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That’s a little too much surgery to the roster for my blood. They really just need a goal scoring right wing and maybe an extra winger/center. I wouldn’t be touching the defense. I can’t see any scenario where they trade DeBrusk before the deadline. They’d essentially need to get 2 wingers back in any sort of deal. From the Rangers that’d be Kreider and I guess Buchnevich? That doesn’t enthuse me.

Expanded deal to me means including Backes as a cap dump. Something like the Rick Nash trade from 2018.
This is how I see it too, they need a goal scoring RW and if they need an extra winger or center they should be able to fill that from Providence (Frederic, Studnica, etc.)
 

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In an expanded deal, would you do a deal involving Kreider and Tony DeAngelo? DeAngelo would a very nice add as an offensive defenseman and they'd gain some leverage in Krug negotiations this summer along with improving the team this year. DeAngelo is going to be an RFA this summer.
DeAngelo is a garbage person and garbage player, hard pass.

The problem with Kreider is that he's a left winger. Jesper Fast would be a really good depth forward pickup. I'm assuming he could be had for a 3rd rounder or so, would be a big upgrade over Nordstrom, and could play in the middle six when needed.
 

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DJ Bean thinks the Bruins should go for broke at the deadline because the window for this group is about closed. He says to get Tyler Toffoli now to fix the immediate need for a 2nd line RW. Then, evaluate how expensive a Chris Kreider or a Taylor Hall would cost and then go get one of them. They have a bevy of prospects and all of their picks this year.

 

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DJ Bean thinks the Bruins should go for broke at the deadline because the window for this group is about closed. He says to get Tyler Toffoli now to fix the immediate need for a 2nd line RW. Then, evaluate how expensive a Chris Kreider or a Taylor Hall would cost and then go get one of them. They have a bevy of prospects and all of their picks this year.

I don't agree with going completely all-in here. They are already pretty barren as far as their current prospects. If they trade one of their only two real center prospects, we're going to be complaining in 3 years that they fucked up Pasta and McAvoy's prime years. Bergeron is the only irreplaceable player who's window might be immanently closing. They can never replace him, but they're really going to need to develop at least 1 top 6 center, and to have any chance of doing that, that they can't trade Studnicka or Beecher. And I wouldn't trade their 1st rounder this year either.
 

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DJ Bean thinks the Bruins should go for broke at the deadline because the window for this group is about closed. He says to get Tyler Toffoli now to fix the immediate need for a 2nd line RW. Then, evaluate how expensive a Chris Kreider or a Taylor Hall would cost and then go get one of them. They have a bevy of prospects and all of their picks this year.

I'm not sure I agree with DJ.

The "core" of the team to me (outside Bergeron) is:

Marchand - 31
Pastrnak - 23
McAvoy - 22
DeBrusk - 23
Carlo - 23
Coyle - 27

Bergeron is //only// 34. And it's not like his game is built on speed or other skills that would dimish with age.

Realistically - I think the window for this team (as currently built) is wide open the next 3-4 years - but that doesn't mean you should mortgage the future for one this year, because the future may be even brighter.
 

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I don't think giving up what it will take to get a Kreider is necessarily mortgaging the future. Their prospect pool is pretty deep and they can afford to give up their 1st round pick given where they are picking. Attach a pick to move half the Backes contract now too. I think getting an impact guy at the deadline is necessary to compete with Washington and Tampa.
 

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I don't think giving up what it will take to get a Kreider is necessarily mortgaging the future. Their prospect pool is pretty deep and they can afford to give up their 1st round pick given where they are picking. Attach a pick to move half the Backes contract now too. I think getting an impact guy at the deadline is necessary to compete with Washington and Tampa.
Their prospect pool is arguably the worst in the league
 

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Their prospect pool is arguably the worst in the league
That’s up to debate. They don’t have any high end prospects, which lowers their farm ratings in most publications, but they do have considerable depth of guys that will be useful players in the league as bottom 6 forwards and 2nd-3rd pairing defenseman.
 

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That’s up to debate. They don’t have any high end prospects, which lowers their farm ratings in most publications, but they do have considerable depth of guys that will be useful players in the league as bottom 6 forwards and 2nd-3rd pairing defenseman.
Makes it tough to make deals though.
 

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Makes it tough to make deals though.
Maybe, but how many “elite” prospects get moved at the deadline? The only one I can think of recently is the Stone deal to Vegas. The Bruins were able to add Rick Nash and Charlie Coyle at the last two deadlines for Ryan Donato and Ryan Lindgren. And draft picks. Neither one of those guys were anything more than B level prospects. That’s exactly the type of move they will probably look to do.
 

