Red Sox signing Liam Hendriks

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Sets them up to move Jansen or Martin if Hendriks is recovering well as the break approaches.
 
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Great move. Not sure how much he’ll have left but I’ve always liked Hendriks as a player (and a dude, from what I can tell) and I’m glad he will have been a Red Sox.
 
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Somehow I completely missed he was a free agent. He's easy to root for and was very effective before the cancer and injuries. I hope he can make another comeback.
 
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“Will be a 60 man IL so no 40 immediate man implications.”

Not quite true, you need a 40 man spot to add him, then you can put him on the 60 day with a subsequent move, like NY just did with Lou Trivino.
 
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Wow, I know he's older and recovering from surgery, but this guy has been great and that's not too much $ to bet on his return to greatness. I'm excited.
 
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Recovering from TJ. Aiming for a return after the All Star break.

Will be a 60 man IL so no 40 immediate man implications.

2 years 10million.

Essentially eating 5mm to have a really great closer at an 5 AAV for 2025.

Love the move.
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He had TJS in early August of 2023. So there's a chance he'll be able to appear at some point in the second half this year.

You have to wonder if the Sox still have a good reputation for rehabbing arms, given, most recently, James Paxton's choosing to exercise his much cheaper $4M option to stay with Boston.
 
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Fishy1 said:
Sets them up to move Jansen or Martin if Hendriks is recovering well as the break approaches.
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“Will be a 60 man IL so no 40 immediate man implications.”

Not quite true, you need a 40 man spot to add him, then you can put him on the 60 day with a subsequent move, like NY just did with Lou Trivino.
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Right, but they have that spot open. So whenever they add someone they’ll place him on the 60.

So it doesn’t have a 40 man implication on future additions.
 
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Great low-risk signing and it sounds like he’s a tremendous person.

Research and support for adolescent and young adult cancer -- defined as patients ages 15 to 39 -- is wildly underfunded, and the Hendrikses want to change that. Their first time at Mayo Clinic, they had seen a shop with dozens of mannequin heads topped with wigs. While Hendriks did not lose his hair, plenty of people do -- and many among them can't afford a wig that can offer dignity and comfort and the sort of positive feelings Hendriks and Kristi believe helped him through the process. Insurance often doesn't cover the cost, either. The Hendrikses asked the hospital how many total wigs they had in stock and what they would cost. When told, they cut a check for $24,000 and asked Mayo Clinic to distribute them to anyone for whom the cost would be prohibitive.
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I love this even if he never ends up throwing a pitch for the team.
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Same. Easy guy to root for, loves a good F-bomb, could end up being tremendous value. Not pronouncing R's won't be an issue. Great signing all around.

We will need a new Buchholz filter around here ASAP though.
 
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Hendriks and Michael Fulmer on cheap short term deals in 2025 is very interesting. That's a lot of fire power.

This is essentially a 1 year $10mm deal with incentives that has the benefit of being a $5mm AAV. It's clever.

I expect them to be very slow with him given what his body has been through the last 18 months
 
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Once again, Breslow makes a move that nobody saw coming. We should get used to this. The guessing is fun but in reality none of us knows what they are talking about internally.
 
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If the Red Sox are really staying under $225 this makes it hard to see them signing Montgomery. The last move left I suspect is Duvall/Pham.
We are not likely to be competitive in '24 but you never really know since there is a lot of volatility between pre-season predictions and actual results.
What the hell is the point given the Red Sox starting rotation. Why are we signing a reliever? Is the whole point of this season to unload guys at the trade deadline for prospects?
In the abstract this is an OK move - but if this is how the Red Sox are spending payroll under new and lower limits I don't get it. I would have rather had either Lugo or Wacha.

The ability of the Red Sox to avoid their obvious problem is incredible.
 
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If the Red Sox are really staying under $225 this makes it hard to see them signing Montgomery. The last move left I suspect is Duvall/Pham.
We are not likely to be competitive in '24 but you never really know since there is a lot of volatility between pre-season predictions and actual results.
What the hell is the point given the Red Sox starting rotation. Why are we signing a reliever? Is the whole point of this season to unload guys at the trade deadline for prospects?
In the abstract this is an OK move - but if this is how the Red Sox are spending payroll under new and lower limits I don't get it. I would have rather had either Lugo or Wacha.

The ability of the Red Sox to avoid their obvious problem is incredible.
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They signed him because Liam Hendriks at what is a luxury tax deal of 1/5mm in 2025 is going to be better than anything else they could find in the free agency market next off season to replace Jansen and Martin.

It also allows them to trade them at the deadline rather than play the game of analyzing a QO or not. Jansen is definitely a guy who could accept a QO, so you want to move him at the deadline.

