I think the dumbassery comes with that weird Hillsong cult that he and KD and Beiber belong to.I thought you guys were just fucking around with this flat earth shit but I'm reading it elsewhere. Please tell me he's goofing on all of us. CHB will have a field day with that.
He was basically a nonfactor in this deal. The biggest thing moved was Kyrie, then the Nets pick, and possibly Crowder after that due to his contract/fit.People are being awfully critical of this deal when no one really knows how ITs hip is going to affect him going forward, or where BK finishes next year (let alone how those pesky ping pong balls fall).
God did I love watching Greg Hawgood those two good years that he had here. But he so terrible at defense. Not that Rosie was any better on that end of the floor, but his offensive game at its best was also fine art.Disappointing trade because of what we gave up but I'm excited by the Irving upgrade to IT. IT was amazing this year but I always saw his game as basically Hawgie hockey, forever limited because of his awful defense
Don't they need cap space to extend him for anything reasonable that he actually might accept? I think it starts at 120% of your current salary which isn't anywhere near what he'd get waiting a year.I doubt they wait until after the season to sign Smart, I expect them to extend him this fall when they can keep the price of the extension down.
Then again a Laker tankathon, with Lonzo getting torched on a nightly basis mixed with a disgruntled Magic will keep us warm many a cold winters night...I'm going to feel so naked without a Brooklyn tankathon thread?
... watching Magic haunted by the ghosts of Paul George and Tamperings Past.Then again a Laker tankathon, with Lonzo getting torched on a nightly basis mixed with a disgruntled Magic will keep us warm many a cold winters night...
I agree. How anyone can believe he thinks the earth is flat is shocking and tells you a lot about what people will believe.The flat earth thing is such a major plus for me. I was kind of ambivalent about him until I learned he told reporters he believed this.
The bolded, on your end I may add, was already covered.Then again a Laker tankathon, with Lonzo getting torched on a nightly basis mixed with a disgruntled Magic will keep us warm many a cold winters night...
Players on their rookie contracts who would have Bird rights can be extended to their maximum salary (25% of cap, typically, although there are numerous exceptions). The Celtics do not need cap space; they are essentially using the Bird exception a year early.Don't they need cap space to extend him for anything reasonable that he actually might accept? I think it starts at 120% of your current salary which isn't anywhere near what he'd get waiting a year.
Yes, for sure. He's perfect wing depth.Tony Allen for a Jae replacement?
Agreed, the players basically feel like cap filler.He was basically a nonfactor in this deal. The biggest thing moved was Kyrie, then the Nets pick, and possibly Crowder after that due to his contract/fit.
That restriction doesn't apply to players still on their rookie deal. The penalty for early extensions is essentially a two year no trade clause. The last year of their rookie deal, for trade purposes, is valued at the average salary for the next five seasons on the outgoing side, but on the inbound side you only get to count the actual salary. And then they become BYC players for the first year of the extension. But from Boston's standpoint this trade essentially means that they view Marcus as a core player going forward.Don't they need cap space to extend him for anything reasonable that he actually might accept? I think it starts at 120% of your current salary which isn't anywhere near what he'd get waiting a year.
This assessment is not complete without knowing the status of Thomas. If Thomas is healthy, Cleveland with him and Crowder is a fair bit better than Boston. I wouldn't be surprised to see the newly reconstructed Celtics take a step back this year as Stevens figures out how to play these guys together.I think we're better than Cleveland this year
I will laugh my ass off if the LA punishment is a ban on signing George, followed by RWB, George, and LeBron (via sign & trade) teaming up in OKC.... watching Magic haunted by the ghosts of Paul George and Tamperings Past.
So they can extend him for whatever they want? Good to know, and definitely agree they need to keep him.That restriction doesn't apply to players still on their rookie deal. The penalty for early extensions is essentially a two year no trade clause. The last year of their rookie deal, for trade purposes, is valued at the average salary for the next five seasons on the outgoing side, but on the inbound side you only get to count the actual salary. And then they become BYC players for the first year of the extension. But from Boston's standpoint this trade essentially means that they view Marcus as a core player going forward.
Yup, with the potential exception that '18 Nets pick could bring a lot of value if traded for something this year.I think we're better than Cleveland this year
I think you owe just about everyone who posted in this thread a beer.So I tried to read through everything in this thread but quit 2 pages ago, so if I'm repeating someone sorry Ill buy you a beer.
In fairness, the Cavs could have some chemistry issues next season, too. IT's not as natural a spot-up shooter as Kyrie (for one thing, he's a smaller target for LeBron); and adding Derrick Rose to the mix risks making them a clusterfuck on offense and a tire fire on defense.This assessment is not complete without knowing the status of Thomas. If Thomas is healthy, Cleveland with him and Crowder is a fair bit better than Boston. I wouldn't be surprised to see the newly reconstructed Celtics take a step back this year as Stevens figures out how to play these guys together.
I will also add that it won't shock me if Irving is traded before his contract is up if the chemistry issues are real. I know that's far fetched for some but the guy has to prove that he can fit his game within an actual system.
