Ok.Nah. Brees was looking off of him and threw without his feet set and basically not looking until he released the ball. Just a bad throw.
Ok.Nah. Brees was looking off of him and threw without his feet set and basically not looking until he released the ball. Just a bad throw.
Why on Earth would they throw on third down?I’m thinking again about the timeout, and maybe not so dumb. If you assume they are throwing on third down anyway, it seems like the right call.
You can't assume they'd throw on third down? If anything, you want to force them into that decision. After the 2:00 minute, they have to run, to force New Orleans to use their last timeout. Then it's third and long. If they don't run, and it's imcomplete, they are going to give Brees the ball with like 1:50 on the clock. How can you assume they would pass there, and take that chance, instead of running, kicking the field goal and then giving Brees the ball with about 1:10 left and a 16-10 deficit?I’m thinking again about the timeout, and maybe not so dumb. If you assume they are throwing on third down anyway, it seems like the right call.
I’m thinking again about the timeout, and maybe not so dumb. If you assume they are throwing on third down anyway, it seems like the right call.
Search found it, actually Tyreek Hill, who did some dumb stuff this past Sunday, but who knows how smart he actually is.Mike Vick?
I guess they’d probably run it twice and force Brees to go the length with no timeouts and 1:10 or so. Back to terrible decision.Why would you assume that and what is the benefit? 4 seconds
Jason Garrett as coach of the year is the funniest thing ever. But what the hell.If the season ended today I'd vote for Pete Carroll, but I'm sure plenty would pick Jason Garrett as NFC Coach of the Year.
My feelings on him have not changed one bit. Yeah he made some nice plays but he put the ball on the ground twice, missed a WIDE open receiver for what should have been a walk in TD and took a shitload of sacks courtesy of his lack of pocket presence. That game was won by the defense, not Prescott.Are you coming around on Dak yet? Now that he has Cooper, he looks a little better, don't he?
Tough crowd, he was 24/28 for 248 yards, a touchdown, (115.5 passer rating) and had two massive first downs with his legs to keep drives alive and keep Brees of the field. The guy literally threw one bad pass tonight.My feelings on him have not changed one bit. Yeah he made some nice plays but he put the ball on the ground twice, missed a WIDE open receiver for what should have been a walk in TD and took a shitload of sacks courtesy of his lack of pocket presence. That game was won by the defense, not Prescott.
Fantastic Couldnt happen to nicer group of fans.That win might really cost the Eagles.
Sure, but how many bad ones did Brees have tonight? One bad pass is still just one bad pass. The first drive of the game, he threw multiple dimes in coverage that led to the first field goal, and set the tone early. I agree that his fumbling issues are a major problem, but aside from that, I thought he was fantastic.The one bad pass was kind of a big one tho haha.
I like the cut of your jib.Fantastic Couldnt happen to nicer group of fans.
Playing Pats in Super Bowl curse keep going.
Gift?I like the cut of your jib.
And fuck the Eagles, Bradley Cooper, Mike Trout and the rest of their assbag fans.
Take your gift Super Bowl win and go the fuck away.
CooperWith Zeke, Dak, Gallup and like the whole defense aside from Lawrence, on rookie deals, where is all of the money going on that team?
Nope, he's still on his rookie deal too. He's only in the 4th year of a 5 year deal that was only like $5million a year or so. He's cheap for a #1 receiver.Cooper
I thought you meant where is it going to go...yeah they don't have a ton of money invested in this team.Nope, he's still on his rookie deal too. He's only in the 4th year of a 5 year deal that was only like $5million a year or so. He's cheap for a #1 receiver.
That's what I'm saying. As far as the salary cap goes, they have to be set up to be in a great position this offseason to sign some free agent talent, maybe resign some guys a year or so early to long term deals. Their defense is so young, and almost all of them (I think it might even be all of them) are Cowboy draft picks. It's pretty amazing how well they've done drafting the last 4-5 years.I thought you meant where is it going to go...yeah they don't have a ton of money invested in this team.
The Saints would have to lose their next 2, Rams win their next 3, Bears and Vikings lose at least 2 out of 3 and the Cowboys lose at least 1 of 3 for the Saints to be locked into the 2 seed heading into the Week 16 game against the Steelers.You sure? They could be locked into the 2-seed.
