2017-18 NBA Regular Season Game/Observation Thread

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Can they just go ahead and give Brad a 20 year extension right now. Small sample size but he seems to get way way more out of mediocre players than other teams do.

Is it even small at this point?

Jordan Crawford
Evan Turner
Jae
Gerald Green in the playoffs
TBD if IT can be MVP candidate outside of Brad's tutelage

Think about how many games they won his first year (probably pissed Danny off) with the roster they had.

Other GMs will start deflating Cs numbers on the trade block if they haven't already
 

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DET beats GSW even though GSW shot 59% from the field. DET just beat LAC and GSW back to back on its West Coasr swing, which is pretty impressive, and sits in first place. I have no idea if DET is for real but makes the Cs wopin over DEt even more impressive.
 
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Yeah, but based on the last few games our loss to Cleveland looks bad now :)
 

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SSS but Drummond reworked his FT form in the offseason and so far has been able to hit 70 percent of his free throws this season. For a guy that hit 38 percent last season it's a huge improvement and makes him such a better player for Detroit.
 

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DET beats GSW even though GSW shot 59% from the field. DET just beat LAC and GSW back to back on its West Coasr swing, which is pretty impressive, and sits in first place. I have no idea if DET is for real but makes the Cs wopin over DEt even more impressive.
Victor Oladipo with an impressive three to help Indiana close out the Spurs at home:
http://www.nba.com/video/2017/10/29/0021700086-sas-ind-oladipo-three-q4

It's still early season, but Lakers are now in a three-way tie for 5th worst record in the NBA.
Sabonis is putting up 13/10 in his second season and Oladipo is well on his way to beginning his run of All-Star games........remember when this return was criticized as laughable for Paul George?
 

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Sabonis is putting up 13/10 in his second season and Oladipo is well on his way to beginning his run of All-Star games........remember when this return was criticized as laughable for Paul George?
Yeah, I was one of the few who liked the return and that was without being that high on Sabonis. Oladipo is a far better player than he showed last year as he had to nerf his game to fit into a role. He's also improved his shooting every single year and should be more involved in the offense this year since he'll be able to use his play making skills and allowed to create his own shot more. He's not going to shoot .469 from 3 all year, but if you look closer at his numbers, he's been really good from 16+ the last few years so there is reason to believe he can build on the .361 mark from 3 last year. It's kinda remarkable actually, not only has he improved his shooting every year, he's basically done it from every single distance on the court. It's all linear progression.

Add in Sabonis, and that deal is a haul. He's playing in a role far better suited to him in Indiana, playing more inside and less beyond the arc. 67% of his shots were 2s last year, 94% are 2s this year. 28% of his shots were from 0-3 in OKC, 60% of his shots are from 0-3 in Indiana. You'd like him to shoot a bit more 3s as he wasn't that bad at it last year, but it looks like OKC was really using him wrong. Given he was a rookie and he's only 21, it could also just be natural progression or both. Just weird to see a guy go from a 9.8% rebound rate in 20.1 mpg last year to 21.9% in 25.8 minutes this year.

If Myles Turner shows any improvement over last year when he returns, Indiana is easily making the playoffs.


Re Drummond: He's 14/20 from FT this year but he was also 16/20 in preseason. If he can really hit 70% of his FT's, it changes his value drastically.
 

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DET beats GSW even though GSW shot 59% from the field. DET just beat LAC and GSW back to back on its West Coasr swing, which is pretty impressive, and sits in first place. I have no idea if DET is for real but makes the Cs wopin over DEt even more impressive.
Thompson, Curry and Durant scored 84 points off of 50 FGA and they lost. Insane.
 

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Thompson, Curry and Durant scored 84 points off of 50 FGA and they lost. Insane.
Outrebounded the Pistons 40-37, too!

Throwing the ball all over the court (25 turnovers!) will do that to you. Another quasi-replay of the Rockets game, where they led by double-digits throughout, built a 14-point lead, threatened to blow it open, then started disrespecting possessions and springing leaks on D, squandered the lead in the 4th and couldn't pull back together in time. As Kerr said, "the right team won."

