2014 Ravens: Jailhouse Rock
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I'm interested to follow this team over the next 5 or so years. I'm of the opinion that Ozzie should have let Flacco walk as a free agent, publicity be damned, and start over trying to build a contender instead of paying a mediocre QB $20M a year. Instead I think the team is going to be stuck in mediocrity (or maybe worse) for a while and won't sniff a title. Of course St. Oz can do no wrong in the public eye, but I see this franchise fading from playoff relevance for a while.
When reached for comment, Lorenzo Taliaferro's agent reportedly said:
Taliaferro had a small chance of winning the RB job with a strong camp and offseason performance. Rice is on thin legal ice, Pierce was a disappointment last season...all Taliaferro had to do was show up, work hard and seize the opportunity.
Instead, stupid.
Taliaferro had a small chance of winning the RB job with a strong camp and offseason performance. Rice is on thin legal ice, Pierce was a disappointment last season...all Taliaferro had to do was show up, work hard and seize the opportunity.
Instead, stupid.
Should we have a game thread in either the Patriots' Game Threads or P&G forums for NFL players run ins with the law? Maybe with first post that gets updated with a list of all the players broken down by team? There are just so many, it's difficult to keep track.
The thread title is too appropriate.
Jacoby Jones, Bernard Pierce "escorted out" of nightclub for being "too drunk".
Even with this latest effort, Pierce is lagging behind in the Ravens RB off-season activities.
Jacoby Jones, Bernard Pierce "escorted out" of nightclub for being "too drunk".
Even with this latest effort, Pierce is lagging behind in the Ravens RB off-season activities.
Holy crap. I just clicked on one of the "Live Cams" on the Seacrets website, and it appears a sports radio show is hosting Ravens Gameday right now live from Seacrets.
I mean, one of the last times I was there a buddy tried to take control/wrestle the camera away from a camera man shooting the live feed, and we weren't asked to leave.
EDIT: And as my wife just reminded me, not only were we not asked to leave, but they gave us a free round of shots.
I mean, one of the last times I was there a buddy tried to take control/wrestle the camera away from a camera man shooting the live feed, and we weren't asked to leave.
EDIT: And as my wife just reminded me, not only were we not asked to leave, but they gave us a free round of shots.
I agree with this, I think. But at least the Flacco contract is at the most important position on the field, and Flacco is solidly average and has never missed a start. I think the team could handle the Flacco deal if it hadn't also given out backloaded cap-killing deals to a bunch of other guys as well. Cap hits this year:tims4wins said:
Ngata $16m
Flacco $14.8m
Webb $10.5m
Rice $8.75m
Yanda $8.45m
Suggs $7.8m
That's pretty top-heavy, plus only Yanda saves any money against the cap if cut. I think Webb is worth that amount but I'm not sure any of the others are at their ages, even Ngata.
I don't know anything about their draft picks this year but they're going to need to hit on more than a couple to be competitive.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
NFL is suspending Ravens RB Ray Rice for the first two games this season, per sources. The suspension is expected to be announced today.
What a joke.
NFL is suspending Ravens RB Ray Rice for the first two games this season, per sources. The suspension is expected to be announced today.
What a joke.
Two divisional games (Cincy and Pittsburgh). The suspension is light in terms of games but certainly will hurt the Ravens.
adam42381 said:
Relax. We don't know what truly transpired in that elevator. All we know is that he struck her and knocked her unconscious. What if she had it coming and was doing something totally outrageous....like smoking pot.
This doesn't help the Ravens since Ray Rice sucks, but shows once again why the NFL discipline policy is a farce. Good point I read elsewhere is that Ray will be back just in time for the NFL to do its annual breast cancer fundraise/PR showing how the NFL cares so much about females. Just a total joke.
Which is hilarious as well. Especially enjoyed the Colts cutting Brazil for getting suspended for substance abuse.
Just a total joke.
Which is hilarious as well. Especially enjoyed the Colts cutting Brazil for getting suspended for substance abuse.
Just a total joke.
If the NFL goes ahead in the next two weeks and bans Josh Gordon for a full season, they better catch a ton of grief. I'd expect some commentators would defend it based on "multiple violations" and "he also had a DUI this offseason", but the idea that a drug that has now been legalized by popular vote in some form or another in multiple states should ever lead to a full season ban is so backwards. When you can't even bother to give Rice the same length as Roethlisberger got, I'd hope there will be at least some forward thinking or re-examination of how to handle marijuana cases in 2014.
redsahx said:
I disagree. The issue is not WHAT he used, the issue is that HE USED. He was already "in the program". He had already been suspended. He chose to use. And he got caught.
I think that if a player who has never been in the substance abuse program is suspended for pot, you'd have a point.
But Blackmon and Gordon were not suspended for using pot. They were suspended for using. Period. They chose, poorly.
What I was trying to get at was perhaps they should revisit "the program". I'm not going to defend the decision-making skills of Josh Gordon, and perhaps I should clarify that I'm not asking the NFL to let him off scot-free (especially because of the DUI on top of it). However, does the NFL really need to be banning people for entire seasons over marijuana (something Gordon was facing before the DUI incident came along). I'm not a marijuana advocate by any means, I'm just not sure the NFL really needs to be treating its use by a player as a very serious offense, even if they happen to be in the drug program for smoking it in the first place. I'd worry more about what team doctors might be putting into players to keep them on the field, but that's another issue. I personally don't care if guys I watch playing a brutal game smoke on the side. I do care if they abuse females.
