2015 Boston College Football: Daz'd and Confused
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I know nothing about recruiting. So I will defer to the rest of you to grade this class. To me, this is all on Daz at this point. Year 3 of running the ship. Win or lose, its all his program now. And it starts with NLI day tomorrow.
The Allen switch was huge he is pretty close to the best player in the class, On the plus side it looks like the class will rank 9th in the ACC. The downside, no 4* players in the class, and only 2 high 3 star players. It seems like the 2 best athletes in the class play QB, I suspect one of them will fairly quickly move to a different position
No kickers were available?? Is he hoping a transfer comes in, or is there someone on the soccer team who he is eyeballing??
Colton Lichtenberg, a kicker from Savannah Country Day, signed with Boston College.
He is a preferred Walk-On.
He is a preferred Walk-On.
Atari's? More like the old style Pac-Man video games before there were even video game systems.kenneycb said:
So, are you guys still sold on Addazio is the Great Recruiter? His first two classes have been ranked #42 and #47. Spaziani's first two classes were #47 and #38.
It's February. What would you prefer to discuss? I'm interested in how the BC fandom feels about its head coach. As an outsider, it appears that his first two years in the position are nearly identical results-wise (both onfield and in recruiting) to his predecessor's, a guy who was universally loathed around here.
Does it really matter as long as he keeps them competitive and somewhere in the top 50?
I mean outside of Penn State what northeastern college football team will ever compete for a national championship anyway?
I mean outside of Penn State what northeastern college football team will ever compete for a national championship anyway?
So again, you're not interested in actually discussing BC's recruiting class. Spaz was also a shit coach, developer of talent and manager of personnel as well. So it's not all baked into recruiting rankingzzzzzz.WayBackVazquez said:
Regarding your other point see: Murphy, Tyler; Patchan, Matt; Silberman, Ian.
So its hard to compare the two first years. Spaz came in after 2 ACC Championship game appearances and Addazio following two of the worst years in recent memory.
This was his second recruiting class so I am willing to see what happened. His first year class performed well on the field out of necessity. Hilliman, Outlow, Landry and a few of the LBs.
This class is interesting. Tons of 3 stars, 6 players from Florida and all of the 2 starts from Mass or Northeast. The lack of any 4 stars brings the ranking down.
I do like Addazio. He was basically playing with about 70 scholarship players after running off much of the inferior talent. I was impressed with what he accomplished.
We should learn a lot next year.
This was his second recruiting class so I am willing to see what happened. His first year class performed well on the field out of necessity. Hilliman, Outlow, Landry and a few of the LBs.
This class is interesting. Tons of 3 stars, 6 players from Florida and all of the 2 starts from Mass or Northeast. The lack of any 4 stars brings the ranking down.
I do like Addazio. He was basically playing with about 70 scholarship players after running off much of the inferior talent. I was impressed with what he accomplished.
We should learn a lot next year.
Dave Stapleton said:
Don't go explaining anything. You fell into his trap of hijacking the thread and getting everyone amped up. He should worry more about his Wolverines than anyone else. Comparing Spaz and Daz is apples and oranges and he knows that. The program is doing just fine and considering BC is not a Marquee 15 program, it is going in the direction we want it......8-4, 9-3 records, hopefully a solid win or two over a Power 5 first division program and bowl games against reasonable opponents. If I'm a Michigan fan I am more worried about where that program is heading, even with Harbaugh. They are a Marquee 15 program but they are probably #15 or on the outside looking in and they have lots of people to jump over before they reach the Holy Grail they all covet.
As for next year, with that schedule, they should be 8-4. Unfortunately I don't see a marquee win. Va Tech is falling to earth fast as Beamer I think is overstaying his tenure. Would be nice to beat ND at Fenway in that "road" game they have.
Fair enough. I was also trying to address the question about this years class. Many of these recruits were targeted early and it's a pretty big class. As such, I think this class will give us an early indication of the staffs ability to evaluate talent. We got a glimpse last year.
I'll play along.
