Why Do I Continue to Read Peter King?

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Um, that's why it's probable that he wasn't complaining about the volume. Peter King lives his life on trains, planes and automobiles. All of his stories are going to come from cell phone conversations---his with football people, or those he overhears.

And again, I didn't read the comment about being a bad parent as snarky.
 

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Someone has a crush on Favre.

So Favre's gotten in great shape in each of the last two years, listened to his coaches as much as or more than ever and studied his opposition more than he ever has. Used to be that quarterback coaches would have to wake Favre up during meetings once or twice a week, back in his partying days. No more. If this is it -- although those around think he'll keep playing after this year, though he hasn't made the decision -- he wants to make sure he doesn't take any shortcuts.
Though to be honest, this paragraph didn't do him many favors: he'd fall asleep in meetings twice a week, he showed up fat, didn't really listen to coaches and didn't study the opposition that much? Wow. What a superstar!

I did like the Pottsville story, that was pretty cool.
 

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King will have a decent column (despite the gushing) and then come up with a throw away line like today's "the brawls in hockey are out of control" that make me cringe.

He came off as a prissypants who doesn't realize that every year marginal players are literally fighting for jobs in the preseason, and the number off fights drop off a great deal when the regular season starts.

He seems like a very nice guy, but when he talks about other sports, like baseball or hockey, he doesn't do himself any favors.
 

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King is making a truly pathetic attempt to play both sides of the videotape argument. He says Brady and Moss are 2 of his 5 top MVP candidates, and picks the Pats handily tonight. Then he PRAISES Gregg Easterbrook for his piece of garbage last week about keeping the "scandal" alive, at the same time saying that he himself doesn't believe it tarnishes the Patriots accomplishments.

Peter King: multitasking ass-kisser
 

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This is like Peter King on HGH:
That line was a vivid reminder why reading King on any sport other than football is perilous.

Love Manny or hate him, these past three games and this past September make it pretty clear --not that it wasn't already readily apparent -- that the Sox are substantially more difficult to beat with Manny behind Ortiz in that line-up than not.

The Manny comment and his continued whining in that same article about "VideoGate," and specifically his comment that Belichick owes the NFL and public an explanation, are just silly. Whether Belichick owes us something or not (and he doesn't), the chances of him saying "dammit, I want to tell the story and clear the air" are about as good as him kissing Mangini on the mouth after the Pats bury the Jets in December. Belichick is obviously all about the next game, and for King to waste time on the desire to hear from him on this story shows that his grasp of what's possible with Belichick is very far from reality.
 

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3. I think what makes me not want to forget the Patriots' Spygate story are conversations like the one I had with a club official the other day, a man I respect a lot. "From what I hear, it's best for everyone in the league if this story just goes away,'' he said.
Also, I think that King took this quote the completely wrong way. The club official was trying to make a point (one I think that many people here have made) that this was likely not a practice confined just to the "cheating Patriots" but probably a league-wide practice in playing at the fringes of the rules. Before Mangini it was likely delt with by coaches asking guys to leave or temporarily confiscating cameras (ex. Packers game, Pats v. Jets last year). It seems that quotes from Parcells, Keyshawn and other coaches/players reinforced the idea that this was common practice. As usual it seems that King misses the point when it comes to his "moral outrage".
 

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Also, I think that King took this quote the completely wrong way. The club official was trying to make a point (one I think that many people here have made) that this was likely not a practice confined just to the "cheating Patriots" but probably a league-wide practice in playing at the fringes of the rules. Before Mangini it was likely delt with by coaches asking guys to leave or temporarily confiscating cameras (ex. Packers game, Pats v. Jets last year). It seems that quotes from Parcells, Keyshawn and other coaches/players reinforced the idea that this was common practice. As usual it seems that King misses the point when it comes to his "moral outrage".
Yea. Or it could have simply meant "This isn't worth dwelling on, so it's best if it just goes away, because otherwise scribes like you are going to keep dwelling on it."
 