Very impressive showing by SVG and the Pistons, who had knocked off the Clippers in LA the night before. Unlike the Ws, they valued their offensive possessions (Ish Smith in particular was a slippery beast) and really got after it defensively (Avery Bradley did his thing on Curry in the 4th, just as he used to for you guys!)

Tonight's Warriors-Clippers showdown (the third game in the round-robin) should be pretty fascinating.

More broadly: with the Warriors, Cavs, Rockets, Spurs and Thunder all stumbling out of the gate to various degrees, a bunch of the nominal doormats (Magic, Nets, Pacers, even Knicks now!) showing some surprising fight, and a boatload of exciting young players, pretty much EVERY NBA GAME these days has a chance to be pretty fascinating. I mean yeah, I'm a hoops nerd, but (since I've retired from the time drain that is Fantasy Hoops) there are usually only 2-3 games a night where I'm really interested in the result. Tonight literally every game on the docket tonight interests me, with the possible exception of Dallas/Utah — and even there, I'm interested to see Dennis Smith, Jr. v. Donovan Mitchell...
 

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wait...the Knicks? huh? Jarret Jack...is saving their season?
 

Cesar Crespo

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wait...the Knicks? huh? Jarret Jack...is saving their season?
Porzingis has really emerged this year. The NBA is full of really talented big men now. Better than anytime I can remember, minus maybe the early to mid 90s.
 

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and the Knicks 65-43 half time lead is already down to 71-64 with 6 minutes and change to play in the 3rd.
 

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and the Knicks are now losing 73-72 with 4:00 left in the 3rd. LOL, outscored 30-7 so far this quarter.

edit: Magic improve to 6-2, Speights hit 5 threes within 5 minutes after coming in with less than 1 minute left in the 3rd. NO should be a much better team when Rondo returns but they desperately need a SF/PF who can play 20 minutes a night. Right now they basically have Davis, Cousins and Cunningham to play C, PF and SF. Josh Smith isn't the answer.

Also, Ben Simmons is really good at basketball.
 
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Cesar Crespo

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Were you watching the game? Curious to know if Simmons hit a legit jumper. saw that he was 0-1 on 3P shots but ended up 10-14 otherwise.
He was 3/3 from outside the paint. Well, 3/4 if you include the 3. I saw bits and pieces but not the whole game.

On another note, the Dallas Mavericks are a terrible basketball team. They were outscored 25-4 by the Jazz to open the 3rd.
 

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and the Knicks are now losing 73-72 with 4:00 left in the 3rd. LOL, outscored 30-7 so far this quarter.

..l.
Knicks did win. I mean, 3-3 is no big deal, but....still a bit surprising.
 

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Blake is playing like a straight bitch right now. No aggression. Scared. Dude, be physical.
 

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God I hate watching the warriors play basketball. No one puts anyone on their ass anymore.
 

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If there is hope for Rozier and Smart learning how to shoot, it's Kemba Walker. I knew he was bad prior to 15-16, but I didn't realize how bad. He's gotten considerably better. Kemba's also getting to the line a lot more so far in the early going. One of the more underrated players in the league.
 

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If there is hope for Rozier and Smart learning how to shoot, it's Kemba Walker. I knew he was bad prior to 15-16, but I didn't realize how bad. He's gotten considerably better. Kemba's also getting to the line a lot more so far in the early going. One of the more underrated players in the league.
Walker has gotten better every year he has been in the league and has been awesome so far. The funny thing is the knock on him was that since he was an "older" player in the draft it was thought he would be maybe the best player from the class as a rookie; but had a lower ceiling because he wouldn't be getting much better as his career progressed. If you did a redraft of the 2011 class today; he would definitely be taken higher than everyone that was drafted above him except Kyrie.
 

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That 2011 draft is weird. If you look at the first 10 picks, you'd think it was a pretty terrible draft. It was actually pretty good.