This class is weaker than I expected it to be, in that it is empty of top end talent. I would think if you combined the last two classes, clearly Hilliman and Landry would be the best two players in the group, and no one in this class is close to them. From a depth standpoint, they're pretty good. Most kids have good offers, the ones who don't really seem like cases where we were on them before they got noticed by others. There really aren't any you just shake your head at. I'm not sure what that means about Daz the recruiter. He's not an ace, it seems, but most of the aces seem to be at the schools that sell themselves - the Clemsons and Floridas and Ohio States and Michigans and Texas', et al...
Here's what I would say is a reasonable evaluation of Daz:
This class is weaker than I expected it to be, in that it is empty of top end talent. I would think if you combined the last two classes, clearly Hilliman and Landry would be the best two players in the group, and no one in this class is close to them. From a depth standpoint, they're pretty good. Most kids have good offers, the ones who don't really seem like cases where we were on them before they got noticed by others. There really aren't any you just shake your head at. I'm not sure what that means about Daz the recruiter. He's not an ace, it seems, but most of the aces seem to be at the schools that sell themselves - the Clemsons and Floridas and Ohio States and Michigans and Texas', et al...
Here's what I would say is a reasonable evaluation of Daz:
- Has a very good sense of what he wants and can get recruiting-wise; his classes have been deep, the players have filled the roster of 7 win teams in both years. When Spaz did it, he was using Jags/TOB players. As soon as their guys were gone, it was 3 win seasons.
- Terrible game manager, the story as I have heard it is the guy is so hyped up on the sideline that he loses it when it comes to tactical stuff in-game.
- Excellent at getting them up to play, very few no-shows, some outstanding efforts both home and on the road against legitimate teams.
- Probably an 8 win coach. Maybe in years they are heavy on seniors they make a run at an ACC title.
- He's probably the ideal BC coach at this point in time; we're in a media savvy time, guys like the Hen (TOB) that couldn't handle social media and real program selling I think would struggle more in today's ESPN driven world.
- He needs his version of Steve Logan at OC - I think he thought he had it in Ryan Day, I believe he was wrong, if he gets the right guy calling offensive plays and developing offensive talent, could be even better than an 8 win coach.
Look you guys know I bleed maroon and gold more then The average aging eagle, in fact I'm wearing a BC basketball hoodie as I watch the golf playoff. I think that Big Sox and 463 have it right. Daz is the right guy for the right time, and I think that he has been recruiting for need and depth. The problem is that thankfully most of Spaz's recruits have washed out and transferred to where they have a legit chance to play ie: Div 2 and FCS. I agree that Daz is the excitable boy and looses track of time and to's. I've said before it must be in the building because ToBY and Spaz would fuck up the end of halfs and games. I think the key now is who comes in as OC, love to see him reach out and go after Paul Petersen
I've never liked rankings as a metric, specifically for a team like BC that has great difficulty getting high-end recruits yet has been able to achieve a high level sustained success (at least until Spaz nuked the program) and put an absurd amount of first rounders and overall NFL players in the league given their overall rankings, so you're lumping me in with them even though I never made the argument. I think their highest ranking in the 2000s within the ACC was 6th while they continually outplayed "better recruiting" counterparts like FSU on the field, again until Spaz nuked the program. Now Daz is trying to restock it with young, athletic talent and has had considerable success doing so, especially by filling in gaps by getting 5th year transfers, as he did again this year in getting one of the top pass rushers from FCS for a 5th year.
Regarding the hostility, the last time you came in here talking about recruiting rankings you proceeded to create the same level of chaos and shitstorm to the degree that I wasn't exactly thrilled to see WayBackVazquez as the last poster in the BC football thread because you come off as a smug asshole, at least to me. Said chaos and shitstorm has commenced once again, partly because of me and others, partly because you're don't exactly seem to be coming in here looking for an honest discussion.
And Michigan does kinda suck now. Much like BC kinda sucks now. It's borne out in their records. No amount of pleated pants optimism will change that.
Regarding the hostility, the last time you came in here talking about recruiting rankings you proceeded to create the same level of chaos and shitstorm to the degree that I wasn't exactly thrilled to see WayBackVazquez as the last poster in the BC football thread because you come off as a smug asshole, at least to me. Said chaos and shitstorm has commenced once again, partly because of me and others, partly because you're don't exactly seem to be coming in here looking for an honest discussion.
