2014 World Juniors
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The USA "throwback" sweaters need to be the full time sweaters. So much better than the current ones.
Not sure if this is right, but I think the loser of this game (if in regulation) will have to face Russia in the quarters.
(Looks like it depends on outcome of Fin-Sui game. If Finns get a point, they are 2nd)
(Looks like it depends on outcome of Fin-Sui game. If Finns get a point, they are 2nd)
USA carrying the play early, with shots 9-2 in favor of the Red, White, and Blue.
Canada has started slow in most of their games, but picked it up in the second and third, so we'll see if that trend continues.
Canada has started slow in most of their games, but picked it up in the second and third, so we'll see if that trend continues.
Americans seem better organized defensively. They are not allowing combination play in the zone.
Whereas the US had control for most of thee first Canada had the play in the second. With the late Canada penalty in the 2nd, US starts the third with the advantage.
Just go hme from work and turned it on. Tough goal to let up for the USA, but you can't give this team PP chances.
This is my first real look at Eichel. Man, is he impressive....
And it looks like penalties are going to doom the USA. 3-1 Canada
And it looks like penalties are going to doom the USA. 3-1 Canada
Some ticky-tack calls going against US - which is giving Canada all the momentum (and now a 2 goal lead). Canada can't play with USA 5-5..so the US giving them so many power play chances is disheartening.
Amazing that there's no PP for the US team after the no goal - the Canadian defender absolutely dropped someone who was celebrating.
TheRealness said:
Furcale and the refs are the only reason this isn't at least a tied game (or a USA lead).
Bummer. The US certainly has its work cut out for it now if it wants to defend its title: Russia in the quarters, (probably) Sweden in the semis, and (probably) Canada in the finals. That's a tough road.
Canada gets Switzerland, the Czech Republic/Finland winner, and the Sweden/Russia/US/Slovakia winner.
Canada gets Switzerland, the Czech Republic/Finland winner, and the Sweden/Russia/US/Slovakia winner.
DeltaForce said:
If Finland wins or forces OT, it's USA-Russia. If Switzerland wins in regulation, I believe the US get the Swiss with Finland finishing in 4th. (It's 3-3 in the third right now.)
I don't think so, at least as I read the tiebreaker rules. In a three-team tie, you take common games to eliminate one team (here, Switzerland), and the remaining tied teams are ranked by a head-to-head tiebreaker (Finland over Russia).ForceAtHome said:
DeltaForce said:
In this scenario, Switzerland would have beaten Finland, Finland beat Russia, and Russia beat Switzerland. So they split there. The next tie breaker is goal differential. Russia would win that to get second in the group behind Sweden. Since it then become a two-team tie, it's back to H2H where Switzerland would have the edge over Finland. That would mean the Swiss would have finished 3rd with a regulation win.
It went OT though, so the US gets Russia. Canada gets the Swiss.
It's moot, as you said, but I love trying to figure out scenarios, so bear with me here:ForceAtHome said:
The goal differential tiebreaker in a three-way tie is used only to eliminate the third team. (So, let's assume that Switzerland had won 4-3 in regulation. All three teams split their games, but the goal differential in those games would have been +3 for Russia, +2 for Finland, and -5 for Switerzland. So, Switzerland finishes fourth). Once the "third team" is eliminated, the tiebreaker for the remaining two would have been head-to-head, with Finland beating Russia. That's why I think Finland would have finished second even had they lost (in a non-blowout) today.
Again, though, it's moot.
Here's the complete tiebreaker rule from http://www.worldjunior2014.com/en/information/tournament-format/:
DeltaForce said:
My interpretation of those rules is that the team with the best goal differential breaks the tie. Since the rules word it as "the better goal difference" being "decisive" I have taken that to mean the top team (here it is Russia as you noted) wins the tie breaker. That puts them into second. That leaves Finland and Switzerland left, and the Swiss (in this scenario) beat the Finns H2H.
Interesting! I'm not sure you're right, and I'm not sure you're wrong, but . . . I'm starting to think you're right. I had assumed that the three-team tiebreaker rule was used to eliminate one team, not elevate one. Now I really wish Switzerland had won in regulation, just to see what the IIHF meant.ForceAtHome said:
(Actually, looking at it again in light of the language you mentioned, I'm convinced you're right.)
Regardless of fun hypothetical situations, the US will get Russia. The road to gold looks likely to go through Russia, Sweden, then Canada.
Team USA plays Russia on January 2. The semifinals are the 4th, and finals on the 5th.
Team USA plays Russia on January 2. The semifinals are the 4th, and finals on the 5th.
Looks like you get the first game of the quarters, so set the alarm. I won't be getting up but will be rooting for the Imperialist Pigdogs all the same.ForceAtHome said:
Canada plays third, Sweden plays last.
With both goalies looking shaky, the U.S. leads Russia 3-2 after the first period. Sadly I can't watch all this one.
In the 2nd, Russia scored 2 goals both on 5-3 advantages to take a 4-3 lead going into the third.
Saw the last 5 minutes of this game with my dentist. Getting a filling, he took a time out from the procedure and we watched the rest of the game. The fourth Russian goal was scored on a 5 on 3 advantage after the US was penalized for shooting the puck the length of the ice and over the glass but replays showed that the puck actually hit the top of the glass before deflecting out. Should not have been a penalty, oh for a challenge flag if you are a U.S. fan.
What a bunch of dickbags the Russians are.
Is this commentary on the game, or the last 100-odd years? Was it Gilles or Stolarz in net?
Is this commentary on the game, or the last 100-odd years? Was it Gilles or Stolarz in net?
http://www.usahockey.com/news_article/show/324062?referrer_id=752796
Gillies was in net and he didn't look sharp to me. The Russian goalie was shaky in the first period but settled down.
Gillies was in net and he didn't look sharp to me. The Russian goalie was shaky in the first period but settled down.
In the second quarter-final of the day, Finland with an empty net goal defeated the Czechs 5-3 to advance to the semi-finals. Canada now squares off against the Swiss. The Finns will play the winner of this game in the semi-finals. It should be an interesting game as the Swiss reportedly have the best goaltender in the tournament.