Barkley, even with him proving to be a dynamic player, because the prevailing wisdom was that this wasn’t the year to be banking in drafting your “franchise QB”.

Didn’t help that most of the war Herbert was considered the top guy, but than he went back to school.

This year really reminds me of 2011, when people talked themselves into Locker, Ponder and Gabbert being first round talents.
Though, maybe not as bad, because at least Denver got Lock in the 2nd round. I actually thought they were going to reach and take him in the 1st, so that actually worked out well for them.
 

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I don’t get a lot of chances to say this,, so I’m going to take the opportunity here...
I absolutely love that they re-signed Howard.
And I’m even more impressed with the way they structured the deal, so they are paying for what should be his prime years, and before they need to worry about paying a QB top dollar. Love it.
 

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I don’t get a lot of chances to say this,, so I’m going to take the opportunity here...
I absolutely love that they re-signed Howard.
And I’m even more impressed with the way they structured the deal, so they are paying for what should be his prime years, and before they need to worry about paying a QB top dollar. Love it.
A cost controlled QB is probably the most valuable asset in football. Whether it’s Rosen, who is even cheaper than most rookie QBs, or someone Miami drafts in the next year or two, they will be paying under market value at the position for the next 3 seasons minimum.

Agreed that it makes a ton of sense to pay for what should be his absolute prime and front loading the deal. You can squabble over whether or not he’s a top CB, but he’s absolutely a top 10, probably top 5 CB, and guys like Ramsey and Lattimore will be getting deals that make this look like a bargain.
 

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Day 2 of training camp is in the books and there are a couple of early headlines developing:

Fitzpatrick is clearly head and shoulders better than Rosen right now.

Bobby McCain appears to be making the transition to free safety. Seems to be getting the bulk of snaps there with the starters.

Kalen Ballage appears to be the early favorite for starting/early down running over Kenyan Drake.

The most interesting thing to me is probably McCain and how it translates to Minkah as well. Minkah was an elite slot defender last season as a rookie. Like, without hyperbole, one of the best in the league. He also struggled a bit when he played as a true FS. I think McCain’s move has more to do with trying to maximize Minkah’s ability and versatility as a slot defender/box defender. I’ll be interested to see how McCain fares in a safety role, because neither Reshad Jones or T.J. McDonald played well as a FS last year.
 

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Lol. That’s 100% accurate. I’d say somewhere in between play very well and get paid.

It’s a double edged sword because we know what Fitz is. He’s at times an average to above average starter with cavernous valleys of terrible play. Extremely streaky, but a proven veteran.

Rosen right now is clearly not at his level, but that’s irrelevant. It’s whether or not Rosen can be better in the long term. The 2019 season is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

So does Flores play the vet and send the message to the team that they’re legit trying to compete and (attempting to) win? Or does he play Rosen because getting a look at him for as many games as possible is a bigger piece of this franchise’s future than Ryan Fitzpatrick or 2019?

In my opinion, they roll with Fitz until he inevitably turns into a pumpkin and Rosen takes over and plays out the rest of the season.


Also, Miami signed Allen Hurns to a one year deal, which again points towards trying to compete and not tanking.
 

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You KNOW he is going to light up the Pats in week 2. I'm not sure if I would peg the odds of a Miami win at 99.0% or 99.9%. And then by the time of the game in NE, he won't be the starter.
 

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I thought so too, but his failures may have had more to do with "not being Dante Scarnecchia" than being objectively bad. He deserves a lot of credit for Marcus Cannon.
 

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I thought so too, but his failures may have had more to do with "not being Dante Scarnecchia" than being objectively bad. He deserves a lot of credit for Marcus Cannon.
I agree with your first point but not your second. Googe was given a raw deal*, considering the Patriots traded their best lineman (Logan Mankins) right before his first season. He righted the ship by the end of the year. 2015 was a mess, but injury to Solder was a big factor there; Wendell and Stork got hurt, too, Connolly retired, I don't think Vollmer was 100%, and Andrews, Mason, and Tre' Jackson were rookies. It was a young, banged-up unit, and struggled about as much as you'd expect.

OTOH Cannon had his worst years with Googe. He was competent at RT down the stretch in 2013 (when Scar was still there) and then a mess at both G (2014) and T (2015) under Googe. Scar returned in 2016 and Cannon immediately became a quality RT.

(The * is because I don't know how much input DeGuglielmo had on some of the personnel moves. Maybe he was telling Belichick that Jordan Devey and Cannon were just as good at G as Mankins, that Stork could alter the snap count, etc.)
 

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Interesting because I thought Googs was the de facto OLine coach/assistant anyways.

He has a history with Miami. He did objectively fine work with Indy last season, but was also working with more talent than Miami presently has.

It’s a meh from me.

Edit: tweet from RapSheet. Says Flaherty was let go because of his inability to convey the new system effectively to the lineman.

 

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Flores said today in his presser what pretty much every single person has said and seen thus far:

Ryan Fitzpatrick is currently leading the QB battle.

For Flores, he can’t come out and preach about competition and then hand the job to Rosen if he’s clearly the inferior option presently.

I still don’t take this as an outright indictment on Rosen. He’s learning a new scheme and being behind a 14 year veteran is nothing to be ashamed of.

Rosen said today that he’s been learning to ID the Mike, which is something he’s never had to do. They’re clearly putting a bunch on his plate, and there will be a time when he’s been able to digest it and practice to the point where he can go out and play without thinking, but Fitz is clearly caught on to the scheme quicker and has seen and done things that Rosen simply hasn’t.
 

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Flores said today in his presser what pretty much every single person has said and seen thus far:

Ryan Fitzpatrick is currently leading the QB battle.

For Flores, he can’t come out and preach about competition and then hand the job to Rosen if he’s clearly the inferior option presently.