And Michigan does kinda suck now. Much like BC kinda sucks now. It's borne out in their records. No amount of pleated pants optimism will change that.
WR coach Todd Fitch named OC and former Florida coach Brian White hired as a position coach. White comes in with a good reputation in recruiting.
Agree BSF. BC will never be in the playoff or a New Years 6 bowl unless they outrank FSU, Clemson, Lou, GT, VT and Miami all in the same year.....kind of tough odds.BigSoxFan said:
What does the new OC mean in terms of offensive innovation? Is it just a front for Daz who will essentially be calling the plays and designing the schemes? Not sure that is a recipe for major success to be honest.
He was the OC at ECU, USF and UConn before they were D1. The BC bio makes him seem impressive enough, especially with QBs.
So it's time for a bump. BC breaks through with its first 4 star recruit in awhile, Ohio LB Ethan Tucky. No 11 player in Ohio and 21st rated LB in the country.
BC has had a good run of beating out Wisconsin for recruits this year.
BC has had a good run of beating out Wisconsin for recruits this year.
Bigger worry is the impact of a DREADFUL home schedule and what will be awful attendance all season. This is a Bates and Daz special - Bates is taking a lot of heat from people above him for the schedule because projected ticket revenue is significantly down.
I just hope this doesn't affect recruits. I have to think the scene at the USC game and the Clemson game and the Louisville games made quite an impact on recruits. This season has a Friday night game against FSU and very little else.
That being said, if they get a QB out of Wade or Brown, they're set up for a few years of being pretty damn good. Hilliman and Willis and Outlow lay us out as a good running team so long as Daz and Frye can keep the OL usable.
I just hope this doesn't affect recruits. I have to think the scene at the USC game and the Clemson game and the Louisville games made quite an impact on recruits. This season has a Friday night game against FSU and very little else.
That being said, if they get a QB out of Wade or Brown, they're set up for a few years of being pretty damn good. Hilliman and Willis and Outlow lay us out as a good running team so long as Daz and Frye can keep the OL usable.
Agree. Looking at the schedule over the next couple of years, it doesn't look all that great. Stanford has openings in '16 and '17 I believe. Why not get on that schedule? They should be playing their 8 conference games, an FCS game, Power 5 first division opponent/ND/USC/BYU and 2 games against the MWC/AAC/Service academy group. If you saw a schedule of the ACC, UMass, ND, San Jose State say and Army or Tulane, that would be a relatively good schedule and those sorts of schedules going forward would be acceptable I think. 2015 is abysmal and is a really hard sell. Notwithstanding that, if they go 4-4 in the conference and 3-1 in OOC, they make a bowl game again, most likely the Belk or Armed Forces Bowl. We already have the season mapped out.BigSoxFan said:
On another note, I wonder how many people will trek to Ireland for the Ga Tech game. They gave up a home date for that. So I think BB has his work cut out for him scheduling wise. So far, his schedule making is eh to poor.
Interesting set up as it is the same as when BC and the Pats used to play in Fenway in the 50s and 60s. The only thing missing are the temporary stands that were set up along the green monster. Also, sitting along the first base line actually are good seats and the skyboxes and monster seats will be the prime seats.
The 2016 schedule is starting to shape up.....and its looking not much better than 2015. So far, the schedule consists of:
Home
Syracuse
Louisville
Clemson
Buffalo
UMass
Neutral-Ga. Tech (Ireland)
Road
FSU
NC State
Va Tech
Wake
Northern Illinois
They have one open date to fill. Unless they move the NIU game off to 2017, this is what you have to look forward to. Over the next 2 years, their OOC schedule consists of:
Howard
Maine
UMass
NIU (2)
ND
Buffalo
TBD (1)
I am not a season ticket holder so the Shea Field stuff means nothing to me. But there is no OOC game currently on the schedule that I have any interest in attending. The ND game would be cool but I am not a multi thousand dollar donor nor am I on ND's list of preferential alums/sponsors that will have access to the Fenway game. I have to say that as a talent evaluator for coaches, he seems OK, but Bates is failing miserably as a schedule maker. It is starting to look as though he can't get BC on any reasonable Power 5 or AAC/MWC schedule. Jeez.....
