The injury suffered by Gibson is a torn ACL. Too bad as he was having a good camp.Corsi said:
Christopher Price @cpriceNFL 6m6 minutes ago
The Patriots re-sign LB D.J. Lynch. and put WR Brandon Gibson on IR.
The injury suffered by Gibson is a torn ACL. Too bad as he was having a good camp.Corsi said:
Christopher Price @cpriceNFL 6m6 minutes ago
The Patriots re-sign LB D.J. Lynch. and put WR Brandon Gibson on IR.
vadertime said:Can somebody explain NFL IR in training camp?
For example why did they put Gibson directly on IR, but Gaffney they (had to?) waived then placed on IR. Is it a veteran/rookie thing?
caminante11 said:That would explain why we shouldn't read much into the fact that Tyms and Roberts are not on IR at this point.
CapSpace=$6,887,573 @patscap 27s28 seconds ago
The Patriots also waived/injured Brian Tyms. If he goes unclaimed, he will go on IR. Kettan'is waiver not on transacton wire.
Assuming he clears waivers, he winds up on IR.Ferm Sheller said:Bequette isn't eligible for the PS this year, if that's what you meant, stitch.
Section15Box113 said:Assuming he clears waivers, he winds up on IR.
Stitch01 said:Yeah, I mean he's going back to the IR and incredibly might be back for a fifth training camp next year.
My takeaway is that they see Brown as plug-and-play day one. I think he has a good chance to be the biggest impact rookie since McCourty.Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt said:I had heard pretty good things about Antonio Johnson so far in camp. Smells like a BB giving a vet the courtesy of hooking on with another club before getting much deeper into the pre-season.
Super Nomario said:My takeaway is that they see Brown as plug-and-play day one. I think he has a good chance to be the biggest impact rookie since McCourty.
lambeau said:Kenbrell Thompkins is not a lock to make the Raiders' 53-man. Could become available.
He looked terrible in pass blocking when I watched him tonight. Never got a good step, constantly getting pushed back, whiffed a cut block.SeoulSoxFan said:Hmmm -- I guess I was wrong to leave Fleming off my 53-man roster. Per PFF:
@PFF Cameron Fleming has the most pass blocking snaps (69) of any tackle w/o allowing a pressure in preseason.
Hooman can move into that role too with Chandler/Gronk/Williams playing TE.SeoulSoxFan said:
Apparently Develin out for the season with a broken tibula. This sucks.
David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc
Fractured tibia/fibula requires surgery with rod thru tibia. IR but good for next season, like #PaulGeorge. #JamesDevelin @Patriots
This resets the RB depth. They just cut Kettani, but I think they may go w/o a FB.
David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc
Fractured tibia/fibula requires surgery with rod thru tibia. IR but good for next season,
Apparently no ligament damage on Develin's knee, as it was clean break.
Out "only" 6 to 8 weeks if surgery goes well.
SeoulSoxFan said:
Apparently Develin out for the season with a broken tibula. This sucks.
David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc
Fractured tibia/fibula requires surgery with rod thru tibia. IR but good for next season, like #PaulGeorge. #JamesDevelin @Patriots
This resets the RB depth. They just cut Kettani, but I think they may go w/o a FB.
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Develin stayed in Charlotte, having a rod put in to his broken leg; extremely rare a player doesn't travel home to have such stuff done, right?
Doctor $10
Yeah - must have been a displaced tibial shaft fracture- nailed it so he wouldn't get compartment syndrome. Not something you want to get on a plane with. He's done for the year
Also, he only played in 19% of the snaps last season to begin with. Not that much to replace.soxfan121 said:
Dude, Chao's a hack.
When you want to know for sure, ask daverobertsshoes:
As for fullback, either the Williams kid (the TE/OT) or Shaq Mason can fill the blocking role, if necessary. Develin will be missed in the passing game, but a healthy Scott Chandler was gonna eat into his snaps anyway.
RedOctober3829 said:Also, he only played in 19% of the snaps last season to begin with. Not that much to replace.
19% is actually a lot, isn't it? Especially when those snaps come primarily in certain situations (goal line, running downs, etc.)RedOctober3829 said:Also, he only played in 19% of the snaps last season to begin with. Not that much to replace.
I believe RO was factoring in Chandler, as Develin got a fair amount of action as 2nd or 3rd TE/H-back in some games because of injuries; the depth chart at that position is different with Chandler in the mix, as well as the type of sets they'll probably prefer. More Chandler meant less Develin before this injury. As for goal line blocking, that's where Williams or Mason or Fleming steps into the FB role.dynomite said:19% is actually a lot, isn't it? Especially when those snaps come primarily in certain situations (goal line, running downs, etc.)
He's not the most important player on the offense, but this ain't the 5th WR either.
Surprisingly, Develin was not a big special teamer. He finished 16th on the team last year in ST snaps, playing in ~25% of them. Hoomanawanui was on 30%, for reference.soxfan121 said:I believe RO was factoring in Chandler, as Develin got a fair amount of action as 2nd or 3rd TE/H-back in some games because of injuries; the depth chart at that position is different with Chandler in the mix, as well as the type of sets they'll probably prefer. More Chandler meant less Develin before this injury. As for goal line blocking, that's where Williams or Mason or Fleming steps into the FB role.
Develin had carved himself out a niche on this team, especially on special teams. He'll probably be missed there more than on offense.
