Which teams are playing worse right now? HOU is playing much, much better football right now. Let that sink in and take off the glasses.
Let's say BB stays on until he retires. What does that mean for the franchise?
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If he wants to pass Schula, there are a number of franchises who would love to sell seats to taht. Might be time to start anew.
After the first lateral from Stevenson you can see Patricia clapping on the sideline. So it was likely a called play.
Is there any reason to believe that he can build from where the team is today to legit contender in whatever time he has left?
I'm not wearing any glasses, and there's no argument that was a world class goatfuck. But you can find that sort of mindboiggling nonsense in 3-5 games on any give weekend. Unless you think the OL is secretly world class and that Mac Fucking Jones is Brady in disguise, 7-7 doesn't sniff the bottom of the league.
In a vacuum maybe. Adding context, this is definitely worse. The Cowboys still won the super bowl after Lett's play. Not that this Patriots team was a serious super bowl contender, but this all but ensures that they will miss the playoffs.
How does "called play" follow from Matt P clapping? I think he was hoping for a miracle.
That’s kind of where I am at. Like, he’s the best ever. But he has a couple years left and his first few post-Brady have resulted in likely two seasons out of the playoffs. From a risk-reward perspective, what is the case for keeping him? I mean, the BB thing to do is to move on before it gets too late. And it might already be too late.
I’m sure he is, I was just adding his comment. I probably should have used quote marks.
As they should be. That play is going into the urban dictionary next to “Stepping on one’s dick.”
They’re an embarrassment and major changes need to be made. This can’t stand.
Why are they lateralling in the first place though? That's a desperate move you make when you're down with no time left. It's obviously risky.
This franchise deserves every bit of what happened at the end. Top to bottom failure. Big changes ahead.
The team doesn’t have a ton of talent (at least on offense) yet is still 7-7 a year after making the playoffs with a rookie QB despite losing multiple coaches every year due to sustained past success and promoted coordinators taking assistants with them.
I feel 100% confident none of the coaches said "hey if you get the chance to throw the ball 20 yards backwards to the least athletic guy on the field... take that" on the final play.
I think people keep blaming dumb plays on the coaches instead of the players who make the decisions. The coaches don't have mind control... things like a delay of game... sure might be bad coaching. Things like idiotic decisions in the run of play is on the player, that isn't anything you can coach out, it isn't not knowing a rule, it's just an idiot being an idiot.
I think just the fact that we are 500 is some proof of pretty good coaching, as is the defense, and that we have one of the best 3rd quarter records in the league.
I think people keep blaming dumb plays on the coaches instead of the players who make the decisions. The coaches don't have mind control... things like a delay of game... sure might be bad coaching. Things like idiotic decisions in the run of play is on the player, that isn't anything you can coach out, it isn't not knowing a rule, it's just an idiot being an idiot.
I think just the fact that we are 500 is some proof of pretty good coaching, as is the defense, and that we have one of the best 3rd quarter records in the league.
The cases for keeping him (in no particular order):
1. Nostalgia
2. Last hurrah/orderly transition. You bring in, say, BOB to fix the offense (to the extent it is possible), have one more decent year, then take over (if you want BOB taking over).
3. The team really is a lot better than it seems, and BB really can right the ship.
None of those seem convincing.
Dumb players continuing to get playing time while mistakes are not cleared up is 100% on the coaching staff.
He took a total turnaround team and built a top 5 defense that will be good for years to come. Picking Patricia was abysmal, but he’ll get a mulligan and reset the offense next year. He at least deserves that chance.
He’s gonna have more tears when they cut his dumb ass. He can be sorry all he likes, but that’s unacceptable at this level.
So I guess the plan was for Mac to juke for 65 yards?
I actually feel bad, just a total brain fart.
So why keep doing that is kind of my point? What is going to click next year of the year after? Because I’m the NFL, turnaround are not 5-year projects. They’re usually 2-3 because of draft impact and free agency. So given that we’ve done one of those cycles once and have a coach who maybe has time for one more and then to leave, why not look for someone who can stick around after that next cycle and maybe produce better results?
I love BB. He is the best ever. But what about the post-Brady era has us saying “Maybe the next few years will be different?” That’s the case I’m making. Not that he’s horrible. But that if he’s just ok and only has a few years left, what’s the point?
Agree 100% this thread is just an extension of the game thread right now. I get why people are pissed but if players go off-script I don't think it is fair to blame the coaching staff. If they called a run and to go into OT and the players don't do that... that's on them.
I mean... who else is gonna play? Are we going to cut Meyers who is our best WR and replace him with a street FA? We're too thin and too injured to bench guys for a dumb mistake.
This is where I’m at. There’s maybe 10 guys on the roster I’d keep. The rest are replaceable, and dumb as shit to boot. The staff is all replaceable. Tear it all down.
They aren't cutting their best receiver. It sucks that he had a brain fart, but they'll just look forward.
Has Myers had a single dumb play in the past four years before he had perhaps the dumbest play in nfl history?
Belichick still has enough earned trust with me that I don't think he should move on quite yet. But he needs to scrap pretty much his entire staff and start from scratch. The wholes of bad coaching are everyone on this team.
The last play was such a disaster, but don't forget the supreme special teams fuck up that led to the blocked punt in the first half. That shit used to never happen.
The last play was such a disaster, but don't forget the supreme special teams fuck up that led to the blocked punt in the first half. That shit used to never happen.
Is it? We spent two decades celebrating how great the Patriots were because they were the most disciplined team in the NFL because of their coaching. It has to cut both ways.
If you make the dumbest play in NFL history, it more than negates four years of play.
Who cares about this really, though? I’m all sorts of mad, but the “embarrassment” angle doesn’t land for me. Every franchise has a bunch of embarrassing stuff.
yep coaching was generally good today, 2 players had terrible mistakes (Cardona snapping early, Jakobi's disaster) and the QB was terrible, and despite that we were positioned to win.
They should’ve anticipated their best receiver doing that and benched him?
Sure but it’s hard to say the coaches made a mistake playing a dumb player like Myers when Myers was never dumb before
Come on. That’s a little off the rails. It’s not the worst play in history. Yeesh.
Your best receiver by definition doesn’t do something that fucking brain dead. Ergo Meyers is nowhere near our best receiver.
This coaching staff has shown there are no consequences for bad play anyway. No wonder the players are fucking idiots.
They’re borderline elite on one side of the ball and are sticking in games with horrible o-line play and some of the worst quarterback play in the league. Firing Bill is a be careful what you wish for situation, I really believe that.
A seat that should never have been possible to get hot should be warm for the Patricia and Judge hires alone, and the frequency with which they’ve made dumb mistakes for 3 years running is not a good sign. But I don’t see canning Bill being the solution.
A seat that should never have been possible to get hot should be warm for the Patricia and Judge hires alone, and the frequency with which they’ve made dumb mistakes for 3 years running is not a good sign. But I don’t see canning Bill being the solution.
I don’t like making change for change sake. This post screams that to me given they’re a borderline playoff team that made the playoffs last year and I don’t really think everyone here would be okay with bottoming out despite how sexy it’s become to intentionally suck.