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King, defending his Caliendo over Belushi comment; "Calendo is the funniest guy in America"
 

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hmmmm...which one of these guys does Peter King thing is NOT better than Wang:

Johan Santana, Roy Halladay, Josh Beckett, CC Sabathia, Justin Verlander

Its not that I don't think Wang is a good pitcher. Its just without doing ANY research those are the guys who come to mind when I think top 5 in the AL. Any of those you'd bump from your rotation for Wang?
 

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hmmmm...which one of these guys does Peter King thing is NOT better than Wang:

Johan Santana, Roy Halladay, Josh Beckett, CC Sabathia, Justin Verlander

Its not that I don't think Wang is a good pitcher. Its just without doing ANY research those are the guys who come to mind when I think top 5 in the AL. Any of those you'd bump from your rotation for Wang?

Bedard, Lackey, Haren, Escobar, Carmona.

Wang doesn't make my top 10 (barely)
 

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PK is about to "discover" how good the Rockies, Dbacks and Indians are, just as he discovered already-famous musicians
 

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11:42 p.m.: Borowski throws a wicked sinker. Posada swings. Strike three. "The game is over!'' Chip Caray yells on TBS. Pigpile on Borowski. Yanks in shock, watching Indians celebrate on their field the way the Marlins did in winning the World Series four years earlier.
He's a Red Sox fan, supposedly? Why does he not immediately think of the ALCS 2004, but rather WS 2003?
 

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Also, I think that King took this quote the completely wrong way. The club official was trying to make a point (one I think that many people here have made) that this was likely not a practice confined just to the "cheating Patriots" but probably a league-wide practice in playing at the fringes of the rules. Before Mangini it was likely delt with by coaches asking guys to leave or temporarily confiscating cameras (ex. Packers game, Pats v. Jets last year). It seems that quotes from Parcells, Keyshawn and other coaches/players reinforced the idea that this was common practice. As usual it seems that King misses the point when it comes to his "moral outrage".
I couldn't agree more. The league isn't protecting the Patriots, it's making the story go away to protect everyone else in the league. In reality, the Pats are getting shafted. After the absurd posturing by media people, I've stopped reading TMQ on ESPN (as if being anti-semitic wasn't bad enough) and have a hard time listening to Cris Collinsworth now.

Also, I thought King listened to Mike and Mad Dog. If he did, maybe he would have heard Jimmy Johnson say, on September 28th:

(full interview available at http://www.wfan.com/pages/744503.php):

Q: How about the spying thing Jimmy. You're a coach does that bother you what Belichick did?

JJ: Oh please. I've said it on our show. Eighteen years ago a scout for the chiefs told me what they did, and he said what you need to do is just take your camera and you go and zoom in on the signal caller and that way you can sync it up. The problem is that if they're not on the press box side you can't do it from the press box, you have to do it from the sideline. This was 18 years ago.

Q: You think the NFL came down too hard on them?

JJ: No, no, I said it on the show. He was wrong for doing it for the simple reason that the league knew this was going on not just in New England but around the league. And the league sent out the memorandum to all of the teams saying you cannot do this. And os that's when Bill Belichick was wrong. After he got the memorandum saying don't do it any more, he did it.

Q: Did you ever steal signals?

JJ: Oh in a heartbeat, yeah. Yes I did.

Q: Via video, Jimmy? Or no?

JJ: Oh yeah, I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in the league. Just to make sure that you could study it and take your time, because you're going to play the other team the second time around. But a lot of coaches did it, this was commonplace.

Q: But did you do it by taping the signal caller?

JJ: Yeah.

Q: Oh you did.

JJ: That's what I'm saying. I was saying one of Marty Schottenheimers scouts, Mark Hatley, who has passed away now, Mark told me that's how they did it, and Howard Mudd their offensive line coach with Kansas City, who now coaches for Tony Dungy, he was the best in the entire league at stealing signals.
 

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Peter King on Inside the NFL on HBO right now STILL F'IN HARPING ON CAMERAGATE...STFU Peter...go blow Brett Favre...
 

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Wade Phillips denies "Spygate" comments

"The league, the Patriots, everybody, they just want this Spygate thing to go away," HBO's Peter King said on the latest episode of "Inside The NFL" on Wednesday. "But Wade Phillips this week told me something that I think a lot of coaches around the league and a lot of people around the league are still thinking, and that is, 'Hey, New England was caught cheating, and it is a black mark on their success.' "

Phillips said he didn't know of King's comments until a reporter told him.

