Oof, Carr chimes in. I think it's really, really done now:
View: https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/1170349618997207040?s=20
View: https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/1170349618997207040?s=20
Wondering if he means Derek not David.Oof, Carr chimes in. I think it's really, really done now:
View: https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/1170349618997207040?s=20
Nope David:Wondering if he means Derek not David.
You mean, other than him calling Mayock a cracker?The dude's nutso story has been out there for a while--have we seen any of this?
He meant David. Here is the first tweet of 3.Wondering if he means Derek not David.
Thanks.He meant David. Here is the first tweet of 3.
David Carr, brother of Derek, currently on
@gmfb
explaining "how much of a drain [Antonio Brown] has been on this football tea
Even if they were, he then went home, and put out a video he had produced which included his secret recordings of conversations between himself and his coach.The mis-management gets me. He was pissed about the fines which led to the IG post, which led to the apology to the team.
How did they not settle ALL fines and contract issues before they had him apologize to the team? It seems like this was the teams end game all along, otherwise all of that stuff would have been completely settled before he returned to the team yesterday
The voiding of guarantees definitely seems almost calculated to trigger an escalation by AB that would lead to them being able to get out from this problem without further impact to the team. The picks traded are a sunk cost, but them baiting Brown into further missteps, if indeed that was the strategy here, seems almost cruel. Not even Belichick would do that.The mis-management gets me. He was pissed about the fines which led to the IG post, which led to the apology to the team.
How did they not settle ALL fines and contract issues before they had him apologize to the team? It seems like this was the teams end game all along, otherwise all of that stuff would have been completely settled before he returned to the team yesterday
I think that by fining him for conduct detrimental to the team allows them to do so. I believe it's standard in all contracts.The voiding of guarantees definitely seems almost calculated to trigger an escalation by AB that would lead to them being able to get out from this problem without further impact to the team. The picks traded are a sunk cost, but them baiting Brown into further missteps, if indeed that was the strategy here, seems almost cruel. Not even Belichick would do that.
So can anyone explain on what basis they're voiding the guarantees, and how that jives with the CBA? Because I have to imagine the NFLPA will (and should be) making a royal stink over it.
In a standard NFL contract it states that the team can come after any and all guarantees if a player's conduct is detrimental to the team. As AB is a vested vet, his base salary is fully guaranteed if he's on the active roster at 4:01 pm today so if the Raiders want to try to cut bait with AB and owe $0 they need to do so today. Per the CBA, the NFLPA will file a grievance on AB's behalf and this will go to litigation so the Raiders need a paper trail to do this which is why he's been fined and the letters go out to him.The voiding of guarantees definitely seems almost calculated to trigger an escalation by AB that would lead to them being able to get out from this problem without further impact to the team. The picks traded are a sunk cost, but them baiting Brown into further missteps, if indeed that was the strategy here, seems almost cruel. Not even Belichick would do that.
So can anyone explain on what basis they're voiding the guarantees, and how that jives with the CBA? Because I have to imagine the NFLPA will (and should be) making a royal stink over it.
It says something that despite his absolute best efforts Rosenhaus couldn’t stop the AB train. Commission gone.Belichick would do this in a nanosecond if he believed it was the best way out of a big buyer’s remorse. And, of course, he’d get crushed for it.
We’re it up to the Raiders and AB, we’d probably be done. Contract voided, AB goes where he pleases.
Rosenhaus is the obstacle because he damn well knows this probably was the last big $ contract for AB.
What is the precedent for this? Who was the last player to have their contact voided for conduct detrimental to the team?In a standard NFL contract it states that the team can come after any and all guarantees if a player's conduct is detrimental to the team. As AB is a vested vet, his base salary is fully guaranteed if he's on the active roster at 4:01 pm today so if the Raiders want to try to cut bait with AB and owe $0 they need to do so today. Per the CBA, the NFLPA will file a grievance on AB's behalf and this will go to litigation so the Raiders need a paper trail to do this which is why he's been fined and the letters go out to him.
