Which teams are playing worse right now? HOU is playing much, much better football right now. Let that sink in and take off the glasses.Yeah, it kinda is.
Which teams are playing worse right now? HOU is playing much, much better football right now. Let that sink in and take off the glasses.Yeah, it kinda is.
If he wants to pass Schula, there are a number of franchises who would love to sell seats to taht. Might be time to start anew.So I have not been in the camp of BB being a problem. But now I’ll ask things this way - what’s the upside to keeping him for a 2-3 year final run given what we have seen post-Brady?
After the first lateral from Stevenson you can see Patricia clapping on the sideline. So it was likely a called play.Meyers throwing to Mac can't possible be what they coached. I'd love to hear what they called.
Edit: I mean I don't think they coach laterals like that...
Is there any reason to believe that he can build from where the team is today to legit contender in whatever time he has left?So I have not been in the camp of BB being a problem. But now I’ll ask things this way - what’s the upside to keeping him for a 2-3 year final run given what we have seen post-Brady?
Chuck Noll lost it. Tom Landry lost it. It happensYou people are nuts.
David Andrews said the play that was called was a draw, that’s it.After the first lateral from Stevenson you can see Patricia clapping on the sideline. So it was likely a called play.
I'm not wearing any glasses, and there's no argument that was a world class goatfuck. But you can find that sort of mindboiggling nonsense in 3-5 games on any give weekend. Unless you think the OL is secretly world class and that Mac Fucking Jones is Brady in disguise, 7-7 doesn't sniff the bottom of the league.Which teams are playing worse right now? HOU is playing much, much better football right now. Let that sink in and take off the glasses.
In a vacuum maybe. Adding context, this is definitely worse. The Cowboys still won the super bowl after Lett's play. Not that this Patriots team was a serious super bowl contender, but this all but ensures that they will miss the playoffs.That was worse than the butt fumble. It doesn't hold a candle to Leon Lett.
That was the worst ever.
How does "called play" follow from Matt P clapping? I think he was hoping for a miracle.After the first lateral from Stevenson you can see Patricia clapping on the sideline. So it was likely a called play.
That’s kind of where I am at. Like, he’s the best ever. But he has a couple years left and his first few post-Brady have resulted in likely two seasons out of the playoffs. From a risk-reward perspective, what is the case for keeping him? I mean, the BB thing to do is to move on before it gets too late. And it might already be too late.Is there any reason to believe that he can build from where the team is today to legit contender in whatever time he has left?
I’m sure he is, I was just adding his comment. I probably should have used quote marks.He’s covering for his teammates.
As they should be. That play is going into the urban dictionary next to “Stepping on one’s dick.”The whole league is laughing at the Pats tomorrow
Why are they lateralling in the first place though? That's a desperate move you make when you're down with no time left. It's obviously risky.Meyers throwing to Mac can't possible be what they coached. I'd love to hear what they called.
Edit: I mean I don't think they coach laterals like that...
The team doesn’t have a ton of talent (at least on offense) yet is still 7-7 a year after making the playoffs with a rookie QB despite losing multiple coaches every year due to sustained past success and promoted coordinators taking assistants with them.That’s kind of where I am at. Like, he’s the best ever. But he has a couple years left and his first few post-Brady have resulted in likely two seasons out of the playoffs. From a risk-reward perspective, what is the case for keeping him? I mean, the BB thing to do is to move on before it gets too late. And it might already be too late.
The cases for keeping him (in no particular order):That’s kind of where I am at. Like, he’s the best ever. But he has a couple years left and his first few post-Brady have resulted in likely two seasons out of the playoffs. From a risk-reward perspective, what is the case for keeping him? I mean, the BB thing to do is to move on before it gets too late. And it might already be too late.
Dumb players continuing to get playing time while mistakes are not cleared up is 100% on the coaching staff.I feel 100% confident none of the coaches said "hey if you get the chance to throw the ball 20 yards backwards to the least athletic guy on the field... take that" on the final play.
I think people keep blaming dumb plays on the coaches instead of the players who make the decisions. The coaches don't have mind control... things like a delay of game... sure might be bad coaching. Things like idiotic decisions in the run of play is on the player, that isn't anything you can coach out, it isn't not knowing a rule, it's just an idiot being an idiot.
He took a total turnaround team and built a top 5 defense that will be good for years to come. Picking Patricia was abysmal, but he’ll get a mulligan and reset the offense next year. He at least deserves that chance.So I have not been in the camp of BB being a problem. But now I’ll ask things this way - what’s the upside to keeping him for a 2-3 year final run given what we have seen post-Brady?
He’s gonna have more tears when they cut his dumb ass. He can be sorry all he likes, but that’s unacceptable at this level.
So I guess the plan was for Mac to juke for 65 yards?