Home
Syracuse
Louisville
Clemson
Buffalo
UMass
Neutral-Ga. Tech (Ireland)
Road
FSU
NC State
Va Tech
Wake
Northern Illinois
They have one open date to fill. Unless they move the NIU game off to 2017, this is what you have to look forward to. Over the next 2 years, their OOC schedule consists of:
Howard
Maine
UMass
NIU (2)
ND
Buffalo
TBD (1)
I am not a season ticket holder so the Shea Field stuff means nothing to me. But there is no OOC game currently on the schedule that I have any interest in attending. The ND game would be cool but I am not a multi thousand dollar donor nor am I on ND's list of preferential alums/sponsors that will have access to the Fenway game. I have to say that as a talent evaluator for coaches, he seems OK, but Bates is failing miserably as a schedule maker. It is starting to look as though he can't get BC on any reasonable Power 5 or AAC/MWC schedule. Jeez.....
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Depends on your definition of suck. I think the defense is going to be pretty improved this year. They've quietly improved the DL and secondary the last few classes.BigSoxFan said:
On the offensive side of the ball it will depend on the OL. There's a lot of turnover so it's hard to know what to expect. I think Hilliman will continue to improve and there's a lot of depth at RB. Wade is a wild card obviously.
I think we see a similar season to past years with a 6 or 7 win season.
Murphy was Superman, but he couldn't throw the ball to save his life. The team will lose his explosiveness, sure, but if Wade can keep defenses more honest that goes a long way toward making up the difference, especially given BC's running game is still good even without Murphy.
FYI Wade is a true sophomore based on the (very limited) run he got in the UMass, Maine and Louisville games last year.
Finally Gameday and I have no clue what to expect other then a shot of Bushmills before we head into Alumni
OL is very young and raw. Agree that this team will need the D to keep it in games while the offense figures stuff out.BigSoxFan said:
I thought Wade looked pretty good but is still young.
Did you watch a different game than I did? Maine was stacking 8 guys in the box, and BC couldn't capitalize because Wade couldn't hit the broad side of the barn. They ultimately gave up on the pass and wore Maine down with the ground game, even though they knew it was coming. That's not going to work against FBS competition.Dave Stapleton said:
Hopefully, the bad throws were just jitters -- he didn't win the starting job as a sophomore without being able to throw the ball. But I didn't take anything positive from his performance today.
Fair enough. My expectations were low and I thought he showed generally good touch on his throws, particularly when rolling out.maufman said:
We are still waiting to see some improvement at the WR spot.
Was the ESPN3 crew calling him Dan Brown for the entire first half? I admittedly stopped listening closely after halftime so it may have continued.
Heard Josh Keyes made the Bucs too
As for the game I thought the first half set football back to the days of Woody Hayes, only instead of 3 yards and a cloud of dust it was a 3 yard loss in a cloud of dust. Thought the O line looked awful when you've got fucking UMO linemen getting in the backfield what can we expect for FSU in a week. Wade looked like a true soph getting his first start, great to see Bobby Sweigert back on the field after all the surgeries, and that's with his family trying to keep Kevorkian away from him
Best thing about Sats game vs Moe Howard University is that I'm playing in a senior softball tourament on the Cape and will have to pass on going
As for the game I thought the first half set football back to the days of Woody Hayes, only instead of 3 yards and a cloud of dust it was a 3 yard loss in a cloud of dust. Thought the O line looked awful when you've got fucking UMO linemen getting in the backfield what can we expect for FSU in a week. Wade looked like a true soph getting his first start, great to see Bobby Sweigert back on the field after all the surgeries, and that's with his family trying to keep Kevorkian away from him
Best thing about Sats game vs Moe Howard University is that I'm playing in a senior softball tourament on the Cape and will have to pass on going
Anyone with any insight as to why BC is playing 2 FCS opponents? Seems really odd for an ACC team to do that.