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B H Kim said:
Michigan State is ranked 18th by KenPom. They should be in. The team I don’t think should be in is Virginia.
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KenPom is not a good metric for postseason assignment, because KenPom's objective is to tell you how good a team is. Not how good their season was. In KenPom's system five 1-point wins and a 5 point loss is treated identically to one 5 point win and five 1 point losses. The committee can't do that. For example, KenPom says that Michigan St is better than Kentucky. They probably are. But if they were seeded higher it would have been a travesty.
 
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Hubert-coached team blew a 15 point lead in a natty and just lost to a terrible team that's been playing since Tuesday. Lots of questions remain about whether he's the guy or not.
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You may be right, but I wouldn't use these as the two reasons..
In the National championship game I think it was more of a surprise that UNC was up 15 at half than that they blew a lead. Kansas was loaded that year and the heavy favorite..and my memory of UNC's run was that it was more of a surprise. And at some point your team has to score to win the game... UNC shot 21.7% from three.

NC State this week was not playing anywhere close to how they've played the rest of the year...

I guess what I would question about Hubert was how well he can recruit... this team feels pretty devoid of talent beyond RJ Davis and Baycot at times.. and Baycot could not guard Burns Jr to save his life. Don't watch them closely enough to know if Hubert had any option on the bench to help out.. but it again feels like UNC sort of performed above expectations beyond losing in the final of their conference championship.
 
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Mountain West got fucked. CSU as a play-in? They best Creighton easily at a neutral site. Total garbage.
 
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B H Kim said:
Michigan State is ranked 18th by KenPom. They should be in. The team I don’t think should be in is Virginia.
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Michigan State and Virginia are also football schools. St John’s, Seton Hall and Providence aren’t. Big East got screwed but that’s why BC Pitt and UConn left in the first place. Football money rules everything.
 
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lars10 said:
You may be right, but I wouldn't use these as the two reasons..
In the National championship game I think it was more of a surprise that UNC was up 15 at half than that they blew a lead. Kansas was loaded that year and the heavy favorite..and my memory of UNC's run was that it was more of a surprise. And at some point your team has to score to win the game... UNC shot 21.7% from three.

NC State this week was not playing anywhere close to how they've played the rest of the year...

I guess what I would question about Hubert was how well he can recruit... this team feels pretty devoid of talent beyond RJ Davis and Baycot at times.. and Baycot could not guard Burns Jr to save his life. Don't watch them closely enough to know if Hubert had any option on the bench to help out.. but it again feels like UNC sort of performed above expectations beyond losing in the final of their conference championship.
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A page or two back I questioned their depth in short turnaround situations and there are definitely holes on the roster below the starting five. He's done all right in the portal and they do have a very good high school class coming in next year. I
 
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Duquesne going dancing for the first time since 1977 and it's expected to be announced today that Keith Dambrot will be retiring when it's over.
 
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So I wanted to compare where the analytics say teams should be seeded based on the season they had vs where they actually were seeded. Anything within 1 seed is fine IMO, because the committee has to move teams around based on various reasons that have nothing to do with basketball resume. Using ESPN's BPI to determine how challenging it was for each team to accumulate the record they did..

ESPN 1 seeds (and actual seed):
Houston (1)
UConn (1)
Purdue (1)
Iowa State (2)

ESPN 2 seeds (and actual seed):
UNC (1)
Marquette (2)
Tennessee (2)
Illinois (3)

ESPN 3 seeds (and actual seed):
Baylor (3)
Auburn (4)
South Carolina (6)
Kansas (4)

Comment: South Carolina shows as underseeded here. I can see the argument, they have the same SEC record as Kentucky, a better overall record, and beat UK head-to-head, but UK got the 3 seed instead.

ESPN 4 seeds (and actual seed):
Arizona (2)
Creighton (3)
Alabama (4)
Duke (4)

Comment: Arizons shows as overseeded.

ESPN 5 seeds (and actual seed):
Texas Tech (6)
Florida (7)
Wisconsin (5)
Kentucky (3)

Comment: Florida underseeded, UK overseeded. Not sure why

ESPN 6 seeds (and actual seed):
BYU (6)
Gonzaga (5)
Utah State (8)
Nebraska (8)

Comment: Utah St and Nebraska overseeded

ESPN 7 seeds (and actual seed):
Dayton (7)
TCU (9)
Northwestern (9)
Oklahoma (OUT)

Comment: TCU and Northwestern underseeded. In general the metrics really like the Big-12. Thinks Oklahoma should have gotten in even with a losing conference record.

ESPN 8 seeds (and actual seed):
Virginia (10)
San Diego St (5)
Nevada (10)
Texas (7)

Comment: San Diego St. way overseeded, probably based on last year. Virginia and Nevada a little underseeded.

ESPN 9 seeds (and actual seed):
James Madison (12)
Washington St (7)
Clemson (6)
Colorado (10)

Comment: This grouping is a mess.

ESPN 10 seeds (and actual seed):
Seton Hall (OUT)
Mississippi St (8)
Indiana State (OUT)
Florida Atlantic (8)
Princeton (OUT)
Drake (10)

Comment: FAU, like SDSU, carries over some benefits from last year.

ESPN 11 seeds (and actual seed):
Oregon (11)
Saint Mary's (5)
Grand Canyon (12)
NC State (11)

Comment: Saint Mary's hilariously overseeded.

ESPN 12 seeds (and actual seed):
New Mexico (11)
McNeese (12)
Vermont (13)
Samford (13)

ESPN 13 seeds (and actual seed):
Duquesne (11)
Charleston (13)
Yale (13)
UAB (12)

ESPN 14 seeds (and actual seed):
Oakland (14)
Akron (14)
Morehead St (14)
Colgate (14)

ESPN 15 seeds (and actual seed):
Western Kentucky (15)
Stetson (16)
South Dakota St (15)
Long Beach St (15)

ESPN 16 seeds (and actual seed):
Longwood (16)
St Peters (15)
Grambling (16)
Howard (16)
Montana St (16)
Wagner (16)

SHOULD BE IN by metrics: Oklahoma, Seton Hall, Indiana St, Princeton
SHOULD BE OUT by metrics: CSU, Michigan St, Boise St, Texas A&M
 
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If we got rid of auto bids, NC State doesn’t make it. They ended up in the final four. One of the great parts of March Madness IMO is that entering the conference tournaments, every team in the country still has a shot to win it all.
 
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