2017 All Along the Hightower: Princes Kept Their View

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I'd like to see Bennett back. $10 million plus giving up a good compensatory pick seems like a pretty steep price, though,
Yeah, there's been plenty of talk about HIghtower's injuries and how it should affect his contract, but it seems like the same could be said about Bennett. He was pretty banged up this year with ankle and shoulder injuries, and was also put on IR for part of the previous year. He also had some pretty bad locker room issues in Chicago. I love how he adapted here and upped his blocking as well, but just saying, he does come with baggage
 

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I'd like to see Bennett back. $10 million plus giving up a good compensatory pick seems like a pretty steep price, though, when we have the best player at the position. (If Coby Fleener fetched a 4th round compensatory pick, I bet Bennett will give a good chance at a third rounder.)

We need Gronk insurance, for sure. $10 million and a pick seems like an awful high price to pay for it.
I'd like to see him back too, but I think it'd be foolish to give him the tag or the equivalent on a longer term deal. It's off thread, so I won't get too far in detail and derail, but I think we've probably seen our one season of the Black Unicorn.
 

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Any chance a mod could put Bennett stuff in new thread or FA thread?
 

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I was one who dug into my Ourlads and did my damnedest to anticipate BBs draft ... Never got close , just agita.

After years of rendering myself victim of foolish pride I sit back and enjoy...I
Haven't a clue as to whether Hightower goes goes or not...Too many championships have removed any serious qualms....
A large group of well coached players will be fielded for 2017.Hohum.
 
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Marcus Mosher, a Bleacher Report "featured columnist", is saying Hightower is closing in on a deal with the Titans. He only has 5k followers so who knows if he has any credibility, but I don't like the way things seem to be trending with High
 
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Marcus Mosher, a Bleacher Report "featured columnist", is saying Hightower is closing in on a deal with the Titans. He only 5k followers so who knows if he has any credibility, but I don't like the way things to be trending with High
He has changed the location on his Twitter account from Foxborough to Tennessee ... although he just might do that every offseason
 

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12 months ago it would have been unthinkable that the Patriots wouldn't have any one of Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins or Donte Hightower in the 2017 season.
 
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12 months ago it would have been unthinkable that the Patriots wouldn't have any one of Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins or Donte Hightower in the 2017 season.
or potentially Malcolm Butler. The discussion used to be about which 2/3 to keep of the 4. It really is crazy that they might all be gone.
 

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If BB doesn't sign Hightower, I hope it is because some other team dramatically overpaid for him. As BB won't seem to give up JG to get draft picks, I have no idea how he will replenish the front 7 if Hightower leaves.
Good thing BB runs the team and I don't as I am sure he has some sort of plan.
 

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If BB doesn't sign Hightower, I hope it is because some other team dramatically overpaid for him. As BB won't seem to give up JG to get draft picks, I have no idea how he will replenish the front 7 if Hightower leaves.
Good thing BB runs the team and I don't as I am sure he has some sort of plan.
What is our standard for 'dramatically overpaid'?
 

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Marcus Mosher, a Bleacher Report "featured columnist", is saying Hightower is closing in on a deal with the Titans. He only has 5k followers so who knows if he has any credibility, but I don't like the way things seem to be trending with High
Reporter from Tennessean says weighing offers nothing imminent like 10 mins ago FWIW.
 

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If I see he signs elsewhere for ~$12M annually, I'll understand it. If it only comes in ~$10M annually, I'll be pretty disappointed.
 

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I'm not going to get into how much of an overpay Bill should suffer.

But I echo the notion that it's hard to reckon not ending up with any of Butler, Hightower, Jones or Collins, if that happens. All four were key guys (Butler only at the end, to be sure) of the SB 49 team and two were of the SB 51 team.

We have, in my perhaps biased view, the best HC/GM in sports, so there's a need for deference and humility. But while there are plausible explanations for all of the pieces, the sum total would be difficult to make sense of. Of course, if the D looks terrific next year, it becomes just one more Chapter in the BB Story. BB has been doing the unconventional and unexpected for years. People probably worried about chemistry and tipping points when Mankins was traded, and Seymour before that. The Milloy release is another example. There are of course several others. The sky has never fallen. But, still, is there a tipping point when players just stop buying in? Probably not. But maybe yes.
 

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I did not have dump Hightower and Butler but keep JG in my offseason office pool but of course we are a long way from seeing the final results. Still, so far this feels weird.
 

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Given all of the activity the last few days, doesn't it have to be a good thing that Hightower hasn't signed yet? So many of the top guys were signed before free agency began. If a team had blown away Hightower with an offer, he'd have signed. He's coming back to NE.
 