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They have very few prospects of value, other than their "untouchables", Studnicka, Vaakanainen, Beecher. I think Kuhlman and Lauko are more valuable to the Bruins than their market value. If they want a Kreider type, it's going to cost DeBrusk, or Heinen/Bjork++
 

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Salem and cshea better explained what I meant to say. They might not have the top end prospects, but have a number of NHL-ready guys that teams would be interested in. That would be added to a package that would include a player from the current roster and picks.
Not if we're talking about Kreider. Taking top end prospects off the table, it's going to cost something like Heinen/Bjork, a 1st, 2nd, and Frederic/Lauko/Cliffton/Lauzon.

edit: Ok that's actually what you said, but you're ok with a package like that for Kreider? I'd rather give up DeBrusk to be honest. I would explore trading DeBrusk if they could get a haul for him. He's going to start getting expensive soon and I think he's the type of player who is going to cost more than he's worth to keep
 
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Not if we're talking about Kreider. Taking top end prospects off the table, it's going to cost something like Heinen/Bjork, a 1st, 2nd, and Frederic/Lauko/Cliffton/Lauzon.

edit: Ok that's actually what you said, but you're ok with a package like that for Kreider? I'd rather give up DeBrusk to be honest. I would explore trading DeBrusk if they could get a haul for him. He's going to start getting expensive soon and I think he's the type of player who is going to cost more than he's worth to keep
If I'm trading DeBrusk, it's in a deal for Taylor Hall. I don't think Kreider is worth him.
 

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Not if we're talking about Kreider. Taking top end prospects off the table, it's going to cost something like Heinen/Bjork, a 1st, 2nd, and Frederic/Lauko/Cliffton/Lauzon.
This is actually what I would offer for Kreider. I would prefer them to take Heinen rather than Bjork, but if that’s what it takes than I’m fine with that.
 

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You will probably have to clear more than Krug’s current $5.5 million to sign Hall. And DeBrusk is going to get a raise as an RFA. They really can’t afford to pay DeBrusk if they add Hall.
Probably not and they need the room next year so a big signing of someone like Hall is unlikely. If they can somehow find a way to unload 50% of Backes and find a taker for John Moore at the deadline it would create more cap room both now and for next year. Chara/Krug/Halak/Nordstrom are UFAs, DeBrusk/Bjork/Kuhlman/Grz are RFAs. It would make sense to lighten the load of RFAs and Bjork would be the most expendable. But yes Jake could be dangled in a package for a big fish rental.
 

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Moore is going to be in the team for the Seattle draft. As a mildly useful hockey player on an acceptable deal, he’s not getting moved. Arguably the most useful contract on the team.
 

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So I've definitely been on the "need an elite winger" bandwagon for most of the season, but I'm starting to think the forwards on this team are more than enough. And perhaps they've been a bit hamstrung this season having to cover for what is a pretty mediocre defensive unit.

They have a borderline #1 guy in McAvoy, and a whole bunch of 3rd/4th defensemen (to be fair to Krug, he's not *really* a 3/4 defenseman, but all of his value is on the PP. At ES, he's average). I don't know if this player is out there, I don't see an obvious rental, but a top pair defenseman seems like it would make a bigger impact than a #1 RW. If only my avatar hadn't broken his leg...

edit: Looking around the league, maybe I was a bit too hard on the Bruins' defense. And none of the bad teams have any good defensemen to trade. Weird coincidence.
 
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Moore is going to be in the team for the Seattle draft. As a mildly useful hockey player on an acceptable deal, he’s not getting moved. Arguably the most useful contract on the team.
Could they have signed Lauzon to that 2-year contract so he could replace Moore as the defensemen that will be left unprotected? That way Moore can be moved to save cap room. The rules say that you have to leave 1 D-man that is under contract for 21-22(Lauzon is), played in 40 games the previous year or at least 70 total over the previous 2 years. If he stays healthy he'll fulfill those needs. The only thing I'm not sure of is if he doesn't play in enough games this year to qualify this year as an accrued season. It says that 1st or 2nd year players aren't eligible.
 

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Too far out to project on the Seattle draft. There’s a lot of moving parts, we have to know what happens to Krug before sorting out who gets exposed. We know McAvoy and Carlo will be protected. 3rd guy hinges on Krug/Krug’s replacement.

I also think the D is top 5-10 in the league. It is constructed with a bunch of specialists, but it works. Carolina having Hamilton, Slavin and Pesce is an extreme outlier.
 

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Clifton sent down to Providence on a conditioning loan. He’ll likely be in their lineup today. Have a decision to make when he’s ready to return to the Bruins. Probably means the end of Lauzon.
 

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Palmieri is up to #9 on TSN’s trade board, with Seravelli thinking if he doesn’t get moved now, it’ll be in the summer. I think he at the top of my Bruins wish list. I’d imagine the price would be similar the Coleman deal. Maybe a little less since Palmieri is more expensive. NJ could also absorb Backes if Backes was willing waive.


Jumbo checks in at #13. I think I’d take a chance on him if he wants to come back. Can’t imagine he’d cost more than a late draft pick.

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
DeBrusk - Krejci - Palmieri
Bjork - Coyle - Kuhlman/Heinen
Kuraly - Thornton - Wagner
Nordstrom, Lindholm
 

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TSN- B’s and Avs are the frontrunners for Kreider.

View: https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1229857773149663232?s=21


I think it will be hard for the Bruins to win a bidding war with Colorado. The Avs have a much deeper prospect pool and a ton of cap space. They also just lost Rantanen to injury so they could boost their efforts. Sweeney has a history with Gorton though. Sweeney’s not a high volume traded, he has made 13 trades since the opening salvo in June of 2015. 10 of those trades I’d consider NHL deals, 3 of which were with NYR. They know each other, and as I mentioned before, the trade structure would probably be similar to the Rick Nash deal.
 
