To stick a +/- on LeBron's game last night, might be one of the greatest misuse of stats ever.
He played one of the greatest games in NBA history last night.
He played one of the greatest games in NBA history last night.
There are a lot of reasons why you wouldn't want to evaluate a player based only on the +/- of a single, or even collection of games, ever.To stick a +/- on LeBron's game last night, might be one of the greatest misuse of stats ever.
He played one of the greatest games in NBA history last night.
Not only this, but they should allow the officials on a play like last night (block/charge, already being reviewed) to have the option of essentially calling it a tie and just playing it like they would an inadvertent whistle, the team keeps the ball, side out, no FTs, no foul. This would almost never come up, but it would be nice to have the option if it did.Yes, I think there should be scope for one challenge for each team during the last two minutes. It means the last two minutes will take 45 minutes, but they already take 30 minutes to play as it stands.
Sorry to challenge a point from hours ago, but Cavs/Warriors is by far the best Finals matchup for the NBA despite it being the 4th consecutive time. LeBron, Curry and Durant are the three most-popular players in the league, and the Warriors and Cavs are the two most-popular teams in the league. No other matchup would generate the same ratings.If the NBA was pulling strings to affect outcomes, we wouldn’t be watching the Cavs and Warriors contest the Finals for the 4th straight season. People are stupid.
Agreed — good thing no one was doing this. I have no idea what LeBron's plus-minus was last night, nor do I care.To stick a +/- on LeBron's game last night, might be one of the greatest misuse of stats ever.
Well, there were still almost five seconds left and presumably GS still had timeouts (I'm not sure).George Hill should buy JR a diamond watch or something, because due to JR's blunder everyone forgot that all Hill had to do was make a free throw to win the game.
Yeah, there were 4.7 seconds left. Given that Curry can get a shot off in like 0.0002 seconds, the game was far from over but Hill's miss robbed us of seeing a game winning shot attempt, which sucks.Well, there were still almost five seconds left and presumably GS still had timeouts (I'm not sure).
Don't aks me. OK, making fun of his pronunciation of ask.Why?
Charlie Huddy proved the usefulness of the stat was limited immediately.There are a lot of reasons why you wouldn't want to evaluate a player based only on the +/- of a single, or even collection of games, ever.
Many of these stats are really only really useful in terms of understanding units. People just try to apply them to individual players and use words that makes it sound like it makes sense even though it doesn't stand up in terms of statistical theory.
Points, assists, rebounds and any associated % are individual stats, and can tell you about the game the player played. The +/- tells you more about the effectiveness of five guys on court.Agreed — good thing no one was doing this. I have no idea what LeBron's plus-minus was last night, nor do I care.
But I mean, you can say the same about PPG, FG% or any other single metric people like to cite. Bill Russell averaged 15.0 ppg over his career on 44% fg. But I'm guessing his plus-minus was pretty decent.
Well, I think we know the answer to this one -- most of the Cavaliers supporting cast are scrubs. The most reliable non-Bron outside shooters happen to be defensive sieves so it puts them in quite a conundrum.Random thoughts on the game:
- Even apart from the block/charge, Hill/JR, etc. drama, the Cavs should have won this game. Nate Duncan pointed out the Cavs were 3/17 on catch-and-shoot 3s following a LeBron pass. They missed a ton of open looks.
82games.comWhere it would be really potentially interesting would be in, say, seeing if certain players have wildly different +/-s in different units, and then trying to figure out why, learn about the synergies and where they aren't.
Yeah, they had one, and Kerr was about to use it (to avoid a replay of the end of WCF Game 4, where he failed to call a TO and got rightly skewered for it).Well, there were still almost five seconds left and presumably GS still had timeouts (I'm not sure).
Or after he declined the shot he could have kicked it to a wide open LeBron.This is wrong. He had an easy put back. He didn't know the score, because if he did, he wouldn't have dribbled to half court, never once trying to find an open man or take a shot.
Looking right at him too. If he thought the Cavs were up 1, he should have passed to LeBron. If he thought they were tied, he should have passed to LeBron. Dribbling around aimlessly made no sense in any scenario. So dumb.Or after he declined the shot he could have kicked it to a wide open LeBron.
Thanks for posting the video.I've played in high school and college and this has never been S.O.P. following the first FT. After the foul, prior to the first FTA, is committed the coach communicates with captain on how to defend after both FT's are made or one is missed which he conveys with the players on the floor. Without a timeout in hand every second is crucial and so every player knows how to proceed given the scenarios. Never in all my years of playing organized basketball did a coach remind everyone after the first FT what the game score was......this is all done PRIOR to the first attempt.
There was a clip out there of JR literally looking up at the scoreboard prior to one of the FTA's (unsure of which)......I mean at what point do you hold the player accountable? JR knew the score prior to the miss which is why he was so aggressive in hitting the offensive glass. He wasn't retreating to defend with a lead. At some point between him entering the lane and rebounding the ball he lost his mind.......he did this earlier in the year as well when he took a 3-pointer with 15 seconds on the game clock (shot clock off) in a time game, later admitting he thought they were down 2! JR also did this years ago as a Knick in the playoffs. This is not new to JR losing his mind in the heat of battle. It's on him 100%.