I'm not sure if anyone has ever had this happen to them, but the language is there in any NFL player's contract.What is the precedent for this? Who was the last player to have their contact voided for conduct detrimental to the team?
It doesn't happen because most players want to earn their guaranteed money. So they don't force their way out of town before they even line up for one play.I'm not sure if anyone has ever had this happen to them, but the language is there in any NFL player's contract.
Not a lot, but Trent Richardson and Eric Wright.What is the precedent for this? Who was the last player to have their contact voided for conduct detrimental to the team?
His base will not be guaranteed at 4:01pm as far as I can tell, that is one of the guarantees that is voided under this clause:In a standard NFL contract it states that the team can come after any and all guarantees if a player's conduct is detrimental to the team. As AB is a vested vet, his base salary is fully guaranteed if he's on the active roster at 4:01 pm today so if the Raiders want to try to cut bait with AB and owe $0 they need to do so today. Per the CBA, the NFLPA will file a grievance on AB's behalf and this will go to litigation so the Raiders need a paper trail to do this which is why he's been fined and the letters go out to him.
The Raiders have no interest in voiding his contract, if he doesn't report to play they can put him on the left squad list and pay him nothing while holding his rightsBelichick would do this in a nanosecond if he believed it was the best way out of a big buyer’s remorse. And, of course, he’d get crushed for it.
We’re it up to the Raiders and AB, we’d probably be done. Contract voided, AB goes where he pleases.
Rosenhaus is the obstacle because he damn well knows this probably was the last big $ contract for AB.
Nobody, because a team has no interest in voiding "the contract" just the guarantees, Leonard Fournette had his guarantees voided, Trent Richardson I think too.What is the precedent for this? Who was the last player to have their contact voided for conduct detrimental to the team?
What Belichick wouldn't do is fine him, allow him to apologize to the team and feel like things are normal again, and then make an additional massive fine while voiding his guarantee, essentially making the whole make-nice routine a sham.Belichick would do this in a nanosecond if he believed it was the best way out of a big buyer’s remorse. And, of course, he’d get crushed for it.
We’re it up to the Raiders and AB, we’d probably be done. Contract voided, AB goes where he pleases.
Rosenhaus is the obstacle because he damn well knows this probably was the last big $ contract for AB.
I'm not sure its logically possible to "make something up" when talking about something that someone thinks *will* happen in the future. But I'll leave the logic to the logicians. But yeah, you're right.The most disturbing part of this is something that you simply made up out of thin air? Way to be outraged. Hot take right there.
Is this in reference to Brown or Gruden?He needs to be hospitalized and have his head examined. It’s going to get ugly.
This is what I was looking for. ThanksNot a lot, but Trent Richardson and Eric Wright.
Here is a good rundown, written before the recent stuff.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-what-happens-if-raiders-try-to-void-antonio-browns-guarantees-in-his-contract/amp/
He also would have been the signature megastar of Las Vegas.What stands out about this story is that Brown has a big contract and should be walking into a favorable situation in Oakland. We have seen guys act out before, but someone like TO always did it out of insecurity, they were concerned that they weren’t going to get paid or they weren’t going to be used right in the offense. Brown has a big contract and the Raiders want to roll out the red carpet and make him their signature star.
At this point it’s clear to me that Brown really likes the spotlight and attention but also really just doesn’t want to play professional football.
View: https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1170339397910310912?s=19The voiding of guarantees definitely seems almost calculated to trigger an escalation by AB that would lead to them being able to get out from this problem without further impact to the team. The picks traded are a sunk cost, but them baiting Brown into further missteps, if indeed that was the strategy here, seems almost cruel. Not even Belichick would do that.
So can anyone explain on what basis they're voiding the guarantees, and how that jives with the CBA? Because I have to imagine the NFLPA will (and should be) making a royal stink over it.
