UFC/MMA in 2016
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Its really the best outcome for Diaz financially if Conor agrees to fight him again
Knew it. Second round was too close and Diaz should've come out more aggressive in the fourth. Not a horrendous decision, but one you could see coming from a mile away.
Plenty of people at 155 would give Conor fits, but provided he can make weight that left hand is too much for 98% of 145lbers.
Plenty of people at 155 would give Conor fits, but provided he can make weight that left hand is too much for 98% of 145lbers.
It was close but the only time it was close to a stoppage was when Diaz was hammering McGregor in the 3rd. That was the only definite 10-8 round for me.
I thought my Nate by ref stoppage call was going to be gold right there
I don't know what you guys were watching. I had it 48-47 Mcgregor.
I had Connor winning rounds 1 2 and 4. 1 wasn't close. 2 was but Connor dominated the first 3.5 minutes before Diaz lit him up. 3 was easily Diaz and I thought McGregor was going out in the 4th but he impressed the shit out of me and won the 4th.
I had Connor winning rounds 1 2 and 4. 1 wasn't close. 2 was but Connor dominated the first 3.5 minutes before Diaz lit him up. 3 was easily Diaz and I thought McGregor was going out in the 4th but he impressed the shit out of me and won the 4th.
So you had it as close fight with the second round being the deciding factor? Seems like you watched the exact same fight as the rest of us.
no. Check the page before this. Some people are saying this was a dirty decision or that Diaz got robbed. I don't think that was the case and Mcgregor won. Close yes, but there were no shenanigans here.
I had it for McGregor. I feel like that last second take down made it seem a lot closer. Great game plan going in for Connor Diaz is simply a force McGregor endurance was pushed about as far as possible. If there is 30 seconds more in that fight or a 6th round Diaz wins it.
I had it Diaz 9-10, 10-9, 10-8, 9-10, 10-9
I can definitely see people viewing round 2 the reverse
I can definitely see people viewing round 2 the reverse
I don't think it's egregious. Nate won, but you knew going in Connor was going to have a heavy thumb on his scale. It's like fighting a champion. You need a blowout to win a decision and Nate gave away too much.
No sour grapes, but I say this puts to rest any talk of McGregor as an elite or an all-timer.
Yup. Fight brought in a ton of money and the prospect of a trilogy makes the financial interests pretty obvious here. Still, not a lot of problems with that decision. I'll probably rewatch the fight tomorrow to see if my initial impressions of the second round were correct.
I'll give McGregor tons of credit for that fourth round, though. I've always thought of him as a bit of a frontrunner, and the way the third round went, I expected him to fold. Showed a lot of heart.
It's usually you have to beat the champ. There was no belt in play but Nate won the last one, Colin didn't. A 50/50 fight should go to the previous winner. I felt it was pretty even. CM being the greatest is def dead. He caught that Rhonda Rousey/GWH fame.
I actually think 47-47 was the right call, giving McGregor round 2, and Diaz a 10-8 in round 3.
I was strongly rooting for Diaz, but I was very impressed that CM managed to win round 4.
I had it the same.
Even went back just now to re-watch that second round (now that i'm a little more sober) and my initial impression on how things went didn't change any. Connor's 3.5 minutes + dropping Diaz on his butt twice > Diaz's last minute flurry imo.
I was shocked that CM came out and caught a second wind. I think Diaz was too, although the flurry at the end of round 3 seemed to have taken a lot out of him at the start of 4.
From this fan's perspective, this is the best outcome. Great battle, close outcome, tied 1-1. I usually don't go for trilogies, but in this case BRINT IT ON.
I haven't watched it, but the reports are basically that I wrote the fight a couple of days ago, huh?
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I'm two rounds in with the sound off. There is no sane universe in which Diaz won the second.
Posted on Friday. Who in the fuck knew Dana White is an attorney who posts to the sub-forums of a Red Sox messageboard?
Fight metric http://www.fightmetric.com/fight-details/648396cc751c730d
Sig. Strikes: Diaz 166 of 343, McG 164 of 286
Total Strikes: Diaz 252 of 435, McG 197 of 322
Sig. strikes per round
Sig. Strikes: Diaz 166 of 343, McG 164 of 286
Total Strikes: Diaz 252 of 435, McG 197 of 322
Sig. strikes per round
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Yeah. I mean, they weren't thunderous knockdowns, but McGregor put him down twice in that round.
10-9, 10-9, 9-10, 10-9, 9-10. I think even Diaz knew it, too, talking about looking for a point for McGregor's running away.
Great fight. I think McGregor either hurt his foot or just gassed again at the bigger weight, because he went away from the leg kicks after the second. They did a lot of damage, though, and their job, as Diaz was checking a lot later and couldn't push the action quite as much as he probably needed to.
Finally got to watch the fight, and I agree with this. The last impression seems to sticks in people's minds when judging rounds. Conor simply dominated in the first 8.5 minutes of that fight. After the 3rd round there was a lot of clinching.