Weak effort by the Clippers tonight.
 

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Ws finally stop giving the ball away like drunken sailors (a modest 12 turnovers) with predictable results: a 141-113 incineration of the Clips, who came into the game as the league's top-rated defense.

The new #1 defense in the NBA: your Boston Celtics!
 
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Ws finally stop giving the ball away like drunken sailors (a modest 13 turnovers) with predictable results: a 141-113 incineration of the Clips, who came into the game as the league's top-rated defense.

The new #1 defense in the NBA: your Boston Celtics!
Celtics now tied for best record in the league as well.

EC 6-1 tonight against the West, and now +3 for the season. Maybe not as lopsided as we thought.
 

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On another note, the Dallas Mavericks are a terrible basketball team. They were outscored 25-4 by the Jazz to open the 3rd.
That surprises me a bit less than the Raptors holding the Blazers to 6 points in the second quarter (4 Lillard FTs plus one FG).

The Raptors, Bucks, Wizards and Celtics all look MUCH better than the Cavaliers right now. Early times, but I'd gladly take the field over the LeBrons at even money to come out of the East.
 

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When Magic beat BRK, Aaron Gordon went for 41 points, including 5/5 on 3P shots(first person to do that in Magic history). He was shooting 85% from 3P land this season before this game.

Apparently, Vucevic, Gordon, and Fournier are 5, 6, and 7 in BPM (before this game).
Vucevic is shooting 5 times more 3s than last year, where he shot 75. Prior to that, his career high in 3PA was 9 in 2015-16. While he's probably not a .400 shooter, if he's hitting 36% of his 3's on 5 attempts a game, it makes him a completely different player. Same can be said of Gordon. They're still hitting all their shots though. They were 16-34 from three tonight. It'll be interesting to see what they do when Payton is back. This was one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league last year so it's remarkable to see.
 

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philly never trailed beating the rockets, in Houston
Simmons is legit, as a rookie. 24/7/9 on 10/15 shooting and showed a jumper that looked ... ok(!) at the elbow three times.
embiid is game altering defensively
even amit looked good tonight, by far his best game

and TJ i mean 3/3 from three and smothering Harden defensively down the stretch.

best sixers win in a long time
 

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Vucevic is shooting 5 times more 3s than last year, where he shot 75. Prior to that, his career high in 3PA was 9 in 2015-16. While he's probably not a .400 shooter, if he's hitting 36% of his 3's on 5 attempts a game, it makes him a completely different player. Same can be said of Gordon. They're still hitting all their shots though. They were 16-34 from three tonight. It'll be interesting to see what they do when Payton is back. This was one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league last year so it's remarkable to see.
Gordon is down to 59% shooting - on 3Ps.

If Kemba Waller is Exhibit 1 on learning how to shoot, Gordon may be Attachment A.
 

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philly never trailed beating the rockets, in Houston
Simmons is legit, as a rookie. 24/7/9 on 10/15 shooting and showed a jumper that looked ... ok(!) at the elbow three times.
embiid is game altering defensively
even amir looked good tonight, by far his best game

and TJ i mean 3/3 from three and smothering Harden defensively down the stretch.

best sixers win in a long time
Shoulda been 2-0 v. HOU if in the last game they hadn't somehow managed to blow an 8-point lead with 1:40 left and the ball!

I love seeing the non-LeBron East teams flexing their muscles. Still early times — and I think injuries to Kawhi and CP3 are making the West look a bit weaker than they are — but already it seems likely that all the scoffing at the Eastern Conference outside of Cleveland, especially in the wake of the Hayward injury, was overplayed. As usual, the pundits focused mostly on the destinations of a handful of name-brand veterans (George, Melo, CP3, Butler e.g.) while underestimating the potential of early 20s studs to blossom or take another big leap: Giannis, Aaron Gordon, Fournier, KP, Embiid, Simmons, Siakam, Porter, Oubre, Oladipo, Sabonis, Jaylen, Jayson, Smart, D'Angelo, et al.
 
