KD wasn’t driving straight to the hoop. He was going east west at that pointHe has half turned toward the benches. No way was he squared.
KD wasn’t driving straight to the hoop. He was going east west at that pointHe has half turned toward the benches. No way was he squared.
Perhaps because the ref is watching to see if player gets shot off.Saw this mentioned on ESPN - Lebron also clearly motions for a timeout with about 1 second remaining. Not acknowledged by refs. Guess that isn’t reviewable.
There was twitter talk that on the Curry drive before the ejection, TT attempted to elbow Curry, and then, on the closeout they misinterpreted his actions--felt he was trying to elbow him again.The Thompson ejection is a joke too. How long is Draymond allowed to taunt people before he’s the one who gets hit with the T? It’s just ridiculous.
I thought it was a block, but whatever. Here's my question--2 NBA referees reviewing it then decided to change the call, knowing how much scrutiny there would be. Why?Yea, at best the call was a tossup. Anyone shouting that it was a clear blocking violation most likely has some seriouds Lebron hate going on
The rule doesn't require the player to be square and also is allowed to be moving/sliding to protect himself. His feet were planted prior to Durant taking off. I've got it 70/30 a charge but like I said at best it's 50/50 and you don't reverse a call that isn't clear.He has half turned toward the benches. No way was he squared.
I was rooting for the Cavs. Thought it was a clear block.Yea, at best the call was a tossup. Anyone shouting that it was a clear blocking violation most likely has some seriouds Lebron hate going on
No, he was going North/South at that point. He was heading straight to the basket at the point Lebron slid in, turned, to Durant’s path. Durant had already made his turn to the basket.We don’t agree on much but we agree on this. Call on the floor HAS to stand there. Got his feet outside the paint and set his lower body square to KD. KD was driving east west not north south.
Unbelievable.
The Thompson ejection is a joke too. How long is Draymond allowed to taunt people before he’s the one who gets hit with the T? It’s just ridiculous.
If the NBA was pulling strings to affect outcomes, we wouldn’t be watching the Cavs and Warriors contest the Finals for the 4th straight season. People are stupid.I thought it was a block, but whatever. Here's my question--2 NBA referees reviewing it then decided to change the call, knowing how much scrutiny there would be. Why?
If there's some NBA conspiracy, it would be towards a longer series.
I thought it looked like he tried to elbow Curry and missed on that play. Didn’t make contact with the elbow at all on Livingston.There was twitter talk that on the Curry drive before the ejection, TT attempted to elbow Curry, and then, on the closeout they misinterpreted his actions--felt he was trying to elbow him again.
The charge rule allows for a player to turn his body. You can see both of LeBron's feet in front of Durant prior to the slight slide, which to me makes the call debatable since the defender got to his spot while making the reversal absurd.No, he was going North/South at that point. He was heading straight to the basket at the point Lebron slid in, turned, to Durant’s path. Durant had already made his turn to the basket.
Like Javie said, there was another Cavs player (Jeff Green?) closing in on Durant on this bang-bang play and his foot WAS on the restricted line. It was perfectly reasonable at game speed for the officials to see multiple players feet moving quickly and one of them being on the line.The bigger issue is it shouldn’t have been reviewed. LBJ wasn’t close to the restricted area.
Not sure that's the case; I get a lot of super NBA fans who post on message boards and twitter are bored with this matchup (I certainly am), but viewership for this matchup has been high previously (and was high last night). I suspect have LeBron, Durant and Curry in the finals to draw in more casual fans outweighs the fatigue factor among hardcore fans.If the NBA was pulling strings to affect outcomes, we wouldn’t be watching the Cavs and Warriors contest the Finals for the 4th straight season. People are stupid.
I’m not sure that’s a “bigger issue” than getting the call right.The bigger issue is it shouldn’t have been reviewed. LBJ wasn’t close to the restricted area.
Indeed. I'm so tired of the Lebron hate here, in the media, everywhere. People are watching one of the greatest of all time bringing a mediocre cast over the line and we get a year of some idiot Warriors fan at this site citing his +/- numbers to troll him, the constant "I don't even want to watch him" (you don't want to watch one of the greatest ever, and you're spending time on a basketball board? Seriously?), to the constant whining about him getting calls (as if).Such BS.
LeBron was jobbed 3 times down the stretch.....the clean strip of Durant when he was whistled for a foul, the next possession when Curry(?) took his arm out on penetration and a play on, and this reversal.
