Yup. Just so long as he has short hair and no beard. You know, the important stuff.
It might even be top 3 historically. Those three pitchers have incredible numbers.Here's hoping the starting pitcher is historically bad. Because that bullpen is top 3 easily in baseball on paper.
Which means Joe Torre will suspend him for 46 days and the MFY will have Miller/Chapman/Betances through 2017.So on MLBTR it says if he is suspended for more than 45 days in 2016 he won't hit six years of service time next year.
Big drop off after them though. KC's is still deeper IMO and just as unhittable usually even if th top end can't exactly touch these NY guys.It might even be top 3 historically. Those three pitchers have incredible numbers.
This post is full of win.I'll bet the only Judge involved will be the one in his girlfriend-beating case.
Aroldis Chapman though is like acquiring two relief pitchers. They can throw him 100 innings and for multiple 2-inning stints. If they are smart about things, they can give these three guys nearly all the high leverage spots.Big drop off after them though. KC's is still deeper IMO and just as unhittable usually even if th top end can't exactly touch these NY guys.
Still a great pickup. That sucks.
He hasn't even hit 70 innings since 2012, and he had only a handful of games where he went more than three outs last year. I do think this frees up Miller to pitch longer outings earlier in the game, but if they can't find another guy or two to be at least somewhat reliable, the bullpen isn't going to be as much of a strength as everyone seems to expect now.Aroldis Chapman though is like acquiring two relief pitchers. They can throw him 100 innings and for multiple 2-inning stints. If they are smart about things, they can give these three guys nearly all the high leverage spots.
And that's what matters. The guys at the back end of the bullpen generally only get themselves thrown in blowouts or games where a starter inexplicably blows up, which really don't happen that often. Close or influential games are more often going to involve/rely on the ridiculous Miller/Betances/Chapman trio.Aroldis Chapman though is like acquiring two relief pitchers. They can throw him 100 innings and for multiple 2-inning stints. If they are smart about things, they can give these three guys nearly all the high leverage spots.
Well, that is because the Reds have been using him as the closer. I believe he has the ability to go longer and for more innings for the year, obviously I could be wrong. The nice thing is, let's say if is a 4-4 game in the top of the 6th, we could see the Yankees bringing in Chapman or Miller or heck even Betances for two innings. That gives the Yankees four lockdown innings in a game, where the other time is possibly throwing their 5th option in the bullpen during the 6th inning.He hasn't even hit 70 innings since 2012, and he had only a handful of games where he went more than three outs last year. I do think this frees up Miller to pitch longer outings earlier in the game, but if they can't find another guy or two to be at least somewhat reliable, the bullpen isn't going to be as much of a strength as everyone seems to expect now.
If they make it to the playoffs, that won't be a factor.He hasn't even hit 70 innings since 2012, and he had only a handful of games where he went more than three outs last year. I do think this frees up Miller to pitch longer outings earlier in the game, but if they can't find another guy or two to be at least somewhat reliable, the bullpen isn't going to be as much of a strength as everyone seems to expect now.
Yeah, let's applaud the Yankees for being willing employ a scumbag who beat up a woman. What a rational, admirable thing to do. GJGE.I applaud the Yankees for apparently looking at this more rationally than others.
I don't recall anyone celebrating the fact that the Sox were able to acquire those players cheaply precisely because of their domestic violence issues, which renders your analogies inapt.You guys know we had Julio Lugo and Wil Cordero for a number of years, yea? And probably a shit ton more of wife beaters back when it was considered sport to rough up your lady if she got out of line.
Seriously. The Cincinnati "rebuild" effort has got to be the worst effort to date among all those teams that are purposely tanking. They hold off to the players too long, then get returns that for the most part, look quite terrible (for now at least). Only a year or so ago they were giving away good prospects for freaking Marlon Byrd. Next to this, the Braves (and the Phillies now) look like geniuses. Granted, the Chapman issue kind of came out of nowhere, but still. In that division, they may be in trouble for a long, long time. How do they not put Votto on the table at this point (and eat half the contract)?[...] On the other side, Reds fans should be fuming for getting Peraza and a bunch of unheralded prospects for Frazier and Chapman. So should Joey Votto and the rest of the Reds team.