If any vested vet is on the active roster at 4:01 pm today their base salary is fully guaranteed. That is why you see teams like the Pats cut vets and bring them back in Week 2. In Brown's case, conduct detrimental is a totally different situation and they are going after all of his money.His base will not be guaranteed at 4:01pm as far as I can tell, that is one of the guarantees that is voided under this clause:
View: https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1170333647435685890
They already did it, his 4:01 guarantee is gone unless an arbitrator decides to give it back, as of now he's working week to week.If any vested vet is on the active roster at 4:01 pm today their base salary is fully guaranteed. That is why you see teams like the Pats cut vets and bring them back in Week 2. In Brown's case, conduct detrimental is a totally different situation and they are going after all of his money.
Progressing....FWIW, I *dont* think the Hill tweet had racial overtones. But I do expect the white establishment to employ some unfortunate language as this thing continues to blow up.
edit - nevermind, covered by bosockboy above.FWIW, I *dont* think the Hill tweet had racial overtones. But I do expect the white establishment to employ some unfortunate language as this thing continues to blow up.
ESPN crawl:
“Rosenhaus: Looking forward to a new beginning.”
Dem’s not fighting words. They are words of acquiescence. The gambit may have worked. No grievance, no lawsuit, no nothin.
If you think for one moment that Gruden didn't sign off on the release ....Curious that Gruden and Rosenhaus orchestrate a team meeting with AB apologizing, and a few hours later Mayock sends a letter voiding $30 M in guarantees, with predictable results. Since reportedly Mayock never wanted AB, but Gruden insisted, this miscommunication seems hardly accidental--
apology accepted by Gruden, but not by Mayock, who prevails.
Hadn’t seen her in quite a while. I thought maybe her "rooting for the Celtics is like saying Hitler was a victim. It’s like hoping Gorbachev would get to the blinking red button before Reagan” comment a few years ago finally did her in. Jimmy the Greek never got a second chance, she gets all of them. Sorry for the hijack.
TIL. Thanks! Pretty big FU from Doss to the team he grew up rooting for...Yes, you can. That’s why BB has periodically given more money to certain PS guys. They can choose to stay.
Keelan Doss went from a non-guaranteed $255,000 salary to $795,000 fully guaranteed plus an active roster spot in two days, thanks to the Antonio Brown situation. A guy we thought would be a mid-round pick but went undrafted is now getting money comparable to a fourth-rounder.
This is bad news. I wonder if he worsened the injury by playing through it...
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Terrible news. One of the brightest rookies in the class, and definitely a star in the Raiders future. He had been rumoured to be a Patriots-style player, though we got nowhere near him. Let him recover fast for the silver and black.This is bad news. I wonder if he worsened the injury by playing through it...
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8-8 I’m thrilled with. To beat the Bears without Williams and solely relying on Jacobs and the tight ends was quite the feat. I’m convinced Chucky can still effectively call a game and win in today’s NFL.So this team doesn't suck. They pushed the 2nd best in the NFL Bear defense around and the Bears were frankly lucky / very opportunistic to not get blown out. Combined with last week's road win over Indy, it might be time to refine expectations a bit. I was hoping for an 7- 8 win season, now 9-10 wins and a wild card birth seems like a fairly reasonable hope / goal looking at the schedule ahead and assuming health no worse than what they have had so far.
They have the bye week, and then three tough games in a row:
- Green Bay at Lambeau
-at Houston
-Detroit in Oakland
They need to win one of these to get to the half way mark at 4-4. But if they do, there is plenty of reason for optimism because they only face one team that currently has a winning record in the second half of the season:
- Chargers on a Thursday in the last night game ever in Oakland - they never lose the "last game in Oakland" games
- Bengals at home
- Jets on the road
- Annual horrible performance at Arrowhead
- Titans at home
- Jags in the last game ever in Oakland - see note above
- Chargers game in front of 25,000 Raider fans in LA
- Broncos at Mile High