Yup. That's worse. Wow.That's still not as embarrassing as this:
Yup. That's worse. Wow.That's still not as embarrassing as this:
This highlights how rare his shooting/scoring season was. He had >100 3p attempts, so it's not nothing, but for a forward to shoot as well as he did, as a freshman, in a major conference, is nearly unprecedented over recent history. Searching for Freshman forwards with at least 100 3pa who hit at least 30% of them, and shot at least 80% from the line since 2009 (chosen pretty arbitrarily) returns a small list (26) of mostly small conference guys. Tatum, Markkanen, and Danjel Purifoy of Auburn all did it this season, and there's not much after those 3. Of that group, Tatum leads the way in rebounding and blocks, which emphasizes how rare those shooting stats are for a guy with legit big man size/skills.Apparently Tatum didn't shoot the 3 much at all in AAU ball and had hardly any attempts from NBA range at Duke this year, but I still think he's a decent bet to develop NBA range. He had the 5th highest FT% for freshman non-guards in the past 25 years. FWIW, Andrew Johnson's model projects him as a better shooter than Fultz.
Not terribly worried about Tatum's ability to extend his shot to NBA range given his mechanics and his size. For example, see below.Apparently Tatum didn't shoot the 3 much at all in AAU ball and had hardly any attempts from NBA range at Duke this year, but I still think he's a decent bet to develop NBA range. He had the 5th highest FT% for freshman non-guards in the past 25 years. FWIW, Andrew Johnson's model projects him as a better shooter than Fultz.
I'd like to see him gather the ball higher because as it is, his release is a bit slow, especially in a screen-heavy offense. But given that everything else looks good, I don't think that's a major tweak.Not terribly worried about Tatum's ability to extend his shot to NBA range given his mechanics and his size. For example, see below.
I'd like to see him gather the ball higher because as it is his release is a bit slow, especially in a screen-heavy offense. But given that everything else looks good- strong base, good balance and footwork- I don't think that's a major tweak.Not terribly worried about Tatum's ability to extend his shot to NBA range given his mechanics and his size. For example, see below.
Yes, his dribble drive with the left hand looks weak to me. Defenders will force him to take that jumper every time. They say he's a hard worker. In my view the left hand should be the first thing he works on.does he have trouble driving to the hoop going left? cause his step back and turnaround going left look pretty solid to me.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jayson-Tatum-7249/Yes, his dribble drive with the left hand looks weak to me. Defenders will force him to take that jumper every time. They say he's a hard worker. In my view the left hand should be the first thing he works on.
Tatum also showed the ability to make shots pulling up off the dribble, especially going to his left, where he was particularly comfortable using one or two rhythm dribbles to generate space.
Gotcha.But that's the point. He's fine going to his left to shoot the jumper. He has that nice Pierce-like step back. Tatum is not going to get to the rim going left against most NBA defenders at his present skill level. If he can't get to the rim, it makes the jumper easier to deefend.
They can get around their initial defender as if they aren’t even there, and they create enough separation off the dribble to get wide-open looks without much trouble. Tatum has to score in different ways. Craftiness is not a choice for him; it’s a necessity. He has already mastered the floater, a shot few 6-foot-8 players have in their arsenal, and one that gives him the ability to score over the top of much longer and bigger defenders. It’s a much harder shot than it looks, but Tatum has the body control and the touch around the rim to utilize it in traffic:
Maybe this is sarcasm but he got to the rim by dribbling with his left hand (which DrewDawg was trying to prove by posting the videos)Note in both those clips he finishes with the right hand.
And remember, this all started because a poster said that in the 2 minute long videos he didn't think it looked like he could go left.I understand that and was not arguing with DrewDawg. In the NBA he will need to be capable of finishing with the left. Pierce had a great left hand.
It is a good sign that we are nit-picking at a 19 year old's abillity to go left in the NBA as something he needs to work on going forward. If that is his biggest offensive issue as a 19 year old first year pro, Ainge is going to look really good with this pick.And if you rewatch the video of Ainge's press conference introducingTatum, he said the same thing about Tatum's left hand. He has to work on it.