Between Chandler, Hooman, Williams, and other backs there are more than enough bodies to replace the 19% of the offensive snaps he was on the field for. As 121 says, ST is where he will be missed. He was really good on kickoff return as part of the wedge. As we all know, the Patriots are a game plan oriented team. One player's role isn't the same for every game. Develin will be missed when they go run heavy(hello, Week 6).soxfan121 said:I believe RO was factoring in Chandler, as Develin got a fair amount of action as 2nd or 3rd TE/H-back in some games because of injuries; the depth chart at that position is different with Chandler in the mix, as well as the type of sets they'll probably prefer. More Chandler meant less Develin before this injury. As for goal line blocking, that's where Williams or Mason or Fleming steps into the FB role.
Develin had carved himself out a niche on this team, especially on special teams. He'll probably be missed there more than on offense.
Even with McCourty I am really concerned about the thought of having only 4 CBs on the roster. I don't think that's a bet Bill makes. Sounds like Fletcher would be most obvious and would slot ahead of McClain who looked like the weakest link yesterday. If they loved Roberts maybe he's the IRDTR (do they have to cut him for that?).SeoulSoxFan said:CB (4) L.Ryan, M.Butler, T.Brown, M.McClain
- Still very, very worried about this group. Injury to Roberts means Ryan makes it.
- By "making it" I mean by default, hanging by a thread
- Not sure if BB will really carry only 4 CB, but with McCourty practicing at this spot I think they carry an extra position elsewhere
It's so tough because Ebner and Wilson are very strong on ST. But there's no way Richards is cut and it seems Chung is the starter - they haven't really been auditioning anybody else in his role so I think he's safe. On the other hand, carrying 4 ST non-specialists (Bolden, Slater) seems like a lot. Bolden had that extension and is going to get offensive snaps. He's safe. Is there any chance Slater is cut? I don't know, that would be a Mankins move if there ever was one. If not, it comes down to who offers more between Wilson and Ebner. Wilson has a more regular role on defense but that could be taken over by Richards very soon making him redundant. IF this is the position then my gut says Ebner is a very tough cut who is picked up elsewhere immediately.SS (4) P.Chung, N.Ebner, T.Wilson, J.Richards
- Not saying much, but Ebner has been looking like a real safety against the backups
- Richards can recognize plays faster than Wilson or even Chung. Football IQ seems as advertised
Four non-specialist special teamers isn't a lot - last year they really had six (Wilson, Slater, Bolden, White, Ebner, and Don Jones / Darius Fleming) and basically a seventh once Casillas came on board. That said, I mostly agree - special teams is probably more important than defense for these spots, but you want guys who can contribute in a pinch, like Casillas or Bolden could. Wilson and Ebner don't really provide any meaningful depth because they already have Harmon and Richards - someone like Freeny who can play LB in a pinch might make more sense. And Brandon King is another guy they really seem to like as a special-teamer - he has a real chance of making it because they have three years of control with him and just one with Wilson and Ebner.amarshal2 said:It's so tough because Ebner and Wilson are very strong on ST. But there's no way Richards is cut and it seems Chung is the starter - they haven't really been auditioning anybody else in his role so I think he's safe. On the other hand, carrying 4 ST non-specialists (Bolden, Slater) seems like a lot. Bolden had that extension and is going to get offensive snaps. He's safe. Is there any chance Slater is cut? I don't know, that would be a Mankins move if there ever was one. If not, it comes down to who offers more between Wilson and Ebner. Wilson has a more regular role on defense but that could be taken over by Richards very soon making him redundant. IF this is the position then my gut says Ebner is a very tough cut who is picked up elsewhere immediately.
Yeah, this is my reading. They don't need a pure C backup because they can just move Wendell over; that's what they did last year.amarshal2 said:Seems like Andrews could be a guy they try and sneak through to PS (Wendell can backup C) but I think they just opt for another G or TE instead of thinning OL depth.
Nah, I mostly agree. I guess the other thing to remember is that there's a lot of tinkering at the end of the roster. Belichick might cut all these guys and then pick up a S some other team cut.amarshal2 said:This is usually where SN points out something insightful I missed that turns out to be correct.
They've gone without a fullback before. Develin's only been on the team the past two years, and before that the hadn't had one since Heath Evans in '08. I wonder if McDaniels is a big FB guy; they never had a fullback under O'Brien, but they've had Develin the last two years and the year before that they tried to add Tony Fiammetta and somebody else but they got hurt. Of course, the O'Brien years coincided with the two-TE offense, and with Chandler aboard maybe they're back to not needing one.lambeau said:It's hard to imagine Dobson will be cut, especially if they think Harper can be slid onto the practice squad. Nobody wants to see Dobson starting against Pittsburgh, but unfortunately
LaFell and Wayne may not be ready.
As for Develin, he played 177 rushing snaps--45%? He was important in running game plans, like Cincinnati and Indianapolis, blocking on 65-75% running plays.
Overall, only San Francisco, Baltimore, and Cincinnati used a fullback more to block in the running game. I don't think BB can live without a fullback.
I might be crazy, but ... was Dobson really that bad the other night?Tony C said:Downs are mostly on offense. I could list them, but mostly it's due to injuries that "seem" to be mainly short-term, perhaps with the exception of Lafell. Hard to judge the OL or the WR corps as they really haven't played as such. That is a down, but not yet such a worrying one. Dobson and Boyce are the 2 true "downs" as in it's hard to see their role on this team beyond stop-gap bodies due to injuries. I am a bit anxious on Lafell since WR depth is an issue....so an interim "down" there, too.