I didn't think I blessed DUI, but I did screw up on a couple of points. My hypotehtical about some commentators was poorly done, because the DUI on top of everything else does point to Gordon having serious issues. I was more upset at the idea that someone could get suspended for a full season for multiple marijuana violations, while being on camera assaulting your wife or girlfriend is only worth two. If the primary argument in favor of suspending Gordon at this point is the DUI on top of everything else, then I can't argue with that (though the poor wording of my original post certainly indicated that I would)
CaptainLaddie said:
Goodell is a double-talking coward. An absolute embarrassment for the sport.
Meanwhile, if any ladies here have an extra $60 burning a hole in their purses...
I can't wait for him to appeal it and have it dropped to 1 game.
The NFL and the NFLPA should be embarrassed about this whole issue. Wearing pink gloves and shoes for a month to show the NFL cares about women, then does nothing about domestic abuse by their players is a joke.
The NFL and the NFLPA should be embarrassed about this whole issue. Wearing pink gloves and shoes for a month to show the NFL cares about women, then does nothing about domestic abuse by their players is a joke.
redsahx said:
There's a thread on Gordon and a thread on Blackmon and I think your POV would be more appropriate in those threads.
But again, I disagree with the bolded sentence. The NFL does "need to be banning" players who repeatedly chose to violate the substance abuse program. Absent some consequence, Gordon or Blackmon could be the next Leonard Little.
In any employment situation, there are rules that must be followed or your job could be in jeopardy. It is misguided to make the Gordon or Blackmon suspensions about pot. They are likely going to be banned for life from the NFL for repeatedly making bad decisions, even after being given "second chances". The NFL, in the case of Gordon and Blackmon, is NOT "treating [marijuana] use by players as a very serious offense". The NFL, in the case of Gordon and Blackmon, is treating multiple violations of a "don't do that" rule like violations of a "don't do that" rule.
Again, if you personally think that pot should not be on the list of the NFL's banned substances, I would agree. But this is NOT about that. It is about a repeated inability to follow the rules. And the resulting dangerous behavior that these men chose to engage in.
mabrowndog said:
What a jerkstore.
What does he have to gain by even making a comment, even if he does like abusers, outside of looking like a jackass?
Reminds me of my neighbor growing up who got 3 DUIs before 18 and ended up in jail, his father's answer: "Oh you know, boys will be boys!"
Does it come with a bulls-eye patch for her chin?mabrowndog said:
Goodell is a double-talking coward. An absolute embarrassment for the sport.
Meanwhile, if any ladies here have an extra $60 burning a hole in their purses...
Seriously, 2 games is a joke; Goddell is a clown; John Harbaugh is a fool; and Ray Rice is tool.
RIrooter09 said:
Ed Hillel said:
Everyone says this but their entire offense was bad. They had no receivers and the offense line was awful. Is Bernard Pierce a shell of his former self? He's 23, rushed for 4.9 ypc in 2012 but only 2.9 in 2013. Rice ran for 3.1 ypc last year and has a 4.3 ypc career average. That's less of a drop than Pierce showed.
Rice looked bad last year but so was everyone who tried to run the ball for them.
Unfortunately (or fortunately as the case may be), they didn't upgrade at the QB position so they will be fighting an uphill battle to contend. Sometimes lightning strikes like in 2012, but I wouldn't bet on it striking twice with (below) average Joe at the helm.dcmissle said:
That's fair. I was not commenting on their playoff chances. Just the thought that losing Rice for 2 games puts them in a deep hole. Perception always lags reality with players. People here probably remember the Ray Rice who gouged them. He's not the same guy, and they start this season with more weapons than last.Stitch01 said:
mabrowndog said:
His brother gets more abuse due to his bag of dicks act on the sideline during games, but John really is a shithead.
To quote an old hacky line; "It's best to remain silent and thought the fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I'm surprised at how little conversation this minor suspension has generated on SoSH. My read is that Richie Incognito would have been better off punching Jonathan Martin's mother in the face than texting him racist comments. And Donald Sterling would have been better off kicking the shit out of V. Stiviano rather than telling her who she can be seen with.
I am shocked and horrified to see him get off with a 2 game suspension.
I am shocked and horrified to see him get off with a 2 game suspension.
I think it's learned helplessness. I haven't posted 'cuz I can't think of anything to add.Montana Fan said:
When it happened, we had a thread saying this is completely fucked, but just watch him get a lesser fine than smoking pot.
And it happened.
It really, really pisses me off, but I've been at a loss for anything interesting to say about it except something along the lines of shouting "MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!"
But then again, perhaps you have a point--maybe there is a time to post MOTHERFUCKER!!!! Just so people don't get the wrong idea.
Fuck Ray Rice and fuck Harbaugh.
Well how much discussion can be had regarding this. Everyone, hopefully, ses this one the same way.Montana Fan said:
Exactly.8slim said:
He won't be. And that sucks.
Bob Ryan faced a stiffer professional penalty for making a quip about smacking Jason Kidd's wife than Kidd ever did for actually beating her.
Talk radio was full of shit about how you don't talk about another man's wife that way. Made me nuts.
The NFL's reaction is beyond awful, but as others have said, it's so clearly awful that there's not much to discuss. Protect the shield my ass, the shield protects monsters.Montana Fan said:
BannedbyNYYFans.com said:
Or selling college memorabiliaRIrooter09 said:Or kissing another woman!
Seriously, this is the final fucking straw for me. I am done watching football. Fuck these guys.
The NFL sucks for this, and I am no fan of the organization and Goodell, but it's worth pointing out that DV incidents in other sports (and the world in general) have been dealt with largely the same way. Jason Kidd was mentioned upthread - he plead guilty but I don't believe was suspended (correct me if I'm wrong). Brett Myers hit his wife on a public street and took a short "leave of absence." Semyon Varlamov assaulted his girlfriend last season and received no sanction from the NHL.JayMags71 said:
The hypocrisy is perhaps more pronounced in the NFL, but it's a problem everywhere. "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" and all that.
