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Here’s a data set from 2015. (Benny’s at 88.2 mph on the season.)


Again, I’m cautious not to overemphasize and I’m not saying he’s not a good player, or that he couldn’t improve here. And some guys with elite exit velo struggle (like Sano) or flame out. I’m just saying it’s a clue.
Yeah nice numbers. I'm not sure what it proves. Doesn't JBJ have a better avg, exit velo than 10D? I know Moreland does. That means their ceiling is higher? I'm not buying any such thing. I wonder what somebody like Wade Boggs would have had for an exit velo.? I would guess it probably wouldn't have been too high. He hit an awful lot of bleeders and bloops in his career. Does that make him a bad hitter? Obviously not.
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...I wonder what somebody like Wade Boggs would have had for an exit velo.? I would guess it probably wouldn't have been too high. He hit an awful lot of bleeders and bloops in his career. Does that make him a bad hitter? Obviously not.
In 1925 Ty Cobb, who averaged about five home runs a season during his career, supposedly told a reporter in the dugout just before a game, "I’ll show you something today. I’m going for home runs for the first time in my career," and he went out and hit two singles, a double and three home runs. The next game he hit two more home runs. Then he went back to his normal style of hitting and it was almost a month before his next home run. During Boggs's first five seasons, he hit 32 home runs. He then hit 24 in his sixth season but only 62 in his final 12 seasons. Did Boggs also decide to show people he could hit home runs but, like Cobb, decided he was more comfortable hitting the way he did for most of his career? Both these players had very good bat control so is it difficult to believe that they could "turn" on the power? There have been other players who put on shows in batting practice but don't have high career home run totals. Ichiro, for one. Yes,, it is easier to hit home runs in batting practice; the pitches are grooved but it still takes a good swing and contact.
 

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The "plus" added to Devers would need to be a humongous plus. Jacob deGrom is unfreakingbelievable and has two more years of control left.

DeGrom and Todd Frazier for Devers and Eduardo Rodriguez might work. Frazier probably could hold the 3b fort for a couple more years until Chavis is ready (Frazier is only 32 and can at least provide some power). And DeGrom is a major step up from EdRo. A rotation of Sale, DeGrom, Porcello, and Price would be unreal. And then Sale and DeGrom leading the way in the postseason. Maybe the Mets would throw in Familia if the Sox included a prospect like Houck as well. That would solve a lot of issues for the 2018 Red Sox, even though losing Devers would hurt for many, many years to come.

Devers is a potential superstar talent. DeGrom is 30. Hauck is another project, not quite Ball but close. Chavis is a PEDS user. Did everyone forget the luxury tax?

DeGrom would make a difference but not at the cost of Devers. DD wasted a lot of bullets for Price. Now they might pay for it when its clear they do need another solid arm in the rotation
 

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Devers is a potential superstar talent. DeGrom is 30. Hauck is another project, not quite Ball but close. Chavis is a PEDS user. Did everyone forget the luxury tax?

DeGrom would make a difference but not at the cost of Devers. DD wasted a lot of bullets for Price. Now they might pay for it when its clear they do need another solid arm in the rotation
Yeah, this is dumb. 5 years Devers from age 22-26, plus the chance to extend him before free agency, is worth way more than 2 years of DeGrom over the age of 30.

Some times you just gotta dance with them what brought ya. And this is one of those years. A tweak to the bullpen if you can do it under the cap. But there’s no way DDski should do more than that.

It sucks, but that’s what $40MM dead money and a bottom-5 farm system will do for you.
 

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Kind of off topic but the thing that’s surprising to me in all of this is that my interpretation of the Mets fan base tells me they’d seem to prefer to deal Thor before deGrom. Now I know deGrom has been incredible this year and Thor has missed significant time to injury for two consecutive seasons now but he’s 5 years younger with an extra year of control on him. That’s the guy I’d be looking to build around and have as the ace of the next contending Mets team.
 

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Yeah .. there were lots of rumours that year about the juiced ball. I remember an interview with Boggs (or a teammate) half way though the year. They asked about the HRs .. the upshot of it was Boggs had noticed early in the year that ball was travelling further and he could just flick the ball into the CF seats or over the Monster.
 

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Wow, I didn't realize that Degrom was 30. I didn't want the Red Sox to trade for him anyways, but... No pitchers over 30 please.
 

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Wow, I didn't realize that Degrom was 30. I didn't want the Red Sox to trade for him anyways, but... No pitchers over 30 please.
Plus position players are much better bets than pitchers, no matter the age or experience level.

(This being relative of course. A guy performing equivalently at the same level at the same age being the comp. Sale may be worth Moncada plus, but Moncada was probably worth more than Kopech, and so on.)
 

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Devers is a potential superstar talent. DeGrom is 30. Hauck is another project, not quite Ball but close. Chavis is a PEDS user. Did everyone forget the luxury tax?

DeGrom would make a difference but not at the cost of Devers. DD wasted a lot of bullets for Price. Now they might pay for it when its clear they do need another solid arm in the rotation
DeGrom would still make a difference even at the cost of Devers. Let's not lose sight of the fact that deGrom, while 30, is an absolute beast. Not just a regular old 30-year old pitcher.