"No, I didn't say that at all," Phillips told the Dallas Morning News after Thursday's practice.
Interesting. Looks like someone here's not telling the truth.
 

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Well, one of these people has been pushing an anti-Belichick agenda for the last 35 or so days.
One of these people is playing the Pats in two days, so denying it makes sense for Phillips, especially if he thought he was off the record.

EDIT: Beaten to the punch by jsinger
 

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My guess would be Phillips is lying. Obviously King has been very anti-Pats, but to make up a quote/allegation from a specific person would seem like a very risky thing to do. Especially since he's been one of the leaders (along with Easterbrook) of the anti-Belichick/Pats arguement.
 

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My guess would be Phillips is lying. Obviously King has been very anti-Pats, but to make up a quote/allegation from a specific person would seem like a very risky thing to do. Especially since he's been one of the leaders (along with Easterbrook) of the anti-Belichick/Pats arguement.
And since he's one of the most respected football writers in the country (at least within the league). This is the guy who text messages Trent Green after he gets the stuffing knocked out of him and gets a text back. There is no way he would risk his relationships with people around the league to make up a quote with no relevant news in it.

Pretty soon Wade Phillips is going to start denying that the Music City Miracle happened.
 

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Maybe Phillips said it in jest. You should never joke with reporters :fonz:
You joke, but that may not be far from the truth. Especially if he is joking to a reporter who's been zealously anti-Pats, King may have been perfectly willing to accept his quote as genuine sentiment.

Of course, this is all just speculation, based on few facts and lots of assumptions and half-truths on my part. I'll leave that sort of irresponsible rumor-mongering to the professional journalists.
 

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Just listened to him on Dale & Holley. He didn't do a great job of telling me why he continues to harp on this, and I was ready to listen to him. He acknowledges that there is not a great deal of value that could be derived from videotaping, yet wants BB to explain himself.

I think we're on the last legs, let's hope anyway.
 

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King is on Dale and Holley right now. Both are taking him to task for his over zealousness in the cameragate thing. Arnold asked him point blank, "If someone has told you that there is something more to this story, spill it." King said no one has said anything like that to him, but he feels that it's his duty to inform the American public that the Super Bowl is on the level. He went into a whole song and dacne about how the SB is the biggest game in America, people can't think that one team is cheating, etc. He's really on his high horse about this.

He also finds it strange that the NFL would finish their investigation so quickly and then try to go move pass the issue. I'm really not sure what his point is here, because he thinks that the NFL did it's due dilligence but he's also not sure if they went deep enough and thinks that they're trying to hide this.
 

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It's a good thing America has Peter King around to protect the integrity of the Super Bowl.

No, Peter King doesn't have any pre-conceived biases in his reporting. Nosirree.

This is the man who once wrote (when talking about Favre) that he would never presume to tell a professional athlete when to retire. The very next week, he wrote that he thought Steve McNair should hang 'em up. The man is a hypocrite.
 

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Keep in mind, the guy gets all excited every november when starbucks trots out their pumpkin-pie lattes. I wouldn't get too worked up about what he says. Every football fan out there thinks that King is against their favorite team. If you wade through his columns, there's some decent stuff; presumably, that's why so many people read his work and complain about it. By no means do I love PK, but I can't say that I detest him, either. Whenever he strays from straight football action to pop culture or other sports (or just becomes judgmental), I just skim past it. He's just not that interesting of a guy, and I myself don't care about his personal tastes or opinions.
 

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There was zero new evidence to justify HBO's resurrecting this story and continuing their rumor-mongering. In fact, the only new content was Costas' talk with Goodell which only serves to argue against King & Collinsworth.
He also finds it strange that the NFL would finish their investigation so quickly and then try to go move pass the issue. I'm really not sure what his point is here, because he thinks that the NFL did it's due dilligence but he's also not sure if they went deep enough and thinks that they're trying to hide this.
I've seen King and others use this theory a few times. They assume that since the investigation reached a quick resolution and the NFL has moved on, then there must be a lot more to the story. How is that even remotely logical? Applying that same standard in disproving conspiracies would lead one to wear a tinfoil hat, move into a bunker and wait for Elvis' return. Wouldn't the most reasonable inference be that the investigation had reached a satisfactory conclusion?