I think you owe just about everyone who posted in this thread a beer.
OTOH, if we all had to play by this rule, we'd all be pretty drunk!
On the Zizic replacement front: Andrew Bogut's still looking for a job, last I checked.When evaluating the trade, dont you have to include the two players the C's sign to fill the roster spots left by Jae and Zizic? Because NBA rosters are so tight, having two openings could be fairly valuable as well.
TLDR: He was 53rd in the NBA and 12th among PG's in RPM last year while playing next to the best facilitator in the history of basketball. And that was a good season for him.However, the claims that Kyrie is neither a Top 50 player nor a Top 10 PG are truly ludicrous. Yes, he has some issues, but so do a lot of players that rank 10-50. And few of those players are 25. Fewer still would be available to the Celtics in the near or distant future.
All I gotta say to this is that the team trading picks is that the grass is always greener. If this pick ends up in the top 3... I'd say that the pick has the CHANCE to have the impact of Kyrie. But it also has the effect chance to bust/be 7-12.Just found out about this trade and feel nauseous. Barring a trade that would bring a return of a potentially generational talent, that 18' Nets pick should have been untouchable. Irving isn't that and it's not even close. The true path to the Cs next championship came through the 18' draft or through talent traded for the Nets pick. Landing Irving as a return for that pick suggest that there probably is no path to a championship - at least not until the next rebuild. Ainge has guaranteed the Cs short-50 win teams through the next several years, and unless a player like Tatum ends up emerging as an Mvp caliber player, has probably ruined the teams chances of true championship contention...
I am not a huge NBA expert in advanced stats.. But I call absolute bullshit on a Stat that has Crowder and Amir Johnson as the 20-21 ranked players. Can you explain this to me?TLDR: He was 53rd in the NBA and 12th among PG's in RPM last year while playing next to the best facilitator in the history of basketball. And that was a good season for him.
Kyrie is a good player, but he is massively overrated by people looking at his individual scoring ability and ignoring all of his many flaws.
To be fair, the '18 pick is going to be "a player like Tatum." So if you think that's unlikely then you have to have always felt that contending was unlikely unless Anthony Davis became available (who we still hypothetically have the goods to acquire).Just found out about this trade and feel nauseous. Barring a trade that would bring a return of a potentially generational talent, that 18' Nets pick should have been untouchable. Irving isn't that and it's not even close. The true path to the Cs next championship came through the 18' draft or through talent traded for the Nets pick. Landing Irving as a return for that pick suggest that there probably is no path to a championship - at least not until the next rebuild. Ainge has guaranteed the Cs 50 win teams through the next several years, and - unless a player like Tatum ends up emerging as an Mvp caliber player- has probably ruined the teams chances of true championship contention.
In his career as the Cs GM I have often defended Ainge, and prior to learning of this trade saw him as one of the better GMs in the league. I will no longer be doing that. Fuck Ainge. Fuck this trade.
I really want you to unpack this--why is the 2018 Nets pick so much more valuable than the 2016 Nets pick or the 2017 Nets pick swap?Just found out about this trade and feel nauseous. Barring a trade that would bring a return of a potentially generational talent, that 18' Nets pick should have been untouchable. Irving isn't that and it's not even close. The true path to the Cs next championship came through the 18' draft or through talent traded for the Nets pick. Landing Irving as a return for that pick suggest that there probably is no path to a championship - at least not until the next rebuild. Ainge has guaranteed the Cs 50 win teams through the next several years, and - unless a player like Tatum ends up emerging as an Mvp caliber player- has probably ruined the teams chances of true championship contention.
In his career as the Cs GM I have often defended Ainge, and prior to learning of this trade saw him as one of the better GMs in the league. I will no longer be doing that. Fuck Ainge. Fuck this trade.
As a penalty, the NBA should remove the pick protections.... watching Magic haunted by the ghosts of Paul George and Tamperings Past.
I don't know if I would go as far as you because Ainge could still land another piece with existing assets that might make put the C's over the top.Just found out about this trade and feel nauseous. Barring a trade that would bring a return of a potentially generational talent, that 18' Nets pick should have been untouchable. Irving isn't that and it's not even close. The true path to the Cs next championship came through the 18' draft or through talent traded for the Nets pick. Landing Irving as a return for that pick suggest that there probably is no path to a championship - at least not until the next rebuild. Ainge has guaranteed the Cs 50 win teams through the next several years, and - unless a player like Tatum ends up emerging as an Mvp caliber player- has probably ruined the teams chances of true championship contention.
In his career as the Cs GM I have often defended Ainge, and prior to learning of this trade saw him as one of the better GMs in the league. I will no longer be doing that. Fuck Ainge. Fuck this trade.
Just out of curiosity, how many games do you think the Nets will win next year and why?Barring a trade that would bring a return of a potentially generational talent, that 18' Nets pick should have been untouchable. Irving isn't that and it's not even close. The true path to the Cs next championship came through the 18' draft or through talent traded for the Nets pick.