2015 Rams: Jeff Fisher Fan Club

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But it should not be forgotten that Jeff Fisher is worse, far worse, because he is affirmatively in the business of hurting people.

And the media never will expose this because Fisher is one of their darlings. Because he dishes. So while they hunt one faux cheating scandal after another, they ignore Fisher's misdeeds and inflate his reputation as a HC.

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So Jeff Fisher says he had Jay Cutler rated over Vince Young in 2006 when he drafted Vince Young over Jay Cutler. Got it.

Also, Rams defense quite good, Rams offense quite bad. As per usual with a Jeff Fisher coached team.
 

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Not to defend Fisher, but the VY drafting was entirely the work of the now deceased owner, Bud Adams. That whole QB choice was dicey for the team. They were looking at Matt Leinart, VY and Cutler. The Titans OC, Norm Chow, had coached Leinart, Cutler was the "local kid" who played at and made Vandy respectable one mile down the road, and then VY was the apple in the eye of Adams from Adams' home state of TX. The resident sports media, albeit one newspaper and one radio station, were buzzing for weeks leading up to the draft debating who the team would take and who should the team take.
 

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Brandt is a lone wolf. Fisher is relentlessly ball washed, esp by the four letter. Decent coach? Sure. Career winning .524, 5 - 6 in the post-season. But the Tommy Jacksons and so forth swoon. Meanwhile, Fisher's teams try to hurt people. But hey, this is football and they are cutely "chippy."
 

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Jeff Fisher is the king of the press conferences, media loves the guy. I never got it, in 21 years as a head coach he's had just six winning seasons.
 

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Throwing out 1994 and this year, Fisher has been a head coach for 19 full seasons. He has had a winning record only 6 times in those 19 seasons (back to back winning seasons three different times with the Titans). He has yet to get to even .500 with the Rams. There are an endless supply of excuses for this-he got saddled with the oft-injured Sam Bradford, he took over an historically bad team*, the recent NFC West has been one of the toughest divisions in history, etc. But he is the definition of a mediocre head coach, and when he does build a winning team, they last for 2 years at most, and then backslide. And yet I have no doubt that when he parts ways with the Rams, whenever that is, there are teams that will line up to hire him. Because toughness.

*this is really the only excuse I give even a little weight to. In the 5 years before he took over, the Rams were 15-65, the worst five year stretch in the history of the post-merger NFL. But 3 full seasons, with all the extra RGIII picks, should be enough to get back to .500
 

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Plus he is an unrelentingly biased presence on The Competition Committee.

The next excuse will be the impact on the team of a potential move. He will be lauded for keeping the team "together".

:jo

In the words of Monty Python, he is considered a "very brave and... influential knight."
 

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He's my least favorite person in the league, including Goodell. I'm convinced to this day he cost this team the 06 Superbowl by ordering Bobby Wade to take out Harrison on a meaningless play in a meaningless game.
 

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37 to 13 at home against the Bears. It was a very good Sunday.
 

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He's my least favorite person in the league, including Goodell. I'm convinced to this day he cost this team the 06 Superbowl by ordering Bobby Wade to take out Harrison on a meaningless play in a meaningless game.
The guy is a piece of shit and is living off his 1 super bowl appearance in being a head coach for 21 years. He has only 6 winning seasons in that time frame.
 

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The guy is a piece of shit and is living off his 1 super bowl appearance in being a head coach for 21 years. He has only 6 winning seasons in that time frame.
I dont recall Fisher even being an especially respected (or successful) coordinator. Guys like Norv Turner and Wade Phillips kept getting HC shots despite lack of success, but they were (and remain) good coordinators. Did Buddy Ryan's coattails just propel him into an undeserved respecatbility?
 

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Has anyone ever had as bad a Coaching "Kudzu" as Buddy Ryan?
His Sons
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Mike Munchak
Jim Schwartz
 

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Has anyone ever had as bad a Coaching "Kudzu" as Buddy Ryan?
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Mike Munchak
Jim Schwartz
HC non-successes Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Charlie Weis and Bill O'Brien have something in common. Just sayin'.
 

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Fisher kept his job in TEN for as long as he did because Bud Adams was literally a sick old man and wasn't paying attention. Fisher got the job in STL because Stan Kroenke is a traditionalist who likes a stable organization and needed cred with the league so he could move the team to LA. He also needed the team not to win, because moving a winner is actually harder than moving a perpetual also-ran. As a long-tenured member of the Competition Committee, an ex-player, and a bad head coach, Fisher ticks a lot of boxes.

If the Rams get approval to move, Kroenke will get rid of Fisher - who will have served his purpose.

As Tom Brady Jr. told Tom Brady Sr., there's a lot of agendas in this league and no one knows all of them.
 

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Has anyone ever had as bad a Coaching "Kudzu" as Buddy Ryan?
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Fisher
Mike Munchak
Jim Schwartz
Schwartz is a BB guy, no? His first NFL gig was in Cleveland.

HC non-successes Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, Charlie Weis and Bill O'Brien have something in common. Just sayin'.
I will never understand why Weis and Crennel are considered Belichick guys rather than Parcells guys.
 

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I will never understand why Weis and Crennel are considered Belichick guys rather than Parcells guys.
Because people making lists of coaching trees are doing so - mostly - to fertilize them and since Parcells might someday give them a quote, better to shunt all the failures to the guy who wouldn't piss on a list-maker if he was on fire.
 

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Because people making lists of coaching trees are doing so - mostly - to fertilize them and since Parcells might someday give them a quote, better to shunt all the failures to the guy who wouldn't piss on a list-maker if he was on fire.
For that matter, Belichick is probably as much of a Perkins guy as a Parcells guy. Perkins hired Parcells and Crennel, too. Not that anyone gives a shit about the Ray Perkins coaching tree.
 

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For that matter, Belichick is probably as much of a Perkins guy as a Parcells guy. Perkins hired Parcells and Crennel, too. Not that anyone gives a shit about the Ray Perkins coaching tree.
Of course not. Ray Perkins is a shitty interview.

ETA: guessing. go with me here.
 

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For that matter, Belichick is probably as much of a Perkins guy as a Parcells guy. Perkins hired Parcells and Crennel, too. Not that anyone gives a shit about the Ray Perkins coaching tree.
But Parcells quit after the first Perkins year and it took Ron Erhardt to lure him back into coaching with the Patriots.

The Erhardt tree sits near the Perkins tree.
 

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HUH....You appear to be right. My Bad. Though to be fair it did say on (at least one place in) the internet that Schwarts was a Ryan guy.....sooo...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1663695-dissecting-the-coaching-trees-in-the-nfl-today

Upon better comprehension.....it lists Schwartz as a Fisher guy.....who was a Buddy guy.......which still is odd they omit the BB connection.
Interesting timing for this conversation since the NFLN re-ran "A Football Life: Cleveland 1995" last night. I had never seen it. Schwartz was definitely a BB guy.
 

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