Seriously. It's not like he's a male model or anything.It is a good sign that we are nit-picking at a 19 year old's abillity to go left in the NBA as something he needs to work on going forward. If that is his biggest offensive issue as a 19 year old first year pro, Ainge is going to look really good with this pick.
Nailed it.Seriously. It's not like he's a male model or anything.
Spoiler: this is from 2010, talking about Gordon Hayward.A large part of the variation in scouts' sentiments about Player X is his physical profile. While he has excellent size for a NBA small forward, he spent a great deal of time at the power forward spot last season and lacks the prototypical athleticism that would allow him to seamlessly transition his game to the next level. He's not terribly explosive and will have to answer some questions about his lateral quickness and defensive ability. But he also has positive attributes. He displays good speed and shows tremendous body control. His ability to use those tools to effectively complement his outstanding basketball IQ and perimeter stroke remains a subject of debate.
He can only shoot from the left arc.That 11th shot looked terrible
Not sure I'd say Henderson's shot looks effortless and I think we'd all be pretty happy if Tatum shot 33% from the NBA 3P line next year.The Iverson "Practice?" Video seems appropriate, but here's Ben Simmons (1-3 3PA in college), Gerald Henderson Jr. (32.7 NBA 3FG%), and Sergio Rodriguez (33.7 3FG%) going 16-19 from behind the arc. Effortlessly.
It's practice.
Thanks man. I thought he was gonna hit 90% from deep this season til you brought the truth.The Iverson "Practice?" Video seems appropriate, but here's Ben Simmons (1-3 3PA in college), Gerald Henderson Jr. (32.7 NBA 3FG%), and Sergio Rodriguez (33.7 3FG%) going 16-19 from behind the arc. Effortlessly.
It's practice.
Assuming DA is right that Tatum is the best player in the draft, and shooting is his calling card, I want the over on 1/3 of next year's treys.Not sure I'd say Henderson's shot looks effortless and I think we'd all be pretty happy if Tatum shot 33% from the NBA 3P line next year.
The guy is 6'8". Nobody that size takes a true jump shot when taking threes, especially not when they are in practice.I know others have pointed the weird hop that Tatum takes in his shot. The biggest thing that I notice is that he doesn't get a lot of lift in his three point shot. Kind of like a vintage set shot. He's tall enough that it might not matter but it's definitely not Ray Allen's form.
This. What's the elevation difference between Tatum's "set shot" and IT jumping 5 feet off the floor on every 3 attempt?The guy is 6'8". Nobody that size takes a true jump shot when taking threes, especially not when they are in practice.
Not all of us, no. The league 3FG% is 35.8%, Jaylen Brown shot 34.1%. If you'll be pretty happy with 33%, what are your actual expectations?Not sure I'd say Henderson's shot looks effortless and I think we'd all be pretty happy if Tatum shot 33% from the NBA 3P line next year.
Well yeah, that's why I mentioned his height.The guy is 6'8". Nobody that size takes a true jump shot when taking threes, especially not when they are in practice.
For reference, here's a guy that's between them in height.Well yeah, that's why I mentioned his height.
But just for reference, at three inches shorter:
The expectations should never be for a 20-year old rookie to step in and be league average at anything right out of the gate. 33% from 3 would be a fine base for Tatum to improve in his second and third seasons moving forward.Not all of us, no. The league 3FG% is 35.8%, Jaylen Brown shot 34.1%. If you'll be pretty happy with 33%, what are your actual expectations?
Jaylen played in 78 games and went 46-135 from 3P land. If he had made 6 fewer, he would have been at 29.6%. If he had made 8 more, he would have been at 40%. We're not talking about a ton of shots here.Not all of us, no. The league 3FG% is 35.8%, Jaylen Brown shot 34.1%. If you'll be pretty happy with 33%, what are your actual expectations?