I mean it's not happening so you can relax anyway.
 

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Is 30 really when pitchers start to go downhill or is it just that by age 30, lots of mediocre and worse pitchers end up out of the ML's? I definitely do not have the time to look into it, but it seems that the good pitchers can keep it going into their mid 30's pretty successfully.
 

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DeGrom would still make a difference even at the cost of Devers. Let's not lose sight of the fact that deGrom, while 30, is an absolute beast. Not just a regular old 30-year old pitcher.

I mean it's not happening so you can relax anyway.
No one is arguing he wouldn't make a difference. Just not enough of one to be worth losing Devers. Not to take anything away from deGrom, but he's been an absolute beast *this year*. Prior to this year, he's been a very very good starting pitcher, but no all that different than a bunch of other top 20-30 starting pitchers in baseball since his debut.

His last four years prior to 2018: 107 starts, 2.98 ERA, 3.07 FIP, 731 K, 1.122 WHIP
Chris Sale's last four years: 121 starts, 2.99 ERA, 2.83 FIP, 1023 K, 1.017 WHIP
(Sale being a convenient comparison primarily due to similar age and that the Sox already have Sale)
 

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DeGrom would still make a difference even at the cost of Devers. Let's not lose sight of the fact that deGrom, while 30, is an absolute beast. Not just a regular old 30-year old pitcher.

I mean it's not happening so you can relax anyway.

Yes, DeGrom would make a difference but I don't think it would cost Devers.

#1 Your dealing with the Mets, #2 I think a starting point of ERod and or Groome and a few low level hitters, possibly you eat half of the Castillo deal and send him off, Chatham, gets you into the conversation?
 

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I think that is pie in the sky. DeGrom is a legit chip, an ERod and or Groome as the basis would be topped in a NY minute by many clubs....
 

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Yes, DeGrom would make a difference but I don't think it would cost Devers.

#1 Your dealing with the Mets, #2 I think a starting point of ERod and or Groome and a few low level hitters, possibly you eat half of the Castillo deal and send him off, Chatham, gets you into the conversation?
If you were GM of the Mets, would you take that package for deGrom?
 

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Frazier and Adams is better for them than that deal. The yanks can beat anything we’d offer
 

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They more I look at it, I do think Devers alone is an overpay but he is still very difficult to project so it is much more on scouting.

He may become an all-star - some of you see that as a near certainty. Or he may be a steadier Will Middlebrooks. He is so young we don't really know.

It's more the uncertainty of his ceiling value where I would be hesitant to move him for a guy with two years of control left. I would never move Beni either, but I think he is much easier to project so you have a better idea of his value.
 

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Perhaps there is more concern about Pomeranz/Wright/Price then they Sox are indicating........or could Eovaldi be a set-up candidate for the pen??

Doesn't appear that Eovaldi has done much other than start, 134 GS out of 141 career appearances. However, his 100+ mph FB coming out of the pen is intriguing. Perhaps he could see a similar path as Joe Kelly.
 
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Groome was ranked as the number 77 (mlb.com rankings) prospect in baseball. It's not only the Yankees that would lineup to crush an offer centered around Groome.
No argument here. Besides, Groome wouldn't bring back anything in a trade for another 16 months.
 

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Frazier and Adams is better for them than that deal. The yanks can beat anything we’d offer
The Yanks will be able to beat any offer we make for anything for a couple years at least. It's just the way it is.
 

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moving ERod & Groome in a package for deGrom, in the case it's feasible (and I agree it would be trumped / not accepted) would leave us even more barren by 2020-21. I'd think long & hard about that one
 

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DeGrom will likely land somewhere like Milwaukee. Need is higher and the rare opportunity to make the postseason. I was shocked to read they have only been in 3 postseasons ever.
 

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moving ERod & Groome in a package for deGrom, in the case it's feasible (and I agree it would be trumped / not accepted) would leave us even more barren by 2020-21. I'd think long & hard about that one
I wouldn't. It's not a good thing to do.
 

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I think it's posturing on the Mets side (as is just about everything this time of year).

They have a roster full of aging, ineffective veterans and middling cost controlled talent. Aside from that they are well behind the Phillies and Braves who are on their way up. I think they'd be nuts not to trade deGrom and anything else that gets them blue chippers.

Then again - they are one of the worst run organizations in sports, so who knows?
 

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Perhaps there is more concern about Pomeranz/Wright/Price then they Sox are indicating........or could Eovaldi be a set-up candidate for the pen??

Doesn't appear that Eovaldi has done much other than start, 134 GS out of 141 career appearances. However, his 100+ mph FB coming out of the pen is intriguing. Perhaps he could see a similar path as Joe Kelly.
The Red Sox are going to have scouts at a lot of games looking at a lot of players over the next month. Doesn't necessarily mean they have a need for or they are interested in any particular player. Some of it is simply due diligence. Some of it may be advance scouting in case a certain player ends up on an opposing team. Some of it could just be smoke screens to obscure their true intentions or affect the actions of their competitors.