This helps facilitate that move
 
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If the Red Sox are really staying under $225 this makes it hard to see them signing Montgomery. The last move left I suspect is Duvall/Pham.
We are not likely to be competitive in '24 but you never really know since there is a lot of volatility between pre-season predictions and actual results.
What the hell is the point given the Red Sox starting rotation. Why are we signing a reliever? Is the whole point of this season to unload guys at the trade deadline for prospects?
In the abstract this is an OK move - but if this is how the Red Sox are spending payroll under new and lower limits I don't get it. I would have rather had either Lugo or Wacha.

The ability of the Red Sox to avoid their obvious problem is incredible.
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It is a good buy low opportunity for next year. You pay two years for the market rate of less than one plus an option if it works out. All it costs you is a temporary roster spot for a day in February.

And yes we dump people in July as we should have last year unless somehow the team gets on extreme heater and is 15 games up of .500 by the end of July.
 
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Signing Hendriks is meant to bolster the bullpen moving forward. It's safe, cheap, and has terrific upside.

It doesn't preclude other moves, including trades, for starting pitchers.
 
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I may be just blanking, but are there recent examples of mutual option being exercised? And how does the timing of that acceptance by the team and by the player work?
 
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I may be just blanking, but are there recent examples of mutual option being exercised? And how does the timing of that acceptance by the team and by the player work?
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It’s essentially just a salary deferral tool with the option buyouts in the benefit of the player. It also avoids a QO being attached to the player.
 
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Solid move that seems well worth the minimal risk, to me.

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They signed him because Liam Hendriks at what is a luxury tax deal of 1/5mm in 2025 is going to be better than anything else they could find in the free agency market next off season to replace Jansen and Martin.

It also allows them to trade them at the deadline rather than play the game of analyzing a QO or not. Jansen is definitely a guy who could accept a QO, so you want to move him at the deadline.

This helps facilitate that move
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Minor point as I don’t think it would be offered- but Jansen is ineligible to receive a QO, as the Dodgers offered him one a few years ago.
 
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It’s essentially just a salary deferral tool with the option buyouts in the benefit of the player. It also avoids a QO being attached to the player.
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Tell me more... if a team accepts a mutual option and the player declines, can the team then use the QO?

And how does the salary deferral work on an option? Is this only if the team/player both accept the option?
 
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Tell me more... if a team accepts a mutual option and the player declines, can the team then use the QO?

And how does the salary deferral work on an option? Is this only if the team/player both accept the option?
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If the team declines the option, there is usually a buyout attached to the decline. Which is what happens the vast majority of the time. I the player also declines, they forfeit the option buyout
 
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Great dude, incredible quote, very good pitcher.

Take a look at his numbers in the shortened 2020 season for Oakland: 25 IP, 37 K, 3 BB, 14 H. A .671 WHIP! That'll play.

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Awesome, now do the same thing with Brandon Woodruff.
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The Brewers just did.

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Full throttle 2025!
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I do expect the 2025 season to be played. And he could provide $5m in 2024 value just for the Netflix documentary.
 
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He had TJS in early August of 2023. So there's a chance he'll be able to appear at some point in the second half this year.

You have to wonder if the Sox still have a good reputation for rehabbing arms, given, most recently, James Paxton's choosing to exercise his much cheaper $4M option to stay with Boston.
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According to the Globe: "...injuring his elbow a short time after he returned from treatments for non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma."

Is that cancer any worry?
 
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More proof that Hendriks is a great guy.

"And then the more people that are willing to do it, the more people are willing to come out publicly and say, 'I'm fine with this.' And I'm hoping it strengthens the resolve of those people who may be on the fence about coming out, that may be on the fence of telling family, friends, peers or teammates or anything like that and fully embrace that," he added.

After raising a Pride flag during last year's Pride Night at the team's stadium, Hendriks says he received a share of negative responses that reinforced his view that Pride Night is necessary.

"Some of the DMs and comments I got were just horrendous," he told The Athletic. "I can only imagine someone doing it and actually having to go through it themselves with already feeling slightly ostracized in a clubhouse where you don't know where people's allegiances lie. That's a scary thought and it's a scary world."
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My sense is that Kristi Hendriks will be a bigger asset to the Red Sox Foundation than Liam will be to the Red Sox ball club but good low risk move nonetheless.
Kristi (and Liam) are awesome off the field.
 
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As I grow towards my hopefully well deserved status of curmudgeonly Sox fan old timer, I care more and more about getting great people on the team. I’m rooting for Hendriks no matter what, just like I did for Pedey, Mo, Hurst, Lynn and others who seem to be as good as people as they are as ball players.