.Yea, at best the call was a tossup. Anyone shouting that it was a clear blocking violation most likely has some seriouds Lebron hate going on
I’d consider myself chief among the LeBron haters on SoSH; but that doesn’t mean I’m denying his greatness. LeBrons easily one of the four or so best players of all time and is having just an incredible, awe-inspiring playoff run.Indeed. I'm so tired of the Lebron hate here, in the media, everywhere. People are watching one of the greatest of all time bringing a mediocre cast over the line and we get a year of some idiot Warriors fan at this site citing his +/- numbers to troll him, the constant "I don't even want to watch him" (you don't want to watch one of the greatest ever, and you're spending time on a basketball board? Seriously?), to the constant whining about him getting calls (as if).
Shut up
Look, every college and high school program I've worked for and been around does this after the first free throw in the final two minutes of each quarter/half. Maybe it doesn't happen in the NBA to be fair. But, this isn't some eight-year old thing.Sure in Biddy Basketball with 8-year olds. The scoreboard is in everyone's face. No coach or is telling their players what the score is when every single person in the arena already knows. That's ridiculous. What the coaches and captains are doing in this situation, what they should be doing, is setting up the defense on a make or a miss.
For all the 10s of millions of bucks he makes every year, he needs to answer every time they aks him.Thanks for posting this. I don't blame him for leaving. How many times should he have to answer the same question?
This is wrong. He had an easy put back. He didn't know the score, because if he did, he wouldn't have dribbled to half court, never once trying to find an open man or take a shot.Just saw the JR replay. I'm not a huge basketball fan, but it didn't look to me like he didn't know the score -- you can see him try to turn back to the basket about a second or two after he got the ball, but he had a defender in his face. Seemed like he didn't think he was in position for a putback, then...just had no idea what to do instead..
I've played in high school and college and this has never been S.O.P. following the first FT. After the foul, prior to the first FTA, is committed the coach communicates with captain on how to defend after both FT's are made or one is missed which he conveys with the players on the floor. Without a timeout in hand every second is crucial and so every player knows how to proceed given the scenarios. Never in all my years of playing organized basketball did a coach remind everyone after the first FT what the game score was......this is all done PRIOR to the first attempt.Look, every college and high school program I've worked for and been around does this after the first free throw in the final two minutes of each quarter/half. Maybe it doesn't happen in the NBA to be fair. But, this isn't some eight-year old thing.
EDIT: In fact, a coach in my program just alerted me that Jay Williams made the same point today.
I wouldn't say it was an easy put back with Durant and his length right next to Smith prepared to swat the putback into the 3th row.This is wrong. He had an easy put back. He didn't know the score, because if he did, he wouldn't have dribbled to half court, never once trying to find an open man or take a shot.
Every single person in the arena and every person watching the game knew the score was tied, except for the guy who got the rebound. It's really one of the most boneheaded plays in the history of sports.I've played in high school and college and this has never been S.O.P. following the first FT. After the foul is committed the coach communicates with captain on how to defend after both FT's are made or one is missed. Without a timeout in hand every second is crucial and every player knows how to proceed. Never in all my years of playing organized basketball did a coach remind everyone after the first FT what the game score was......this is all done PRIOR to the first attempt. There was a clip out there of JR literally looking up at the scoreboard prior to one of the FTA's (unsure of which)......I mean at what point do you hold the player accountable?
The test isn’t how close the player actually was to the restricted zone. The test is whether the refs think he might have been close to the restricted zone. Lots of stuff is happening in full speed NBA basketball.The bigger issue is it shouldn’t have been reviewed. LBJ wasn’t close to the restricted area.
This was my take on it as well. That moment wasn’t about saving JR. it was all about poor him.LeBron hero-lying in front of everyone is peak LeBron. All he had to do was say, 'yeah, he told me he thought we were up and I was mad at the time but guys make mistakes and it's over with. We're all good now moving forward as a team on to the next one.' Nope, LeBron always has to pretend to take the high road, even when he's not. He thinks he's supporting his teammate but what he's really doing is signaling support and he's making it worse. We all saw it on the broadcast, you can't spin what we saw.
Game 1 Ratiungs of the last 4 Finals
2018 — 12.3
2017 — 12.4
2016 — 13.1
2016 — 12.9
Lol, seriously? That's some solid mod work, dude. Screw you, too.we get a year of some idiot Warriors fan at this site citing his +/- numbers to troll him ... Shut up
Which makes me wonder exactly what Lue said to the team before going to the line. Smith said afterward that he was expecting a timeout. Is that what Lue told him he'd do if they rebounded a miss? If so, then Lue is the one who choked, not JR.I've played in high school and college and this has never been S.O.P. following the first FT. After the foul, prior to the first FTA, is committed the coach communicates with captain on how to defend after both FT's are made or one is missed which he conveys with the players on the floor. Without a timeout in hand every second is crucial and so every player knows how to proceed given the scenarios. Never in all my years of playing organized basketball did a coach remind everyone after the first FT what the game score was......this is all done PRIOR to the first attempt.