So why keep doing that is kind of my point? What is going to click next year of the year after? Because I’m the NFL, turnaround are not 5-year projects. They’re usually 2-3 because of draft impact and free agency. So given that we’ve done one of those cycles once and have a coach who maybe has time for one more and then to leave, why not look for someone who can stick around after that next cycle and maybe produce better results?The team doesn’t have a ton of talent (at least on offense) yet is still 7-7 a year after making the playoffs with a rookie QB despite losing multiple coaches every year due to sustained past success and promoted coordinators taking assistants with them.
Agree 100% this thread is just an extension of the game thread right now. I get why people are pissed but if players go off-script I don't think it is fair to blame the coaching staff. If they called a run and to go into OT and the players don't do that... that's on them.I feel 100% confident none of the coaches said "hey if you get the chance to throw the ball 20 yards backwards to the least athletic guy on the field... take that" on the final play.
I think people keep blaming dumb plays on the coaches instead of the players who make the decisions. The coaches don't have mind control... things like a delay of game... sure might be bad coaching. Things like idiotic decisions in the run of play is on the player, that isn't anything you can coach out, it isn't not knowing a rule, it's just an idiot being an idiot.
I think just the fact that we are 500 is some proof of pretty good coaching, as is the defense, and that we have one of the best 3rd quarter records in the league.
I mean... who else is gonna play? Are we going to cut Meyers who is our best WR and replace him with a street FA? We're too thin and too injured to bench guys for a dumb mistake.Dumb players continuing to get playing time while mistakes are not cleared up is 100% on the coaching staff.
This is where I’m at. There’s maybe 10 guys on the roster I’d keep. The rest are replaceable, and dumb as shit to boot. The staff is all replaceable. Tear it all down.Fire the whole team and staff into the sun. Just dumb fuck football. We used to watch teams beat themselves now they beat themselves.
They aren't cutting their best receiver. It sucks that he had a brain fart, but they'll just look forward.He’s gonna have more tears when they cut his dumb ass. He can be sorry all he likes, but that’s unacceptable at this level.
Has Myers had a single dumb play in the past four years before he had perhaps the dumbest play in nfl history?Dumb players continuing to get playing time while mistakes are not cleared up is 100% on the coaching staff.
They shouldn’t.They aren't cutting their best receiver. It sucks that he had a brain fart, but they'll just look forward.
Is it? We spent two decades celebrating how great the Patriots were because they were the most disciplined team in the NFL because of their coaching. It has to cut both ways.Agree 100% this thread is just an extension of the game thread right now. I get why people are pissed but if players go off-script I don't think it is fair to blame the coaching staff. If they called a run and to go into OT and the players don't do that... that's on them.
If you make the dumbest play in NFL history, it more than negates four years of play.Has Myers had a single dumb play in the past four years before he had perhaps the dumbest play in nfl history?
Who cares about this really, though? I’m all sorts of mad, but the “embarrassment” angle doesn’t land for me. Every franchise has a bunch of embarrassing stuff.The whole league is laughing at the Pats tomorrow
yep coaching was generally good today, 2 players had terrible mistakes (Cardona snapping early, Jakobi's disaster) and the QB was terrible, and despite that we were positioned to win.I actually thought Patricia was pretty good today and the QB play was abysmal tbh.
Not every franchise has the worst play in NFLWho cares about this really, though? I’m all sorts of mad, but the “embarrassment” angle doesn’t land for me. Every franchise has a bunch of embarrassing stuff.
They should’ve anticipated their best receiver doing that and benched him?Dumb players continuing to get playing time while mistakes are not cleared up is 100% on the coaching staff.
Sure but it’s hard to say the coaches made a mistake playing a dumb player like Myers when Myers was never dumb beforeIf you make the dumbest play in NFL history, it more than negates four years of play.
Come on. That’s a little off the rails. It’s not the worst play in history. Yeesh.Not every franchise has the worst play in NFL
history.
Your best receiver by definition doesn’t do something that fucking brain dead. Ergo Meyers is nowhere near our best receiver.I mean... who else is gonna play? Are we going to cut Meyers who is our best WR and replace him with a street FA? We're too thin and too injured to bench guys for a dumb mistake.
I don’t like making change for change sake. This post screams that to me given they’re a borderline playoff team that made the playoffs last year and I don’t really think everyone here would be okay with bottoming out despite how sexy it’s become to intentionally suck.So why keep doing that is kind of my point? What is going to click next year of the year after? Because I’m the NFL, turnaround are not 5-year projects. They’re usually 2-3 because of draft impact and free agency. So given that we’ve done one of those cycles once and have a coach who maybe has time for one more and then to leave, why not look for someone who can stick around after that next cycle and maybe produce better results?
I love BB. He is the best ever. But what about the post-Brady era has us saying “Maybe the next few years will be different?” That’s the case I’m making. Not that he’s horrible. But that if he’s just ok and only has a few years left, what’s the point?
Honestly it’s pretty bad. Twenty yard unplanned lateral to a slowish qb?Come on. That’s a little off the rails. It’s not the worst play in history. Yeesh.
This is circular logic. Sorry SJH but it is.Your best receiver by definition doesn’t do something that fucking brain dead. Ergo Meyers is nowhere near our best receiver.