To that point - that's been a pretty bad clubhouse the past two years, so them showing restraint by not adding another fruitcake with Puig still on the team probably isn't a terrible idea.And where were the Dodgers? They could have easily beat this package and acquired Chapman. Andrew Friedman continues to perform like the most overrated executive in baseball today.
What the hell are you talking about? Pinchrunner#2 said good on the Yankees for removing non baseball factors out of the equation in acquiring a baseball player that makes them better. That's all he said. sf121 then came in on his high horse and judged them harshly for trying to get better by getting a really great baseball player.I don't recall anyone celebrating the fact that the Sox were able to acquire those players cheaply precisely because of their domestic violence issues, which renders your analogies inapt.
I originally read sf121's post and thought he went a bit overboard. Then I read the entirety of the post he was responding to and realized that he was right.
This is a smart baseball move for the Yankees. But positioning domestic violence allegations as some sort of new market inefficiency - which is what Pinchrunner#2 did - is inappropriate and I'm glad this was noted.
What the fuck?! We would all be sacrificing white baby lambs at the alter of Dombrowski if he had pulled this off.It should be viewed as a positive thing that it's no longer acceptable to do this sort of thing or to welcome players who do. Comparing the Yankees' or Cowboys' actions today to the low standard that used to be prevalent when it came to hiring abusers and wife beaters isn't particularly relevant.
This isn't some brilliant move. It's a pretty despicable one and it sends a terrible message. Hopefully this blows right up in their faces – not because it's the Yankees but because they are in the wrong here.
Judging by what the Yankees gave up, DD could've easily matched that package with a few of our mid 30s prospects. Teams are running from this guy obviously. I for one hope he flops on his new team.What the fuck?! We would all be sacrificing white baby lambs at the alter of Dombrowski if he had pulled this off.
This is what I am referring to in Pinchrunner's post:What the hell are you talking about? Pinchrunner#2 said good on the Yankees for removing non baseball factors out of the equation in acquiring a baseball player that makes them better. That's all he said. sf121 then came in on his high horse and judged them harshly for trying to get better by getting a really great baseball player.
Pinchrunner never said dudes that beat their wives are the new OBP dudes. Please stop making everything a crusade.
The bolded section is factually incorrect. Private employers often look at the conduct of their employees outside of work and make employment decisions based on that conduct regardless of any legal adjudication. To imply otherwise is nonsense.In general I am not a supporter of any sport league/union suspending players because of things they have done wrong in their private life. Sport professionals should not be handled differently than other employees. There are laws and if you do something illegal you'll be punished in court and that's it. In some cases you'll lose your job, if you miss significant time in prison. If a professional tennis player would be charged with domestic violence, convicted or not, the ATP wouldn't do a thing. The player would pay the price or go to prison and return immediately to the tennis court (maybe some tournaments would't invite him anymore if he is not a notable player). The same is correct for every european football league: let tribunal set a punishment if a player is found guilty and that's it.
I applaud the Yankees for apparently looking at this more rationally than others.
The Joel Sherman piece I linked above explains it pretty well, after CIN's attempt to move Phillips fell through, they needed to clear money and this seems to have been the best offer left on the table for Chapman (there were supposedly three other teams still trying for him along with NY).What the hell is wrong with the Reds? They can't even make basic baseball decisions in a reasonable and sound manner. They don't get enough for Frazier and then they turn around and give away Chapman for basically nothing. I don't want to hear about the Yankees prospects. The 3b was going nowhere, too many strikeouts, can't field, always hurt. The one pitcher has some upside, but he is a future middle of the rotation starter at best, and the odds are against him reaching his ceiling. I would rather have one qualifying offer draft pick than the four players the Reds received. With that draft pick, I might be able to select someone with a high ceiling. I would also rather hold on to Chapman to see if I can get something valuable for him at the trade deadline. The Reds moved Chapman at a time when his value was incredibly low. And where were the Dodgers? They could have easily beat this package and acquired Chapman. Andrew Friedman continues to perform like the most overrated executive in baseball today.