The NBA said that the 3rd official asked about the restricted area because the other defender's feet were in there, creating confusion.JVG was correct in saying they should have a challenge available for other calls down the stretch. The only reason this got reviewed was because of the question about restricted area, then they can make a judgement call on on it. If this call can be overturned, when it wasn't that close whether he was outside the area or not, other calls should be too.
On the one hand, you're a touchy and defensive Warriors fan, so you might well understand why your rants are suspect.That said, though ... this is a de facto Game Thread, so it's not surprising that in the heat of battle, salty Celtics fans and/or this idiot Warrior fan might occasionally want to knock him down from his throne, rhetorically. Seems to me like they should be free to do that without getting told to shut up or called idiots by mods, but YMMV.
Drake, if you’re serious.Saw this. Who is the deadbeat dad?
I guess I'm the one bonehead here who had already mentally added the second FT and thought the game was over until I saw the score? Of course, part of that was the sight of JR Smith running out the clock, lol. But I think Legler or one of the ESPN analysts nailed what was going through my head, and likely through JR's: you assume Hill will hit that second FT, so have mentally moved on to just having to kill those last 4.7 seconds. When you get the ball you neglect to shift gears and only the "kill the 4.7 seconds" part remains.Every single person in the arena and every person watching the game knew the score was tied, except for the guy who got the rebound. It's really one of the most boneheaded plays in the history of sports.
Me too.I guess I'm the one bonehead here who had already mentally added the second FT and thought the game was over until I saw the score? Of course, part of that was the sight of JR Smith running out the clock, lol. But I think Legler or one of the ESPN analysts nailed what was going through my head, and likely through JR's: you assume Hill will hit that second FT, so have mentally moved on to just having to kill those last 4.7 seconds. When you get the ball you neglect to shift gears and only the "kill the 4.7 seconds" part remains.
FWIW, I made the same mistake.I guess I'm the one bonehead here who had already mentally added the second FT and thought the game was over until I saw the score? Of course, part of that was the sight of JR Smith running out the clock, lol. But I think Legler or one of the ESPN analysts nailed what was going through my head, and likely through JR's: you assume Hill will hit that second FT, so have mentally moved on to just having to kill those last 4.7 seconds. When you get the ball you neglect to shift gears and only the "kill the 4.7 seconds" part remains.
My point is the call was reviewed only because of the restricted area concern, then changed for another reason. They should open up an appeal for calls the officials do not choose to review themselves.The NBA said that the 3rd official asked about the restricted area because the other defender's feet were in there, creating confusion.
The other 2 officials were watching the contact--they can't see the upper body contact and feet at some time.
Gotcha. I was reading on my phone. I agree though.My point is the call was reviewed only because of the restricted area concern, then changed for another reason. They should open up an appeal for calls the officials do not choose to review themselves.
Why?For all the 10s of millions of bucks he makes every year, he needs to answer every time they aks him.
Yes, I think there should be scope for one challenge for each team during the last two minutes. It means the last two minutes will take 45 minutes, but they already take 30 minutes to play as it stands.My point is the call was reviewed only because of the restricted area concern, then changed for another reason. They should open up an appeal for calls the officials do not choose to review themselves.
Hah, yeah, my rants on Steph, Draymond, KD, JaVale et al. are definitely suspect — which is why I (mostly!) try to stay out of your way when you want to rag on them, especially in a game thread context.On the one hand, you're a touchy and defensive Warriors fan, so you might well understand why your rants are suspect.
I think the thing with LeBron is that he's perhaps the only player where it's actually fair to hold his team's performance against him, himself. This makes evaluating him very complicated at this point.Hah, yeah, my rants on Steph, Draymond, KD, JaVale et al. are definitely suspect — which is why I (mostly!) try to stay out of your way when you want to rag on them, especially in a game thread context.
My rants on LeBron may well be suspect too, though in theory they're no more biased than those of Celtics fans, right?
My coaching is now 100% fiba with 3 tos second half. Most summer tournaments restrict TOs to one each in the last 2 minutes.Yes, I think there should be scope for one challenge for each team during the last two minutes. It means the last two minutes will take 45 minutes, but they already take 30 minutes to play as it stands.
Tennis can afford cameras along the key lines which the NFL, apparently, cannot.My coaching is now 100% fiba with 3 tos second half. Most summer tournaments restrict TOs to one each in the last 2 minutes.
Cricket and tennis use replays with much more speed than football and baseball. The CFL has replays done at a central location, and are much faster than the NFL. It doesn't have to be so slow.