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Given all of the activity the last few days, doesn't it have to be a good thing that Hightower hasn't signed yet? So many of the top guys were signed before free agency began. If a team had blown away Hightower with an offer, he'd have signed. He's coming back to NE.
I think I agree to a point. I think he's shopping for the best deal, then will given NE a chance to match or come close.
 

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I think I agree to a point. I think he's shopping for the best deal, then will given NE a chance to match or come close.
I would imagine the shopping part is done.

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Former #Patriots ILB Dont'a Hightower, a Marshall County grad, is weighing options. No deal imminent, per source. #Titans @zeus30hightower
I interpret this as him having a slightly higher offer from the Titans than the Pats, and is trying to figure out what matters more to him
 

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High is from the area and has a huge house in Franklin TN...The Titans need him and have the money...I hope I am wrong, but I'd be shocked if he doesn't sign with them.
 

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I've heard this on Toucher and Rich several times over the past few days: the Pat's tactic in Hightower's and similar situations is to either a) whisper in his ear, "go ahead, go out and see what you can get, and we'll match it, or b) defer making the initial offer that might be higher than the eventual market rate, let the market set target, and then respond.

Both seem like pretty standard approaches, but don't know if the Pats are using either in Hightower's case.
 

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Given all of the activity the last few days, doesn't it have to be a good thing that Hightower hasn't signed yet? So many of the top guys were signed before free agency began. If a team had blown away Hightower with an offer, he'd have signed. He's coming back to NE.
A pessimist might say that a team that missed yesterday might jump in on him now. The longer he is out in the cold the riskier it is.
 

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I would imagine the shopping part is done.



I interpret this as him having a slightly higher offer from the Titans than the Pats, and is trying to figure out what matters more to him
Patriots/Jets vis a vis revis redux? Angst on that one was huge, turned out for naught. This one? Hard to not be disappointed if he moves on.
 

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Hightower uodate: Talked to one front office guy on team 54 linked to. Said "we didn't bother." Belief was 54 returns to NE (1/2) HOWEVER...


(2/2) another front office exec said they believed Hightower was "ripe" to be plucked from NE but organization didn't interest 54.


Sounds like he's not liking what he's being offered on the open market. I bet his best option is to come back to the Pats at a lower price than he wants.
 

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Hightower uodate: Talked to one front office guy on team 54 linked to. Said "we didn't bother." Belief was 54 returns to NE (1/2) HOWEVER...


(2/2) another front office exec said they believed Hightower was "ripe" to be plucked from NE but organization didn't interest 54.


Sounds like he's not liking what he's being offered on the open market. I bet his best option is to come back to the Pats at a lower price than he wants.
I think the longer he remains unsigned the more this theory seems likely.

Went to the zoo today and saw a few Patriots shirts (here in JAX). A lot of smiling and nodding amongst us. I'm a DHT signing from upgrading to violent high fives.
 

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I go through different stages with these things, from oh no, don't let him get away (at most any cost) to, geez, I hope the Pats are competitive enough, to, now, maybe he isn't as good as I thought.
 

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I go through different stages with these things, from oh no, don't let him get away (at most any cost) to, geez, I hope the Pats are competitive enough, to, now, maybe he isn't as good as I thought.
I think teams see the same things we see. He's a really good player but his durability is an issue. The older he gets, the more of a problem that could be.
 

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It's Day 3 of free agency not week 3. Seems like a bit of an overreaction to a player likely deciding between 5-10mm dollar difference and where he will play for the next 5 years.
 

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The overpays are done. Each day that goes by the contracts get lower.
Depends on the teams interested and their cap space. Pats have 38 million left, while the Titans have over 40, I believe. He's got at least a few more days before it becomes an issue, I think.
 

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Depends on the teams interested and their cap space. Pats have 38 million left, while the Titans have over 40, I believe. He's got at least a few more days before it becomes an issue, I think.
I think the teams eager to get guys at whatever cost, determined to be the high bidder, have all put their chips in the pot. They aren't waiting around until Day 4 to overpay. These guys will go closer to their true market value, where some of the guys on Thursday got paid at a premium. I don't think it has as much to do with available cap space as timing. Teams strike quick during the legal tampering period sometimes without even letting the player compare the offer.
 

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Some random thoughts about Hightower that might give him pause on signing for max dollars. Haven't done the addition yet, but if a Hightower were to maximize money without regard for winning, he might equal his loss total after 9 years of college and pro football in a season or so. Guy came out of a dominant Bama program into a dominant Patriots team. Has another player ever won 2 cfb and 2 superbowls?