If someone believes that the cameras had implications on the Super Bowls, at least be consistent. Since Jimmy Johnson admitted to doing the exact same thing, why have none of the conspiracy theorists shown any outrage with regards to his two championships? In order for these people to have a consistent standard, then they must argue not only for a grand conspiracy, but that the Commissioner is a bald-faced liar and at least five Super Bowls are illegitimate. Their proof? That Goodell was satisfied with the investigation's findings. At this point, one ceases to qualify as a journalist or responsible broadcaster.

Jimmy Johnson said:
Oh yeah, I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in the league. Just to make sure that you could study it and take your time, because you're going to play the other team the second time around. But a lot of coaches did it, this was commonplace.
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My guy was up with my camera crew in the press box. So you'd just put an extra camera up with your camera crew in the press box who zoomed in on the signal callers. That's the best way to do it, but anyway you can't always do that because the press box camera crew might be on the same side as the opposing team. If they're on the same side as the opposing team that's when you need to do it from the sideline.
 

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Holley specifically brought up Jimmy Johnson's and Bill Parcell's admissions that they did the same thing, but King just sluffed them off and ignored it. It was a strange interview (and I only heard parts of it) because D&H obviously respect King a ton, so they couched their questions and King was talking in circles out of both sides of his mouth.

One thing he said was that he interviewed Mike Martz about the Pats' "cheating" and asked if he (Martz) thought that there was anything funny going on in the Super Bowl. King said that Martz didn't think that there was any filming of plays or hand signals at all. He then went on to say that at a Rams practice (King didn't say when) he thought that someone was videotaping their plays from a hotel room across from the stadium, but was positive that it wasn't the Patriots.

Basically, what it comes down to is that the commissioner doesn't think that the Patriots are cheating any more, one of the Super Bowl coaches (who was the biggest goat of the game -- for some reason he wouldn't run Faulk at all though he was killing NE) doesn't believe that the Pats were cheating, yet King is banging the drum that they are. It really boggles the mind.
 

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I think King and, to a certain extent, Easterbook want to be credited with getting the "scoop" in the event something more does come out of this. They have something to gain if a conspiracy is uncovered.

This comes up and King gets visions of being the Sporting World's answer to Woodward and Bernstein.
 

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King's follow-up on the alleged mis-quoting flap:

9. I think, for the record, here's my side of Wade Phillips calling me a quote-fabricator. We spoke last Tuesday night about his team's miracle win in Buffalo, and after that we talked about the idiocy of the late-game field-goal do-overs, about the Patriots' Spygate scandal, and about how he hopes the league will pass a coach-to-defense communication system the same way the league allows quarterbacks to get plays called into their helmets.

He said the league's sanctioning the Patriots for cheating "was a black mark on their success ... not that I bet they gained much from it.'' He praised the Patriots and thought they deserved all the credit for winning the three Super Bowls.

I reported what he said about the "black mark'' on HBO's Inside the NFL show, and Phillips denied saying it in press conferences over the next two days. All I said afterwards was that I stand behind what I said, and that's all I will continue to say, because really, what else is there to say? He said it, I reported it, he disputes it. I dispute his denial. This job is based in part on trust, and you are going to have to decide who you trust -- Phillips or me.
This sounds perfectly logical and I, for one, completely believe him. However, given the context of the original quote, and the context in which King used it (to bolster his contention that this was a bigger deal than the league is letting on) I think Wade Phillips has reason to be upset. He shouldn't be claiming that he didn't say it, because he did, but King isn't blameless in this. A reporter's job isn' t merely to report or quote whatever helps his story, his job is to report the full story and let the reader make up his/her mind. King isn't a reporter, necessarily, so he gets away with being more opinionated. However, if you are trying to act as a reporter, Peter, you have to report thoroughly like one. The omission of the last half of that quote was obviously intentional, because had you quoted it in its entirety, its inclusion in its original context would have been absurd.
 