That plus his salary cost. There are only so many teams willing to pay 8 figures to a closer, let alone one with significant uncertainty hanging over him. The Yankees had that luxury as well....Also NY can afford to roll the dice on Chapman's suspension because they have Betances/Miller to cover any time he may be suspended, most other teams don't have that luxury.
Cordero was suspended by the Sox for 8 games, and released by the Red Sox after the season. They weren't quick to react, but it wasn't like he had a prior known history before he arrived in Boston. Maybe the Sox knew internally, but publicly there wasn't anything. Lugo was designated for a assignment the day after his 2003 incident, and the Sox picked him up 4 years later. There's a bit of difference there, no?You guys know we had Julio Lugo and Wil Cordero for a number of years, yea? And probably a shit ton more of wife beaters back when it was considered sport to rough up your lady if she got out of line.
Really equating the two seems ridiculous???I didn't want to get into this side of things too much because no one really knows what happened, and I didn't pay attention to the specifics of this case until after this deal happened yesterday, but as best I can tell it's not clear that there was any domestic abuse at all. Equating Chapman and Greg Hardy seems pretty ridiculous, at least based on what I've read.
It is rational. To me at least. The question here is: what do you get in on-field value by adding Chapman for what baseball price in terms of prospects? And not, what could he have done and would we look bad because of it when adding him? Remember, Chapman has not been found guilty of anything yet. I would have added Chapman in heatbeat for that package. MLB should not be suspending people based on hearsay or their own investigation nor on actual conviction. That would be punishing somebody twice for the same act (if convicted, and if not, it would be just random). That's my opinion and apparently the approach of a lot of sport unions.Yeah, let's applaud the Yankees for being willing employ a scumbag who beat up a woman. What a rational, admirable thing to do. GJGE.
Not true. Or at least it is not a complete post, since we seemingly are all looking for a needle in a haystack in one another posts.The bolded section is factually incorrect. Private employers often look at the conduct of their employees outside of work and make employment decisions based on that conduct regardless of any legal adjudication. To imply otherwise is nonsense.
Absolutely. I would have loved a Chapman-Kimbrel-Smith-Uehara-Tazawa bullpen...Insane.We would all be sacrificing white baby lambs at the alter of Dombrowski if he had pulled this off.
The morally-reprehensible, led by you, would be cheering. Adults would be sadly shaking our heads and canceling our ticket orders.What the fuck?! We would all be sacrificing white baby lambs at the alter of Dombrowski if he had pulled this off.
I don't think it is clear cut as you make it out. If the woman is going to stay in the relationship or leave and collect alimony/child support, you are hurting her and her children financially by not employing her husband/boyfriend. Let's say no MLB team will pay this guy to pitch.....then what? We all feel good about ourselves and he becomes a__________(fill in the blank).The morally-reprehensible, led by you, would be cheering. Adults would be sadly shaking our heads and canceling our ticket orders.
Some things are more important that baseball. Not beating up women is one of them. Maybe try to learn this lesson in between wrestling matches and bro-downs.
pushing someone up against a wall with your hands wrapped around their neck is physically assaulting someone.Again, I really don't want to be in the position of defending someone's actions when I don't know exactly what happened, but to me the fact that there were zero signs of Chapman physically assaulting his girlfriend is important, and that's for me what stands in stark contrast to the Hardy case. That is hopefully the last post I will make about this component of the deal because it makes me feel dirty to discuss without more being known, but I also dislike the mass (and pretty understandable) rush to judgment that I'm seeing from some people.
I'm sure they'll do it by the start of the season, this happened at the end of October and they have months still to figure it out before Opening Day.I guess I could see the Yankees potentially getting screwed by the suspension. How much time could it take for the investigators to figure out what happened? What is the appropriate time for MLB to levy the suspension? I could see a scenario where Chapman gets suspended for all of Sept. and they lose him for the stretch run.
Obviously true.pushing someone up against a wall with your hands wrapped around their neck is physically assaulting someone.
I don't understand that perspective, but ok. My statement is based on this, what i meant by 'zero signs':Your point about not knowing exactly what happened and refraining from a rush to judgment is well taken. However, the bolded statement is patently untrue. The victim described a physical assault. You may not believe her, but her statement is renders the claim "zero signs" incorrect.