Supposedly they have 50 some million free (according to overthecap) so yes they're in a much better place than they have been.That's what I'm saying. As far as the salary cap goes, they have to be set up to be in a great position this offseason to sign some free agent talent, maybe resign some guys a year or so early to long term deals. Their defense is so young, and almost all of them (I think it might even be all of them) are Cowboy draft picks. It's pretty amazing how well they've done drafting the last 4-5 years.
Aaron Rodgers is currently at 20/1 in that regard, FWIW.Brady's 28/2 TD to INT ratio is preserved for another year.
And a fumble that should have cost them the game.Tough crowd, he was 24/28 for 248 yards, a touchdown, (115.5 passer rating) and had two massive first downs with his legs to keep drives alive and keep Brees of the field. The guy literally threw one bad pass tonight.
Yeah, I mean, they were one of the top 2-3 teams last year from wire to wire, and played a closely contested Super a Bowl that they led for most of the game and had a multi-score lead to boot.Gift?
It's definitely the beginning of the end for Brees. The cliff is coming. Sad to see.Wow, everyone saying Brees was rattled was right. Terrible throw there.
Yup. They won a SB with their backup QB playing the final 2 months of the season. We Patriots fans are a spoiled lot but I hate when we can't even acknowledge that sometimes other teams are just better.Yeah, I mean, they were one of the top 2-3 teams last year from wire to wire, and played a closely contested Super a Bowl that they led for most of the game and had a multi-score lead to boot.
That’s like saying the Seahawks ‘gifted’ SB49. Pretty uncharitable and counterfactual.
He's cheap for the rest of 2018 but his fifth-year option for 2019 is like $14 MM.Nope, he's still on his rookie deal too. He's only in the 4th year of a 5 year deal that was only like $5million a year or so. He's cheap for a #1 receiver.
Yep. I might have overreacted earlier by saying he's not an NFL QB. He can succeed in the right system but the ability to boost his team like a Brees, Rodgers, Brady is limited. Having a mediocre QB though is a blessing and a curse. Teams like JAX would kill for a mediocre QB. You can win a Super Bowl with a mediocre QB but it is harder to obviously.And a fumble that should have cost them the game.
The dude struggles to throw the ball more than 8 yards downfield. You can win with him, but boy it'll be hard.
If Dak could cut down on the sacks a bit, he'd probably be pretty solidly in the top 12-14 QBs in the league. For whatever reason, his sacks are way up in 2018. He seemed to have better pocket presence prior to the end of last year.Yep. I might have overreacted earlier by saying he's not an NFL QB. He can succeed in the right system but the ability to boost his team like a Brees, Rodgers, Brady is limited. Having a mediocre QB though is a blessing and a curse. Teams like JAX would kill for a mediocre QB. You can win a Super Bowl with a mediocre QB but it is harder to obviously.
Quick edit: I didn't see the game last night but he has played better in the last 3-4 games.
O-Line isn't as good with all the injuries and he hasn't adjusted.If Dak could cut down on the sacks a bit, he'd probably be pretty solidly in the top 12-14 QBs in the league. For whatever reason, his sacks are way up in 2018. He seemed to have better pocket presence prior to the end of last year.
Yeah, Frederick being out has to hurt a lot...he was arguably the best center in the league. If not, def top 3.O-Line isn't as good with all the injuries and he hasn't adjusted.
I also think (and he's said) that Atlanta game last year where Adrian Clayborn wrecked him messed with his head too.
Exactly. And that fumble - as well as his inability to throw the deep ball - was not an isolated incident. He put the ball on the ground twice last night, giving him 11 fumbles for the season. That's an astonishingly bad number and any player who does that deserves every ounce of criticism they receive.And a fumble that should have cost them the game.
The dude struggles to throw the ball more than 8 yards downfield. You can win with him, but boy it'll be hard.
That excuse didn't fly for Romo when he was young and it's not going to fly now, especially since this reduced o-line is still light years better than anything Romo saw prior to the arrival of Tyron Smith. I don't know if it's the absence of Frederick or what but he simply refuses to step up in the pocket. If he feels the pressure (a big if at this point), he immediately steps back or rolls out, which inevitably puts him right into the pass rush. Far more times than I care to count last night I found myself screaming "STEP UP!" when he either had a lane to step up and throw or flat out take off and run, but he either hesitated or rolled out and into the pressure.O-Line isn't as good with all the injuries and he hasn't adjusted.