I still don’t take this as an outright indictment on Rosen. He’s learning a new scheme and being behind a 14 year veteran is nothing to be ashamed of.

Rosen said today that he’s been learning to ID the Mike, which is something he’s never had to do. They’re clearly putting a bunch on his plate, and there will be a time when he’s been able to digest it and practice to the point where he can go out and play without thinking, but Fitz is clearly caught on to the scheme quicker and has seen and done things that Rosen simply hasn’t.
Not sure if you'd heard this before, but he did go to Harvard. It's never been really brought up on broadcasts before.

I'm not sure if Flores will work out or not, but the early signs are good in Miami. No sense running out there and getting Rosen killed or having Rosen run an offense he clearly can't handle.
 

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Flores said today in his presser what pretty much every single person has said and seen thus far:

Ryan Fitzpatrick is currently leading the QB battle.

For Flores, he can’t come out and preach about competition and then hand the job to Rosen if he’s clearly the inferior option presently.

I still don’t take this as an outright indictment on Rosen. He’s learning a new scheme and being behind a 14 year veteran is nothing to be ashamed of.

Rosen said today that he’s been learning to ID the Mike, which is something he’s never had to do. They’re clearly putting a bunch on his plate, and there will be a time when he’s been able to digest it and practice to the point where he can go out and play without thinking, but Fitz is clearly caught on to the scheme quicker and has seen and done things that Rosen simply hasn’t.
Fitzpatrick played a year with Bill O'Brien in Houston, so I imagine there's a lot of carryover there. O'Brien worked with Chad O'Shea for three seasons, 2009-2011, and was actually his predecessor as WR coach for the Patriots. George Godsey was his QB coach in Houston; he's TE coach now for the Dolphins.

(I saw Flores was hiring all the ex-Pats, but I didn't realize he brought in old friend Tiquan Underwood as an offensive assistant)
 

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Since Flores’s statement on Fitzpatrick leading the QB race, it seems that Rosen has closed the gap in a significant way over the last week, culminating with Miami’s mock scrimmage they held on Saturday night.

Fitzpatrick has been inconsistent throughout the practices, and Rosen has seemingly gotten consistently better.

At the scrimmage, the beat writers said that Rosen looked probably the best he’s looked with the Dolphins thus far while Fitzpatrick again looked inconsistent.

If you’re a Dolphins fan, this has to be really encouraging. People were ready to bail on Rosen after one week of poor practices. The more reps he gets, the more he gets comfortable with his responsibilities on offense, the smoother he’s going to look.

I don’t think that there’s any question that Rosen’s physical talents are better than Ftizy’s. It’s going to be a matter of whether or not he’s capable of mentally processing the new offense and still adapting to NFL level defenses. It seems like he’s steadily progressing in that area every day, and that is a very good thing for Miami.



The other big take away from that scrimmage was Xavien Howard’s quote on Preston Williams.

He said he’s going to be special and thinks he will be a #1 WR in the NFL some day. And when you take that quote alone, it’s doesn't seem like that big a deal, but think about some of the talent Miami has had at WR the last few years. Stills, Parker, Landry, Wilson, Grant. Parker, for all of his lack of mental toughness and ability to stay healthy, has a first round pedigree and all of the physical tools in the world.

Howard has never gone out of his way to call any receiver special, but when he goes out of his way to say he thinks an UDFA is going to be a #1 WR on the league, that’s high praise coming from one of the best CBs in the league.

For anyone unfamiliar with Preston Williams, he transferred from Tennessee to Colorado State and got into some trouble off the field when he sat out his transfer year. He put up huge numbers for State, but then had disappointing workout numbers and went undrafted. He’s immensely talented, and has been one of the biggest surprises of training camp thus far. I’d say his chances of making the team are pretty high presently.
 

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Miami signed former 1st round pick Robert Nkemdiche and placed him on the PUP List.

Nkemdiche is obviously immensely physically talented, but has never put it together on the field nor has he stayed healthy thus far in his career.

Nkemdiche is also a former teammate of Laremy Tunsil, and apparently Dolphins brass checked with Tunsil before moving forward with Nkemdiche.

I think Nkemdiche would be an excellent fit as a 3-4 end in this scheme. He likely won’t be able to contribute for a while as he recovers from his ACL tear, but he has more upside than any D Lineman on the roster presently.
 

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Dolphins first half vs Atlanta:

Preston Williams looks like Xavien Howard knows how to scout WRs. He made two, maybe three ridiculous catches and looked like a man amongst boys vs Atlanta’s second stringers.

Miami’s OLine looked bad. Tunsil sat out, but the interior was getting roasted by ATL.

Rosen had a good first drive, evading pressure several times, and leading a TD drive, then had a terrible pick into a Cover 2 zone that he never should have thrown. Bounced back and ran a nice 2 minute offense to close out the half, including a couple of dimes to Williams. Obviously mixed results, but when he had a clean pocket, he looked very good. I would say his stat line looks worse than he performed.

Defense looked so-so. Xavien Howard looks like he’s in mid season form. Miami’s CBs behind Howard and Rowe look suspect. Some very sloppy tackling from Minkah tonight, missing a couple, including one for a big run. That stuff has to get cleaned up.
 

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This would be Preston Williams’ 4th ridiculous catch of the night.

View: https://twitter.com/WingfieldNFL/status/1159641371101130752?s=20
Great catch, but I don't see the same thing that guy sees regarding Rosen. Thats a bad throw in the redzone. Lots of risk on that ball. Corner had good inside coverage and just missed the read on making an INT. A better corner makes a play on that.

Edit: Will say it was a fairly "safe" throw considering it was cover-1, but I think the execution was lacking a little.
 
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