Man, it really is easy to forget about him. And I'm not a hater.true, plus there's this guy named Sandoval out there who could somehow fight his way back into the 3B picture for 2017.
Man, it really is easy to forget about him. And I'm not a hater.true, plus there's this guy named Sandoval out there who could somehow fight his way back into the 3B picture for 2017.
I think any platooning is less about his neutralish splits and more about Hanley & Shaws huge ones.I'm shocked that it takes an idiot like me to point out that Hill has a reverse split this year and almost identical career LHP/RHP splits.
It would be odd if he didn't bat against RHP, regardless of the game situation.
Am I reading things correctly?
That, or Shaw (or Holt?) will not playing for the Sox much longer.I think any platooning is less about his neutralish splits and more about Hanley & Shaws huge ones.
Could you please consider using a variable other than "X" when discussing players who have been traded?Does this strike anyone else as a bit weird? Why piss on a guy on his way out the door? Maybe there's something lost in translation, but when GMs make trades, isn't the protocol to talk about the benefits of the guy you got and not to dump on the guy you gave up? Sometimes you'll hear a guy say, "X is a really talented player, but given our strength at that position we decided to trade using some of that strength" or something like that. This quote sounds like bus-throwing-under to defend your trade.
Hanley has a huge split this season but doesn't historicallyI think any platooning is less about his neutralish splits and more about Hanley & Shaws huge ones.
.308/.349/.490/.839 career slash line at Fenway... 7 home runs and 15 doubles in 198 at bats.Do I recall Hill liking to hit at Fenway when the Jays had him?
So does this mean they figure Chris Young is out for a long time and Holt is going to be in left not being able to fill in at third? OR is this just them trying to get more power from a RH hitter?
The case for Rijo is that he had that one really good year as an 18 year old in A ball, when he hit .254/.348/.416. The age 19 season was also solid. This year has been calamitous. If a change of scenery or new coaching can get him back to what he was doing, he's a prospect.Here's what Sickels wrote about Wendell Rijo during the off-season:
8) Wendell Rijo, 2B, Grade B-/C+: Age 20, hit .260/.324/.381 with six homers, 15 steals, 34 walks, 94 strikeout in 404 at-bats in High-A, was just 19 for most of the season and playing considerably older competition. Power may increase further, defense took a large step forward in terms of reliability but tools likely limit him to second base.
He's currently hitting .186/.245/.266 in AA. Yuck. We've talked about Wilkerson. Aaron Hill is a solid bat off the bench that can cover the infield and probably learn 1B on the fly if he needs to play there (if we deal Shaw).
Good trade for a good bench upgrade from LaMarre to AHill.
Slugging .500 in the PCL. Maybe he's back?This opens up 3B in Milwaukee for WILL MIDDLEBROOKS! (no joke)
Maybe he finally started wearing glasses?Slugging .500 in the PCL. Maybe he's back?
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I thought the same but while Hill has good #s I think (at least I was) you're thinking of Frank Catalonotto, who used to slaughter us.Do I recall Hill liking to hit at Fenway when the Jays had him?
So does this mean they figure Chris Young is out for a long time and Holt is going to be in left not being able to fill in at third? OR is this just them trying to get more power from a RH hitter?
I'm starting to warm up to moving Shaw. He's likely to always be average, bit below overall at 3rd, and who knows at 1st. Hill seems to project to do at least what Shaw's been doing at 3rd, enough to do a deal for the right SP..308/.349/.490/.839 career slash line at Fenway... 7 home runs and 15 doubles in 198 at bats.
I recall him being very good at first. I hate to give up on the guy this soon. He seems to be making some adjustments. But let's face it, they're going to have to trade somebody for pitching.I'm starting to warm up to moving Shaw. He's likely to always be average, bit below overall at 3rd, and who knows at 1st. Hill seems to project to do at least what Shaw's been doing at 3rd, enough to do a deal for the right SP.
The Brewers AAA team is also located in Colorado Springs, CO - and their stadium is, believe it or not, 1,300 feet higher than Coors Field.Maybe it's the PCL?
I'm not sure if that's "holy fuck not dead weight like Sandoval" talking.I recall him being very good at first. I hate to give up on the guy this soon. He seems to be making some adjustments. But let's face it, they're going to have to trade somebody for pitching.
Yeah, I don't think it'd be giving up on him, as opposed to cashing in on him. He's a solid player, and he's proven it for almost a full season now. Yes, he's slumped, but it sure looks to me like he's coming out of that, and when the guy is hot, he smokes the ball. He might well could bring back a good return for the mound.I recall him being very good at first. I hate to give up on the guy this soon. He seems to be making some adjustments. But let's face it, they're going to have to trade somebody for pitching.
And Reed Johnson, Overbay....there were several in the mid 2000's that killed us.I thought the same but while Hill has good #s I think (at least I was) you're thinking of Frank Catalonotto, who used to slaughter us.
I'm still waiting for us to trade for Joe Carter.And Reed Johnson, Overbay....there were several in the mid 2000's that killed us.