Cam Fleming was the LT last night, no? That was a far cry from the 2016 Cowboys line out there; a lot of castoffs.That excuse didn't fly for Romo when he was young and it's not going to fly now, especially since this reduced o-line is still light years better than anything Romo saw prior to the arrival of Tyron Smith.
Sure. I won't dispute this line isn't as good as it was in 2016. Though it's playing a shit ton better than last year and even earlier this season; and I contend it's better than the line Romo played behind in his 3rd season:Cam Fleming was the LT last night, no? That was a far cry from the 2016 Cowboys line out there; a lot of castoffs.
Not for nothing, but I'd pay good money to see this happen.And same as in 2016, I think they could pull Romo from the broadcast booth tomorrow and go further in the playoffs with him than with Prescott.
I dunno about now in 2018 since he's been out of football for like 21 months, but I remember in the season finale in 2016, Romo got to play a series against the Eagles and was throwing seeds. Drove them right down the field for a TD in his final snaps for his career. I was actually saying to myself "they should absolutely start him over Dak Prescott in the divisional round"...I knew they wouldn't obviously, but at the time, a lot of Cowboys fans only concern about Romo was how he would look after rehabbing his back. If he could throw the ball still. That drive proved he could with flying colors. But he never got another chance and retired instead.Not for nothing, but I'd pay good money to see this happen.
If Butler played in the game and they lost, then fine.Yeah, I mean, they were one of the top 2-3 teams last year from wire to wire, and played a closely contested Super a Bowl that they led for most of the game and had a multi-score lead to boot.
That’s like saying the Seahawks ‘gifted’ SB49. Pretty uncharitable and counterfactual.
The one thing I keep bringing up and you keep ignoring about early in the season isn't the offensive line. Tony Romo didn't get as much benefit of the doubt because he had Terrell Owens, Dez Bryant and Jason Witten in their peaks during his career (not to mention guys like Miles Austin, who was pretty damn good for a few years), and a running game that's been near the top of the NFL since about 2008 (hello Demarco Murray, or the Marion Barber/Felix Jones two headed combo).Sure. I won't dispute this line isn't as good as it was in 2016. Though it's playing a shit ton better than last year and even earlier this season; and I contend it's better than the line Romo played behind in his 3rd season:
LT - Flozell Adams
LG - Cory Procter
C - Andre Gurode
RG - Leonard Davis
RT - Marc Colombo
Romo spent a ton of time running for his life that year but no one made any o-line excuses for him. Presumably because Adams, Gurode, and Davis all inexplicably made the Pro Bowl.
Inexplicably? Adams and Gurode were both 5 time Pro Bowlers? I assume you're talking about 2008? Adams made the Pro Bowl every season from 2003-2008, except for 2005. Gurode made 5 straight Pro bowls from 2006-2010 with Dallas. Did he forget how to block in 2008 and just figured it back out again? Same with Davis, he made 3 straight pro bowls from 2007-2009.Sure. I won't dispute this line isn't as good as it was in 2016. Though it's playing a shit ton better than last year and even earlier this season; and I contend it's better than the line Romo played behind in his 3rd season:
LT - Flozell Adams
LG - Cory Procter
C - Andre Gurode
RG - Leonard Davis
RT - Marc Colombo
Romo spent a ton of time running for his life that year but no one made any o-line excuses for him. Presumably because Adams, Gurode, and Davis all inexplicably made the Pro Bowl.
That's not what I'm saying, so don't put words in my mouth.So you’re saying you know more about football than Bill Belichick then?
You do realize that the Pats could be anywhere from 1-7 to 8-0 in Brady/Belichick SBs based on one play here or there in each game right? If you want to play this game, it was a gift that Quinn didn't run the ball twice and end the game with a FG. It's silly.That's not what I'm saying, so don't put words in my mouth.
I'm saying in a game where one defensive play would have made a difference, him playing would have improved those odds.
Dramatically.
Were it not for the strip sack on the second to last Patriots drive, the chances were pretty good Brady leads the Patriots down the field for the game winning score.
One play made a difference for your team.
One could have made a difference for the Patriots.
What's done is done.
Enjoy your championship.
Right.You do realize that the Pats could be anywhere from 1-7 to 8-0 in Brady/Belichick SBs based on one play here or there in each game right? If you want to play this game, it was a gift that Quinn didn't run the ball twice and end the game with a FG. It's silly.