I wouldn't say it was an easy put back with Durant and his length right next to Smith prepared to swat the putback into the 3th row.
Being more concerned with fucking up over trying to do the right thing is one of the most effective ways to fuck up, yeah?Thanks for posting the video.
Give JR credit for pushing aside Durant and grabbing a rebound. That should never of happened! Great Play!! And it wasn't an obvious easy put back, what with his body kind of going away from the hoop and Durant turning quickly. But dang, to just dribble it out?
I am guessing he just didn't want to make a stupid mistake (i.e.; take a wild shot, or have pass get stolen), so he did the simple thing. Unfortunately, it was kind of dumb. Still, it's not like the game was lost because of this (it was a tie game!)
And remember how we used to (a week or so ago) talk about the Marcus Smart experience (such as missing a ft he wants to make, then hitting one he wants to miss).
Kind of dumb. Sure. Dribbling out and just playing for overtime, on the road against a huge favorite, instead of actively trying to win the game was only kind of dumb.Thanks for posting the video.
Give JR credit for pushing aside Durant and grabbing a rebound. That should never of happened! Great Play!! And it wasn't an obvious easy put back, what with his body kind of going away from the hoop and Durant turning quickly. But dang, to just dribble it out?
I am guessing he just didn't want to make a stupid mistake (i.e.; take a wild shot, or have pass get stolen), so he did the simple thing. Unfortunately, it was kind of dumb. Still, it's not like the game was lost because of this (it was a tie game!)
And remember how we used to (a week or so ago) talk about the Marcus Smart experience (such as missing a ft he wants to make, then hitting one he wants to miss).
100% checks out with how bad the GS offense has been when running it through Durant and his love for slow-developing contested mid-range shots.
Yes, I think there should be scope for one challenge for each team during the last two minutes. It means the last two minutes will take 45 minutes, but they already take 30 minutes to play as it stands.
I don’t know man. Any time you pass the ball you’re increasing the chances of a turnover by some %, no matter how low it is. If you’re up by one, dribbling out to no mans land is entirely definsible.Looking right at him too. If he thought the Cavs were up 1, he should have passed to LeBron. If he thought they were tied, he should have passed to LeBron. Dribbling around aimlessly made no sense in any scenario. So dumb.
If f he doesn't make a heck of a play (the rebound over Durant) he doesn't put himself in a position to be dumb (his failure to take advantage of an opportunity to win).Kind of dumb. Sure. Dribbling out and just playing for overtime, on the road against a huge favorite, instead of actively trying to win the game was only kind of dumb.
JR is accountable and I'm not saying no one reminded anyone of the time/score situation prior to the second FT. I'm just saying based on my firsthand personal experience this is what we do and it's what most, if not all, programs do that I've been involved with or have been around. We huddle before the first FT and go over our Reminders and then we reiterate before the second FT inside two minutes, and we Remind all of time/score situation which starts with me the coach and extends to our captains. We also have hand signals for time/score situations during actual play on the court. In fairness, IDK if this is SOP at the NBA level. I was just pointing out that it could be and it may not all be on JR's shoulders. But, maybe, it was. Quite possible that all Cavs were on the same page going into the second FT and he screwed it up completely alone. Not out of the realm of possibility.I've played in high school and college and this has never been S.O.P. following the first FT. After the foul, prior to the first FTA, is committed the coach communicates with captain on how to defend after both FT's are made or one is missed which he conveys with the players on the floor. Without a timeout in hand every second is crucial and so every player knows how to proceed given the scenarios. Never in all my years of playing organized basketball did a coach remind everyone after the first FT what the game score was......this is all done PRIOR to the first attempt.
There was a clip out there of JR literally looking up at the scoreboard prior to one of the FTA's (unsure of which)......I mean at what point do you hold the player accountable? JR knew the score prior to the miss which is why he was so aggressive in hitting the offensive glass. He wasn't retreating to defend with a lead. At some point between him entering the lane and rebounding the ball he lost his mind.......he did this earlier in the year as well when he took a 3-pointer with 15 seconds on the game clock (shot clock off) in a time game, later admitting he thought they were down 2! JR also did this years ago as a Knick in the playoffs. This is not new to JR losing his mind in the heat of battle. It's on him 100%.
I wouldn't say it was an easy put back with Durant and his length right next to Smith prepared to swat the putback into the 3th row.
Same thing happened to the Warriors in Game 4 against Houston.Perhaps because the ref is watching to see if player gets shot off.
Man, I just watched this again. WTF was Love thinking? He is as lucky as Hill is that JR Smith is an idiotNot enough talk about Kevin Love and his terrible decision to try and block that Curry layup and missing badly. Let him have that layup and the game is tied with 23.5 seconds left. So dumb. So dumb