Keep the sexual assaulters, racists, homophobes, and other malcontents away. We can both win and be proud of the guys in the laundry.
 
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According to the Globe: "...injuring his elbow a short time after he returned from treatments for non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma."

Is that cancer any worry?
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Both my wife and I have been treated for NHL. We are both in remission but I don't believe they ever call you cured from it. There are about 50 different variations of NHL and for most you are good for at least 5-10 years after treatment, maybe and hopefully more. My wife is now 12 years out from treatment and is fine.
 
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As I grow towards my hopefully well deserved status of curmudgeonly Sox fan old timer, I care more and more about getting great people on the team. I’m rooting for Hendriks no matter what, just like I did for Pedey, Mo, Hurst, Lynn and others who seem to be as good as people as they are as ball players.

Keep the sexual assaulters, racists, homophobes, and other malcontents away. We can both win and be proud of the guys in the laundry.
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I root for players more than teams. It's more important for me to like the player (and thereby the team) than care about the overall performance of said player or team. A stacked team of dick bags isn't of any interest to me (not that I am implying the Sox are like this, more just a general philosophical outlook)
 
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Hendriks was diagnosed with Stage 4 NHL. I was unable to find what type - it is usually broken down into either diffuse large B-cell lymphoma or follicular lymphoma. But they have very disparate survival rates.
  • Stage 4 non-Hodgkin's diffuse large B-cell lymphoma has a five-year relative survival rate of 57%.
  • Stage 4 non-Hodgkin's follicular lymphoma has a five-year relative survival rate of 86%
  • Stage 4 NHL Combined 5 yr survival: 65%
Age significantly affects the survival rate, race has a small effect as well
Caucasian aged: 15 -39 using combined NHL improves the 5 yr survival: 73% 10 year survival: 71%
However, for Hendriks specifically, he has already survived ~18 months and that further improves the odds very significantly.
Looking at the data for his age and race ~20% of the mortality occurs within 18 months. That would mean if there are 100 people with Stage 4 NHL. 18 months from diagnosis there would be 80 people alive. Then from 18 months to 5 years out, another 7 (or 9%) would be expected to succumb to the disease.

So an extremely rough estimation, based on extremely incomplete information, would be 91% chance of survival for 3+ years and 89% for 8+ years (to make it 10 yrs total). And I am not a statistician, so I may have messed up the analysis.

These above numbers are based on the SEER cancer stats from 2000-2019.

Many other factors affect the survival rate and the above should be taken as nothing more than a very rough estimate for the population in general.

And numbers are just numbers, I hope and am optimistic for a very long life for Liam, geoflin and everyone who has been diagnosed with NHL or any type of cancer.
 
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Why couldn’t the team decline to exercise the option and still make a QO?
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Not yet having seen the cost of the option, it's most likely for less money than the QO so the risk would be if they declined the option the player could accept the QO for more money.
 
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A little more info, from Giolito, who heard from Hendriks. "'Liam’s great,” said Giolito. “He’s going to bring a lot of energy. Obviously, he’s got to get right from surgery. I know he’ll bounce back from that, he’s a really strong guy. Obviously, he proved it last year when he beat cancer to come back to play baseball. I think he’s going to bring a ton of energy. He’s super intense competitor, high-leverage for the back end of the bullpen. He just brings a lot of life,” said Giolito. And “He’s a pretty funny dude. He can take a joke, so I think he’ll fit in nicely based on what I’ve seen of all these here so far.”

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2024/02/lucas-giolito-surprised-but-excited-for-new-red-sox-relievers-energy.html
 
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They signed him because Liam Hendriks at what is a luxury tax deal of 1/5mm in 2025 is going to be better than anything else they could find in the free agency market next off season to replace Jansen and Martin.

It also allows them to trade them at the deadline rather than play the game of analyzing a QO or not. Jansen is definitely a guy who could accept a QO, so you want to move him at the deadline.

This helps facilitate that move
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I'd say more, "they hope it will be better", he'll be 36 and coming off cancer treatment, 5 pretty poor games in 2023 and then TJ surgery, his performance is going to be very hard to project given the two different health issues you need to see if he has recovered from (plus just being 36, lot of pitchers are basically done by then).
 
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I'd say more, "they hope it will be better", he'll be 36 and coming off cancer treatment, 5 pretty poor games in 2023 and then TJ surgery, his performance is going to be very hard to project given the two different health issues you need to see if he has recovered from (plus just being 36, lot of pitchers are basically done by then).
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Small point, but he really didn't have 5 pretty poor games in 2023 before surgery. He had 3 clean outings, one where he gave up a solo home run, and one bad outing, which happened to be his first of the season. I have no idea what he'll be like when he returns, but he seemed to come back from cancer relatively well.
 
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