Agreed. My guess is Hill will platoon with Shaw at 3B and be a RHH off the bench.I don't think this portends an immediate move (especially of Shaw) for pitching. DD seems to favor a bit more brute simplicity when compared to the previous few regimes' propensity for complicated stratagems. The Sox have been looking for a RHH bat off the bench for awhile, and you can overlook that he's not an OFer or his reverse splits in light of how he looks to have a good swing for Fenway and the relative cost to get him.
While it might be true that Shaw has played over his head he hasn't been slumping for a bit now. In the past 15 games his OPS is above .850...It's definitely "sell high" time on Shaw... I fear he is starting to turn back into a pumpkin.
I don't know, I think now is a sell low on Shaw and that he will be a very solid, if unspectacular, major leaguer. After the Middlebrooks Experience and Big Sandoval's Kitchen I'd think people wouldnt be so fast to jettison a guy who can play the corners competently and be a plus with the bat for a guy who has already proven he's nothing special (and that's not said to put him down).It's definitely "sell high" time on Shaw... I fear he is starting to turn back into a pumpkin. I like the trade.
Also, Rijo was demoted back down to Salem when Moncada moved up. Was tough on Rijo, but he was overmatched and (allegedly) has problems with concentration, leading to inconsistency in his performance.
Agree with all of this.I don't think this portends an immediate move (especially of Shaw) for pitching. DD seems to favor a bit more brute simplicity when compared to the previous few regimes' propensity for complicated stratagems. The Sox have been looking for a RHH bat off the bench for awhile, and you can overlook that he's not an OFer or his reverse splits in light of how he looks to have a good swing for Fenway and the relative cost to get him.
Yup. It wouldn't be a shock if another deal happens, but it's not necessary in order for this to make sense on its own.I don't think this portends an immediate move (especially of Shaw) for pitching. DD seems to favor a bit more brute simplicity when compared to the previous few regimes' propensity for complicated stratagems. The Sox have been looking for a RHH bat off the bench for awhile, and you can overlook that he's not an OFer or his reverse splits in light of how he looks to have a good swing for Fenway and the relative cost to get him.
Yeah, Hill is essentially Rutledge's replacement.Agreed. My guess is Hill will platoon with Shaw at 3B and be a RHH off the bench.
Well, the Brewers believed enough in him to give up a player who surely has value and might get more as you approach the deadline. They were probably working in this deal and that's why Wilkerson wasn't called up. I think they had to give something to get something. Rijo was a complete flop at AA and no great shakes in Salem. Yeah, he's a year young for the levels he's at but that's all that keeps his value above zero.well, guess the front office never believed in Wilkerson.
They may have bought high on Hill but they also sold high on Wilkerson. He was independent ball in 2013 and has a FB that tops out at 92 and sits in the high 80s.I'm kinda thinking the Sox bought high on Hill. He was pretty lousy in 2014-15, and the decent numbers for 2017 seem driven by a ridiculously hot May. I think all this means is that despite the negative x-rays, they're still a bit worried about Shaw's foot.
It's not just May. I would break his season into four parts.I'm kinda thinking the Sox bought high on Hill. He was pretty lousy in 2014-15, and the decent numbers for 2017 seem driven by a ridiculously hot May. I think all this means is that despite the negative x-rays, they're still a bit worried about Shaw's foot.
Dammit, there goes the bullpen.LaMarre DFA'd to make room on the 40
When Swihart is healthy again, I think he goes right back to AAA to catch. That's presuming his ankle returns to health which I'm not sure we should count on this year.I don't see this as a prelude to a trade for Shaw either. To me it's replacing the primary right-handed bat off the bench who is currently on the DL with a torn hamstring. Those can take forever to heal. Hill can give days off to Shaw, Pedroia and Bogaerts. This way they can keep Holt in left and as the primary backup for Betts and JBJ with Brentz as his backup while Swihart goes through his rehab program. Once Swihart comes back, Brentz gets sent down again. Shaw stays at 3B while also being the back-up to Ramirez.
I agree with this assessment of Shaw and Moncada looks great right now in Portland (pretty similar to Salem except for walks being way down and trading 2B for HR). then again, I'd prefer prospects to force their way onto the roster more or less than move someone that I like in anticipation of their imminent success 2 levels beyond. I'd rather not jump back on the 3B carousel so quickly.I'm in the, this frees up Shaw as a cheap legit major league bat with positional versatility, now almost a full year sample size, camp.
Sure it is, so is Buccholz for Tehran. Who else is in that package though so that both teams would agree to it? A Shaw-headlined package isn't bringing Tehran to Boston.They need a pitcher. Shaw in a package for Tehran is a lot better than Benintendi or Moncada in that package.
As someone who's been to that bandbox many times, I can attest that it's quite hitter friendly, even by PCL standards.The Brewers AAA team is also located in Colorado Springs, CO - and their stadium is, believe it or not, 1,300 feet higher than Coors Field.
Hill is very much like Holt. Positive, versatile and always upbeat. It would surprise me to see any displeasure outwardly.And I agree with Al -- a $12 million platoon/utility guy is a definite malcontent risk.
This is true... and his downturn in production coincided with an injury.While it might be true that Shaw has played over his head he hasn't been slumping for a bit now. In the past 15 games his OPS is above .850...