I don't know, do we think he would have coached until he was 90? At some point he won't be able to do it anymore, maybe that some point is now?
I think it's more likely what he lost was Tom Brady. That (or at least not having a QB) coupled with some poor decisions in picking offensive draftees and FAs is what's led to the recent suck.
Probably a little of everything. NFL coaches just don't coach at that age. Only 5 have coached past 70 and Bill and Pete Carroll are 2 of them. Levy, Halas, and Romeo Crennel(interim) are the other three.
I watched Jim Boeheim coach until he was 77. It was abundantly clear than in his last few years he wasn’t putting in the hours he once did: he was absent on the recruiting trail, his schemes were increasingly old and ineffective, his player evaluations were poor, etc. He also had problems relating to players that were practically grandchildren to him.
Indeed. The GM did a particularly bad job with the roster and that guy is probably not going to be a hot commodity in the NFL.
I totally agree, just feel like if this is it for him there's going to be too much "yea, but..." for my taste.
There's no universe in which Bill would sniff the Hall of Fame without a ticket solely on the back of his DC work with the Giants. Buddy Ryan isn't in.
Energy. Klopp explained it pretty well in his LFC departure announcement interview. And he’s decades younger than BB.
Hang on. Is this the same sports coat he wore for his farewell press conference?!I wonder whether Jon Gruden would write it. He's already written a successful book: View: https://www.amazon.com/Do-You-Love-Football-Winning/dp/B000C4SGOG
He was also totally charming on the ESPN college set before Army-Navy, which produced the all-timer Belichick image below: https://www.patriots.com/video/coach-bill-belichick-discusses-the-history-and-importance-of-army-navy-game-on-e
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I don't think it's silly at all. Every team wants what the Pats had-decades of stability. Pete Carroll is an excellent coach who is also old, nobody is beating his door down either. It sucks but youth and the chance for a long-term plan is what the teams seem to value most now.
I think it's bad strategy to ignore the data you have in the hope that you hit an outlier. If most coaches are only going to last 3-5 years, then you shouldn't make how long they might hypothetically last a particularly high priority, especially in the NFL where 90% of your roster is turning over every few years. I think most NFL owners are smart enough that they aren't going into their coaching search with "is young enough that if he turns out to be the greatest coach of his generation AND we hit on our GM, and we hit on QB..... we could get a 7-10 year run." being more important than "is he the best coach for our situation". Especially since half these owners are gonna be dead or bedridden in 10 years, maybe 5.
This deserves some love!
This is where I'm at. Fair to debate if he's the greatest, great, or a good coach who matched fortuitously with Brady (anyone saying he's a bad coach who just rode Brady's coattails is an idiot). But I also don't get all the rending of garments. I don't really know if he's "despicable" or not, though he certainly does make it his business to arrogantly treat others in public with condescending disdain, which to me is a sign of a jerk. But whatever... he's an extremely wealthy man who is highly respected and also quite old. If he doesn't get hired..so be it.
Bingo!
"Under his decision-making umbrella" is so vague as to be meaningless. (despite the use of fancy-sounding words designed to make it sound specific and official-ish). Not saying he didnt want it all, just that this tweet doesn't really say that, IMO.
I think one argument would be that the game has changed and he doesn't fully grasp what sort of QB and offensive weapons you need to compete these days. Not saying I believe it.
Yes teams not jumping on Vrabel is even more mind-boggling to me than BB still being unemployed.
Why? He's a decent but not that accomplished coach who got shown the door in TEN allegedly because he was unable to function with multiple GMs and started looking for an exit when not given player personnel control. Bill Bellichick can point to 2 decades of unprecedented success and 6 rings when asking for player personnel control. Vrabel can point to 3 playoff appearances, and only 2 wins, 5 years ago. What does Vrabel really have that makes him a shoo-in for a job compared to other guys in the field?
Not particularly, but I also think he's a guy with a lot of success as a coordinator and who won't want Player Personnel control, and who has a great existing relationship with the decision makers in place.
Bingo.
He really hasn’t had a lot of success as a coordinator. He’s been mediocre to bad. Coaches and media members have been telling us he’s awesome and such a great coordinator but the numbers don’t back that up at all.
I also hope he does well in his second chance, and no reason to suspect he wouldn’t. I wonder if the result is driven by the process though. I mean obviously it is, but specifically is it the result of doing fifteen interviews once and another bunch a second time over a couple weeks?
I think whatever process NFL teams go through to choose head coaches is really dumb - it might not be but that would mean their process for deciding when to fire them is also very bad.
He got Ryan Tannehill to the AFC championship. I believe it was his GM who made the stellar decision to trade away AJ Brown, no? I think that’s a valid reason to not get along with him. He’s the same age as Raheem as has had much more success as a head coach, that’s why I’m surpsied Raheem got a gig before him.
He had 2 GMs, and he took a pretty loaded team nowhere after that one kinda fluky season, (they were 9-7 and won two playoff games with Derrick Henry running for THREE HUNDRED SEVENTY SEVEN yards in them). Also, seriously... you think AJ Brown is the difference between a 1 seed and a below .500 team? It also doesn't explain why his team with AJ Brown shit the bed as a home playoff favorite.
i agree with u 100% i really think had this happed last season he would had a shot in Denver denver new owners wanted a big name and with bill denver would had kept their 1st round pick the gm likely would had left the only drawbacks would be
There are a lot of valid reasons for teams to be wary of hiring BB:
Agree with the organizational power structure issue, but I think you're under estimating the "long term upside" many teams are hoping for with a head coaching hire.
Like the bolded is true, but it's true because everyone you're drafting has zero track record in the NFL - and even picks that are supposed to have a 'high floor' still flame out a lot more often than former all-Pro players do.
I agree this is what's actually happening, and even that for some teams that are looking at a decade-long rebuild it could be the right call... but I think the risk/reward is a lot closer than you're suggesting. Buf or Dal needs 'ok' like tomorrow; there's a number of teams for which 'above-average competence' could mean playoff contention within 3-4 years
….and that record is a shit ton better than Raheem Morris.
I assume coachng tenure and coaching success are highly correlated, and no teams are out there looking for a coach who will fail.
Also better than Bill's in the past 4 years. People don't seem to realize that the only franchise that had reason to heavily weigh what Bill accomplished 10+ years ago was the Patriots, and they fired him. No team is looking at Bill with the sort of reverence he'd get in, say, 2015.
To some people, process is way way more important than results.
I don't agree. The numbers back me up and do not back you up, of course. Please review the standings and let me know if there was a team who scored less points than the Patriots in 2023.