In other words, it's pointless to try to speculate about why they're looking at any one guy because they're going to be scouting a lot of guys. We'd be pissed if they weren't, no?
 

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The Red Sox are going to have scouts at a lot of games looking at a lot of players over the next month. Doesn't necessarily mean they have a need for or they are interested in any particular player. Some of it is simply due diligence. Some of it may be advance scouting in case a certain player ends up on an opposing team. Some of it could just be smoke screens to obscure their true intentions or affect the actions of their competitors.

In other words, it's pointless to try to speculate about why they're looking at any one guy because they're going to be scouting a lot of guys. We'd be pissed if they weren't, no?
Isn't that the point of this thread?
 

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Kind of off topic but the thing that’s surprising to me in all of this is that my interpretation of the Mets fan base tells me they’d seem to prefer to deal Thor before deGrom. Now I know deGrom has been incredible this year and Thor has missed significant time to injury for two consecutive seasons now but he’s 5 years younger with an extra year of control on him. That’s the guy I’d be looking to build around and have as the ace of the next contending Mets team.
And Thor "star Lannister soldier" appeared on GOT.
 

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Isn't that the point of this thread?
I guess? My point is that grabbing every rumor/report that mentions the Red Sox and making it a thing is exhausting. Especially for a team that a) doesn't have many if any holes and b) doesn't have a lot of capital to work with in order to patch or upgrade whatever holes one wants to say they have.
 

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It does make sense for the Mets to deal DeGrom and basically the rest of their team and hold onto Thor... offer him a good long term contract and build the new team around trades and drafts. Thor is young enough to grow with a bunch of younger players.
That said... who would actually be realistic players for DeGrom? I don't think the Sox match up well.... and any deal that would bring him here would be basically lateral and hurt the team long term. Astros are already stacked and would be looking for bullpen help. Mariners could use him (I don't know their tradeable assets), but the Yankees definitely have the need and the ability. It would suck, and our only hope is that the Mets stupidly stick to their guns on not dealing with their cross borough rivals
 

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The easy answer to these rumors, once you factor in that the Sox don’t have many holes or resources as RedsHawksFan said, is that the Sox are at the top of the standings and therefore will be floated as chances because it gets readers/clicks/etc.
 

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If you were GM of the Mets, would you take that package for deGrom?
If I were the Mets GM I would not trade DeGrom.
If available ? The Groome injury doesn't help but with ERod I believe your in the conversation. You also have to figure DeGrom has never hit Free Agency. Good years this and next, he would be a fool not to test the market. Might keep the asking price down.
 

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It does make sense for the Mets to deal DeGrom and basically the rest of their team and hold onto Thor... offer him a good long term contract and build the new team around trades and drafts. Thor is young enough to grow with a bunch of younger players.
That said... who would actually be realistic players for DeGrom? I don't think the Sox match up well.... and any deal that would bring him here would be basically lateral and hurt the team long term. Astros are already stacked and would be looking for bullpen help. Mariners could use him (I don't know their tradeable assets), but the Yankees definitely have the need and the ability. It would suck, and our only hope is that the Mets stupidly stick to their guns on not dealing with their cross borough rivals
To me, the natural answer here in the AL is the Mariners since their pitching is pretty mediocre and the Cubs/Brewers since that’s going to be a tight race and DeGrom could really make an impact. Both teams’ rotations are also a bit mediocre. Both Hendricks and Quintana are having blah years so far.
 

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If the Mets do trade DeGrom or Syndergaard (and keep in mind they don't actually have a GM in place so I think it's really unlikely), they are kind of screwed either way when it comes to the Yankees. Either they possibly give the Yankees the piece to put them over the top once or twice, or they take an almost decidedly weaker package from another team and end up looking even worse to their fans when Cashman's final offer inevitably leaks. Of course it could turn out that the players in the other offer outplay the Yankee ones going forward, but given the teams involved, that doesn't seem too likely.
 

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I think they should push the envelope to play the Red Sox off the Yanks regarding the tarde of deGrom. If it doesn't work they've lost nothing.
 

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I think they should push the envelope to play the Red Sox off the Yanks regarding the tarde of deGrom. If it doesn't work they've lost nothing.
It likely won't gain them anything either. Either they get dramatically less than we think, or the Sox bow out early.
 

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Or they could easily win that division the way they've been playing lately
This seems not bloody likely because the Astros are incredible, but if Correa, McCann, and Springer are more hurt than appear, it’s possible.

Jerry Dipoto’s always interesting, and I could see him doing something to boost his chances in the Wild Card game. It’s a defensible move—Seattle’s got the longest playoff drought in the sport.

Paxton’s his best weapon against the Sox, but DeGrom would be better to throw against the Yankees. If he thinks there’s an actual division race, acquiring DeGrom would serve two purposes.
 
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FWIW, 538 gives SEA a 13 percent chance to win the division, a bit higher than the A’s overall chances of making the playoffs (10 percent).