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King, now realizing the Patriots success will be a season-long story, is in complete backpedal today. Pushes Brady for MVP, praises Kraft for Columbia donation, says Phillips responsible for spygate comments, disses Owens for not calling Patriots best team in the league, then does the triple-soukou bnackflip 3.5 with a twist by naming Dante Scarnnechia coach of the week. Not that it's not derserved, but it comes 2-3 weeks after King through Dante (and his son) under the bus in his continuing spygate coverage.
 

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WADE REVISITED. From Bill Kane of Providence, R.I.: "Peter, regarding the Wade Phillips 'misquote,' it seems that what he is really objecting to it that you didn't include the part where he said that it was a black mark, but "...that I doubt they gained much from it ... " Leaving off the second part really does change the tone of his comments, and hence, he could argue that he was misquoted.''

He could. But he never did. All he said was he didn't say what I quoted him as saying.
So basically Peter is saying. Yes, I misquoted him, but he's the bad guy because he didn't say the exact words, "I misquoted him". I mostly really like King, but he's been a total douche this year.
 

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The thing is, if Phillips said the 'black mark' part of the quote i don't think it matters that much whether he hedged it with the 'they would have won anyway' type comment. So while King could certainly have included more for context, I don't see it as changing the overall point here, personally.

The Pats legacy was the question, and 'black mark' speaks pretty clearly to it, seems to me. Whether it was actually said, of course, we just have to decide who to believe.
 

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The thing is, if Phillips said the 'black mark' part of the quote i don't think it matters that much whether he hedged it with the 'they would have won anyway' type comment. So while King could certainly have included more for context, I don't see it as changing the overall point here, personally.

The Pats legacy was the question, and 'black mark' speaks pretty clearly to it, seems to me. Whether it was actually said, of course, we just have to decide who to believe.
It seems to me that what Phillips meant was that there is a "black marK" on the Pats' success, and in his opinion that's unfair because it didn't help them that much, and they would have won anyway. If that's the case, then leaving out the second part does change the point, and pretty drastically, I think. That may be meeting him more than halfway, though.
 

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Jeff Kent. Jesus. The record for most home runs by a second baseman is held by Jeff Kent. Duh. For a guy who likes baseball, he doesn't know a lot about it.

(He said Tony Gonzalez breaking the TD record for tight ends was no big deal, kind of like being the HR leader for second basemen, and then implies that of course nobody knows who that is.)
 

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Jeff Kent. Jesus. The record for most home runs by a second baseman is held by Jeff Kent. Duh. For a guy who likes baseball, he doesn't know a lot about it.

(He said Tony Gonzalez breaking the TD record for tight ends was no big deal, kind of like being the HR leader for second basemen, and then implies that of course nobody knows who that is.)
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Kinda funny that you mention this because I was in Atlanta about a year and a half ago playing trivia at a sports bar, and the trivia question was "who holds the record for career homeruns by a second basemen?" Of course I knew it was Kent, but was shocked when the host announced that the correct answer was Ryan Sandberg and only one group missed it. Well I went up to him and told him he better go check that because I was about 99% sure it was Kent. He came back after the next round and announce he was wrong. Our group ended up winning.

So I guess the moral is not that many people really do know.
 

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Phillips says King quoted him accurately, although not completely.

King then takes Phillips to task for complaining about it in such a nitpicky way.

Which is funny, because King is being twice as nitpicky to try to prove that he's "right."
 
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In today's MMQB, Peter King said that Moss has more TD's than any Pats wideout since 1971. I bet Stanley Morgan would disagree. Twice.
 

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Can someone begin to explain the below quote to me? How is the story the same? And the "story" is really only about payroll? But, if that's the case, it makes no sense because of the salary cap.

New England (8-0) at Indianapolis (7-0). The only thing like it in sports today in competitive intensity is Red Sox-Yankees -- and Colts-Pats, to the country, is much, much bigger because, of course, football is much, much bigger. But the story is the same. Yanks win division after division, Red Sox spend $102 million on a Japanese pitcher. Yanks let their Hall of Fame manager walk and ponder raising the salary of the highest-paid player in baseball in order to not risk losing him. And so it goes. One team trumps the other, continually.