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TSN- B’s and Avs are the frontrunners for Kreider.

View: https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1229857773149663232?s=21


I think it will be hard for the Bruins to win a bidding war with Colorado. The Avs have a much deeper prospect pool and a ton of cap space. They also just lost Rantanen to injury so they could boost their efforts. Sweeney has a history with Gorton though. Sweeney’s not a high volume traded, he has made 13 trades since the opening salvo in June of 2015. 10 of those trades I’d consider NHL deals, 3 of which were with NYR. They know each other, and as I mentioned before, the trade structure would probably be similar to the Rick Nash deal.
I've heard Colorado has been on Kreider for a while.
 

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Wagner is day to day with a UBI. Will not play tomorrow. Looks like Kuhlman will get a shot on the 3rd line with either Nordstrom on Bjork in Wagner’s spot.

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Ritchie - Krejci - Kase
DeBrusk - Coyle - Kuhlman
Kuraly - Lindholm - Nordstrom/Bjork
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Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Carlo
Grzelyck - Lauzon
Moore - Clifton

Wonder when they try to work Clifton and Moore back in. They’ll need some reps.
 

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Wrapping up the Tampa 2 games last week. B’s really controlled the play and probably deserved to get 3 points minimum:

At all situations

Attempts:118-98 Bruins
Shots: 73-46 Bruins
Scoring chances: 63-50 Bruins
XG: 5.93-3.94

The only time it felt like they were on their heels was the beginning of the 3rd period of Tuesday’s game. Outside of that stretch it felt like the games were played on the Bruins terms. The Bruins coughed up a hair ball on the power play on Saturday which cost them any points but otherwise played 2 great games.
 

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Losing Carlo and Krug is bad, but at least Moore and Clifton are reasonable facsimiles of competent NHL defensemen. Nevertheless, I expect to see my binky Lauzon log about 25 high-stress (and high-quality) minutes.
 

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According to Dom at The Athletic’s model, last nights results put the Bruins at 96% to win the Atlantic.

Their most likely playoff opponents according to the same model- 29% Islanders, 23% Carolina, 13% CBJ.

Think I’d prefer Islanders or CBJ over Carolina.
 

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According to Dom at The Athletic’s model, last nights results put the Bruins at 96% to win the Atlantic.

Their most likely playoff opponents according to the same model- 29% Islanders, 23% Carolina, 13% CBJ.

Think I’d prefer Islanders or CBJ over Carolina.
I think the Rangers have a better shot to make the playoffs than the Islanders. They are playing better than any of the wild card teams right now and only 3 points back. I don't want to see them at all because Shesterkin is having an incredible year and he could be the proverbial hot goalie you don't want to run into.
 

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The Rangers have lost 4 of 6 and have a brutal remaining schedule.

@Colorado, @ Arizona, Calgary, Pittsburgh,
@ Pittsburgh, @ Buffalo, CBJ, @ Washington, @ Tampa, @ Florida, Philly, @ Pittsburgh, Chicago

Other than Buffalo and the last game against Chicago everyone else is playing for something. The Columbus game is the only h2h game they’ve got left against their primary competition.
 

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Went to get a coffee this morning and turned on Sirius. In their sports update, they said courtesy of the Globe that Tuukka is contemplating retirement at the end of his contract which is after next year. If he does this, is Swayman the next guy?
 

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Went to get a coffee this morning and turned on Sirius. In their sports update, they said courtesy of the Globe that Tuukka is contemplating retirement at the end of his contract which is after next year. If he does this, is Swayman the next guy?
I can't think of a precedent where a goalie went straight from college to the #1 role on a contending team. Swayman will almost certainly need an apprenticeship. McIntyre was every bit as accomplished a college goalie as Swayman and we saw how that worked out. I think we'd be looking at a Halak / Vladar tandem if Tuukka hangs it up. Vladar has been very good in Providence sharing time with Legace.
 

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Went to get a coffee this morning and turned on Sirius. In their sports update, they said courtesy of the Globe that Tuukka is contemplating retirement at the end of his contract which is after next year. If he does this, is Swayman the next guy?
I would think if Rask retires than the plan is to have Vlader back up Rask next season, then whoever plays better better Swayman & Keyser backs up Vlader in 21-22 with the chance to win the starting job.
 

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They'll have a more veteran type JAG like Lagace in Providence again next year, probably on some kind of 2 year deal to satisfy the Seattle expansion draft requirements. Vladar, Keyser and Swayman is a way too young and uncertain depth chart. Vladar looks promising. Keyser has had a completely wasted season with a concussion and Swayman hasn't played a pro game yet.
 

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This isn't the first time I have heard Tuukka and retirement mentioned in the same sentence, so I think there is definitely some smoke there. As high as the team/scouts might be on Swayman/Vladar/Keyser, I think the Tuukka haters are going to be in for a pretty big shock if he leaves after next year.