This year they are stuck with Mac. But next year they can, should, and likely will move on to someone else (draft pick or FA).
Week 1 vs. Eagles: A New Beginning
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They cut to him after a short 3 yard conversion first series of the half and he was huffing in air. Maybe he’s sick?
Good lord, just ignore every mistake Mac made and focus on the ones by others?? The Pick 6, multiple noodle throws to the outside, bad sack on penultimate drive, should have had a de puck six late… 3 scores in 13 drives…that’s a good performance? The Eagles sold out to stop the run in this game, so Mac put up yards, but 3 scores out of 13?
In hindsight Parker being out and giving opportunities to Boutte ended up being huge. Parker probably makes one of his contested catches on one of those plays Boutte botched.
I think we’re on the same page then. Today was like watching an NFL offense again, which last year was
Like watching a middle school offense. I don’t know if Mac can make the jump but he’s got the chance to do
It. Today was a great first look.
I would have used their first rounder on aQB this year. I'd do it this year too. Sacrifice whatever they have to to get a few more lottery balls. You can't be a good team without a good QB.
I don't give a flying shit if a throw is weak, if it's put in the right spot and is catchable.
Nobody is giving him a pass on the pick 6, that's all on him.
That sack you're talking about on the penultimate drive. What fucking difference did it make on the drive? On the very next fucking play, he hit Bourne right in his hands for a first down. So again, how is it Mac's fault they didn't convert?
Mac put them in a position to score on the last drive, Boutte can't get his feet down.
Mac put them in a position to score earlier in the game, Boutte couldn't get his feet down.
Mac put them in a position to score, the refs called a phantom holding call.
Mac had them in scoring position, and Bill decided not to kick it.
Mac converted the two point play, and Trent Brown tackled his man, taking the points off the board.
You're focusing on shit that was irrelevant in the end to shit on Mac, but ignoring what the actual results were.
Do you know how many games the Pats won with Tom Brady because their defense played lights out? A fucking shit ton.
Do you know how many games the Pats won because of instead of dropping balls, guys like Edelman picked them up off the turf?
Football is a team game. Mac made more than enough plays to win this game today. That's the entire point, he was let down in huge spots once again by the guys that are also getting paid to do their jobs.
Judon tips his cap to the kids on D.
View: https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1701032120745967712
"It's a welcome to the NFL... we knew that they were really good players." - Matthew Judon on the rookies, specifically talking about Gonzalez, White, and Mapu.
View: https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1701032120745967712
"It's a welcome to the NFL... we knew that they were really good players." - Matthew Judon on the rookies, specifically talking about Gonzalez, White, and Mapu.
Nobody wants to walk you through why Mac doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. You can argue all you want why he should, but it's looking like sour grapes at this point. Was he better? Yes. Is he good enough? No.
There were only 3 QBs drafted in the first round this year so you’d do a 49ers type deal and trade 3-4 first rounders for who? Young? stroud? No thanks.
I'm not asking for the benefit of the doubt, I'm asking for facts. Folks seem woefully short on those. EEI callers is right.
FTR, it wasn't Brown but Calvin over at RT who took down the rusher on the 2-pt conversion attempt for the penalty.
If we start 0-4 I would want Zappe to start, because he would give us a much better chance of landing Caleb Williams in the draft.
Your last post said basically "you know how many games Brady won because X" and the fact of the matter is that he won, something Mac just can't do. He's the king of putting up nice stat sheets with very little substance.
Before Richardson shot up draft boards I was hoping for him. But I don't think a first round QB was really in the cards for them. Maybe a trade down, 2nd rounder, be or a mid rounder this year and accumulate enough ammo to take a real shot next year.
But rolling with Mac this year feels like embracing mediocrity.
...And Mac made enough plays to lose. He owns some responsibility too.
If you want to laud him for almost digging out of a big fucking hole you should probably recognize he helped dig a big fucking hole that was a little toolarge to get out of.
But so did a few other guys.
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Williams may be the real deal but a Lincoln Riley QB who’s dads playing Archie Manning and threatening to not go into the draft 8 months ahead of it, that’s a lot of red flags. Of them I’m not sold on Hurts arm. He’s a great runner and rugby yard getter.
I’m not for tanking in general unless it was a generational talent. Even then it’s a crapshoot.
Caleb Williams at this point looks generational, I'd say. But tanking this year is completely pointless in a league with the Arizona Cardinals.
So you made a point to say the Patriots did it wrong, what’s your plan? They weren’t getting Trevor Lawrence, they’re not getting Williams unless they go 2-15. They could have gave up 2-4 first rounders for Richardson but that’s insane. I’m a frustrated as anyone the Pats don’t have a generational Qb but I don’t see a path in the last 3 years to get there or even going forward unless they hit on a QB who’s not projected in the top 3.
It is incredible. If Boutte toe drags or the bs holding isnt called… Mac is a hero
Wtf did Hurts do? Pick 6 that went thru wr hands ? (High throw but catchable). Short field post Zeke fumble?
I was kidding. There is zero chance Belichick would ever tank. And the defense is too good to permit the Pats to lose enough games to make that possible.
Huh? Where did I say they did it wrong? Once again, I'm not looking to move on from Mac Jones, I was just being hyperbolic in making a point that I'd move on if, as some are saying here, this game was an example of the best he can offer (which I disagree with). Keep Mac Jones, if he's halfway decent pick up his fifth year option and then make a decision when you have to make a decision. I don't think he'll be bad enough that they are actively looking for a replacement next year. He's okay.
He also fumbled in the 4th quarter and was lucky to get bailed out by his defense.
Hurts was awful yesterday. Slow, lethargic, bailing out of clean pockets and then doing nothing on run, passing up/not seeing open targets, terrible display from him. Bill had him flabbergasted all game.
I was going to mention it but they were behind by 2 scores most of the game. Seemed like every running play was up the middle for no gain.
I think a lot of that was a by-product of Philly's game plan. Take away the run and make them throw.
Not to mention two rookies at guard, each making their first NFL start… one of whom had played pretty much exclusively at tackle through camp.
And a RT who didn’t play in the preseason.
Yeah, I agree that these are some of the reasons that the running game was fair to poor, making the running game one of the main reasons they lost.
OTOH, I think the O-line is one of the areas we'll see most improvement when/if players come back from injuries and the group including the coaching gels, and therefore the running game will get better, the backs are too good to be the issue.