Diaz can take his fucking punches though. He also talks like he's taken his fair share over the years.
Rounds aren't judged minute-by-minute. That would be like scoring a football game by time of possession. It's common for a fighter to do more damage in :90 than his opponent did in 3:30. It's also common to do damage in the clinch, which is why the 2nd rnd significant strike count was 37-34 Diaz. He landed a lot in there. It was a close round.
Also, the 3rd round has to be 10-8. Judges have to differentiate between marginal rounds and dominant rounds, or else winners of marginal rounds are advantaged. I understand the hesitancy in boxing to give 10-8s because its harder to run up the score in 3 minutes, but in 5 minutes it's easier to get larger separation in strike totals and damage.
Also, the 3rd round has to be 10-8. Judges have to differentiate between marginal rounds and dominant rounds, or else winners of marginal rounds are advantaged. I understand the hesitancy in boxing to give 10-8s because its harder to run up the score in 3 minutes, but in 5 minutes it's easier to get larger separation in strike totals and damage.
He was knocked down twice early. He didn't do more damage in 90 seconds. He made up some volume.
The third was a good round for Diaz, but he didn't "overwhelmingly dominate," which is the criteria. It's not like McGregor had to come back from a near knock out or slip a couple of legitimately threatening submission attempts. He got hit a lot.
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McGregor's just not strong enough to knock him out, especially at that weight, and I think he knows it. Counter lefts to score instead of maim, and then the switch to elbows at certain points tell the tale.
The match highlighted the work that McGregor needs to do on the mat. Diaz is a beast on the ground, but it's tough to go into a match being unable or unwilling to follow up a knock down more aggressively that McGregor was willing to.
10-9 is "close", 10-8 is "overwhelmingly dominate", 10-7 is "totally dominate". It definitely wasn't close, so judges should pick from the other two.
This wasn't nearly a bad decision, there are many worse ones and they are normally due to judges lazily giving 10-9 when 10-8s are warranted.
Also, if you want to stick to criteria, knockdowns aren't in there. This ain't boxing. Some people use them as a proxy for damage, which is fine, but these particular knockdowns were a combination of good CM punches and Diaz being off balance. He wasn't dizzied, he got up right away, and there weren't cobwebs involved.
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I disagree. As far as damage Diaz didn't do much. He threw a lot of volume, but the power shots usually missed. I didn't see CM in trouble even in the third. He won 3-2 clearly to me and did more damage.
You're describing how you want 10-8s to be scored, not how they are scored in real life. It wasn't a 10-8 the way they're judged today, and even if they were judged how we want them to be, it still wasn't a 10-8.
It wasn't overwhelming domination, so the judges should pick from the other two.
Right. Which is why I didn't say that the second should have been 10-8 or 10-7.
He ain't the only one that gives 10-8s. And they are adjusting the criteria next year to force judges into more 10-8s and 10-7.
This could probably be another discussion because they are changing a lot of rules next year, and the changes are implemented state-by-state and won't be same everywhere for some time
http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/8/2/12363980/abc-body-approves-changes-to-mma-scoring-criteria-new-rules-in
http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/7/21/12245582/abc-to-vote-on-revised-mma-judging-criteria-including-change-in-10-8
ToucheIt wasn't overwhelming domination, so the judges should pick from the other two.
. However, close and total are fairly objective, overwhelming is more subjective.
It is another discussion and it will be interesting to see how it shakes out. I disagree on how I'd judge the round though. I think McGregor would have to be in more trouble for it to warrant a 10-8.
Here are the other rules changes
Grounded fighter change means it won't include one hand down
Extended fingers means hands must be closed fist or fingers pointed up if arms are outstretched toward opponent
Female clothing rule is a no-brainer, Valerie Letourneau a few months back took a bunch of big punches because her top shifted and she covered up her chest so as to not be exposed. The ref didn't realize what was going on. She went to Reebok and got them design more tops, the new rule will push Reebok further.
New Jersey dissented on the changes on grounded fighter and heel strike to kidneys
Grounded fighter change means it won't include one hand down
Extended fingers means hands must be closed fist or fingers pointed up if arms are outstretched toward opponent
Female clothing rule is a no-brainer, Valerie Letourneau a few months back took a bunch of big punches because her top shifted and she covered up her chest so as to not be exposed. The ref didn't realize what was going on. She went to Reebok and got them design more tops, the new rule will push Reebok further.
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Does this mean no slaps? That's bullshit if it's part of the interpretation. I can't tell you how sick and tired of the unified rules I am in general. I want head butts , knees and kicks on grounded opponents and cautions for stalling the fight on the ground (Pride used to do yellow cards). The 12 to 6 elbow being outlawed is so dumb. I'd also like no hand wraps and same night tournaments so I guess what I really need is a time machine.
Rewatching the fight I'm wondering if Nate flopped a couple times in the second to see if CM would pounce on him. His balance was square and he's shaken off much bigger punches than those. Might've been bait.