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Jordan Bell through 6 games played (per 36, in 52 total minutes):

22.2 points on .889 FG%
9.0 rebounds
3.5 assists
2.1 steals
2.1 blocks
2.1 turnovers

Longtime Warriors announcer Jim Barnett — who's not prone to hyperbole, but is an Oregon Duck — said last night that Bell could easily start for the Ws right now and they wouldn't miss a beat. (Of course, you could say that about a lot of players if you put them alongside the Warriors BIg 4, including Zaza Pachulia and JaVale McGee...)
 

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Jordan Bell through 6 games played (per 36, in 52 total minutes):

22.2 points on .889 FG%
9.0 rebounds
3.5 assists
2.1 steals
2.1 blocks
2.1 turnovers

Longtime Warriors announcer Jim Barnett — who's not prone to hyperbole, but is an Oregon Duck — said last night that Bell could easily start for the Ws right now and they wouldn't miss a beat. (Of course, you could say that about a lot of players if you put them alongside the Warriors BIg 4, including Zaza Pachulia and JaVale McGee).
At least the rebuilding bulls got some cash though. Not like they could use a young player like him or anything.
 

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Jordan Bell through 6 games played (per 36, in 52 total minutes):

22.2 points on .889 FG%
9.0 rebounds
3.5 assists
2.1 steals
2.1 blocks
2.1 turnovers

Longtime Warriors announcer Jim Barnett — who's not prone to hyperbole, but is an Oregon Duck — said last night that Bell could easily start for the Ws right now and they wouldn't miss a beat. (Of course, you could say that about a lot of players if you put them alongside the Warriors BIg 4, including Zaza Pachulia and JaVale McGee...)
I think Bell is exactly what they need but I'm not as high on him in a situation where he's not surrounded by a bunch of future HOFers.
 

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That 2011 draft is weird. If you look at the first 10 picks, you'd think it was a pretty terrible draft. It was actually pretty good.
Heck, if you just limit it to players whose names begin with K, it's pretty killer:

Kyrie
Kemba
Klay
Kawhi
Kenneth (Faried)
 

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Jordan Bell through 6 games played (per 36, in 52 total minutes):

22.2 points on .889 FG%
9.0 rebounds
3.5 assists
2.1 steals
2.1 blocks
2.1 turnovers

Longtime Warriors announcer Jim Barnett — who's not prone to hyperbole, but is an Oregon Duck — said last night that Bell could easily start for the Ws right now and they wouldn't miss a beat. (Of course, you could say that about a lot of players if you put them alongside the Warriors BIg 4, including Zaza Pachulia and JaVale McGee...)
Cash considerations for a rebuilding team with one of the least talented rosters in the league. Man I'd be pissed if I was a Bulls fan.
 

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Lauri Markkanen has looked really good, so that probably takes some of the sting away.
I dunno, Bell is precisely the type of versatile big that I'd want to pair with Markkanen, given his defensive liabilities, and they could've had both of them. But it ain't my money.
 

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Maybe, though he'd still be pretty much the same player, and likely be getting more minutes with them given what happened with Mirotic and Portis.

But the Bulls suck and we don't talk about them as much as we do the Warriors, yes. As far as I know, there's no Bulls fan version of SamRayNot or DeJesus who post here regularly.
 

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Sixers are not going to pick up Okafor's 4th year option.
That's a brutal miss, could have had Porzingis (if you believe the rumors that's who the GM wanted)
 

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Hezonja not picked up either. Amazing that 2015 which was thought of as a good draft had 2 of the top 5 not picked up for 4th year options well below the MLE
 

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The 2015 draft remains great. Looking quickly, it still looks to be the best draft in quite a while with Towns, Turner and Porzingis, along with the rest of the rotation/starter types like Russell, Booker, Rozier, Oubre, Richardson, etc. It's a bit light on mid-range guys I guess, but the top-end talent was so good that it almost doesn't matter.