Did Felix have an encyclopedia of his career made at some point?Rovin Romine said:So, this is literally believing ones own press release.
Did Felix have an encyclopedia of his career made at some point?Rovin Romine said:So, this is literally believing ones own press release.
No, but it's not the main reason they're shopping him. Why you're digging when the answer is simple is what nobody gets.KillerBs said:Otis Foster suggested the possibility above, quoted in the post I was responding too.
Best buddy, close, whatever. I said the Sox MAY have concerns re how Lackey responds to a Lester deal and holding him to the 500K. Is this controversial?
That's what unpaid interns are for.Sox and Rocks said:I remember the ARod portfolio Boras created. Don't these agents have better things to do with their time? Has any team/GM signed a player because of a literal portfolio? (well, maybe Ruben Amaro)
Right now? Probably not. If it's obvious the Red Sox aren't signing him, it's time to set up the binder for the offseason.Sox and Rocks said:I remember the ARod portfolio Boras created. Don't these agents have better things to do with their time? Has any team/GM signed a player because of a literal portfolio? (well, maybe Ruben Amaro)
What was the Sox' evaluation of him? Did I miss something, other than him being a big part of last year's postseason run and being in the rotation again this year?EvilEmpire said:Sounds more reasonable than believing the Red Sox valuation of him this spring. He's certainly pitched that way this season.
Right. A baseball decision. Not this 'bad teammate' and 'clubhouse problem' hooeywibi said:
Lackey is being shopped because the 2015 version of the Red Sox are not going to be winning much of anything as it looks right now and he's worth much more to the team as trade bait than as a cheap pitcher.
Kramerica Industries is working on the portfolio as we speakCellar-Door said:That's what unpaid interns are for.
4 years for $70 million.Sox and Rocks said:What was the Sox' evaluation of him? Did I miss something, other than him being a big part of last year's postseason run and being in the rotation again this year?
wibi said:
Lackey is being shopped because the 2015 version of the Red Sox are not going to be winning much of anything as it looks right now and he's worth much more to the team as trade bait than as a cheap pitcher.
Not really. You think he's going on to have an even better next ten years than his previous ten, a la Steve Carlton?EvilEmpire said:Sounds more reasonable than believing the Red Sox valuation of him this spring. He's certainly pitched that way this season.
My mistake. I thought you were discussing Lackey, which is why I didn't understand the reference.EvilEmpire said:4 years for $70 million.
I have no idea. The market will probably give us an indication of what he is worth going forward in a few months though. I'm pretty confident it will be substantially more than what he was offered this past spring. You?drleather2001 said:Not really. You think he's going on to have an even better next ten years than his previous ten, a la Steve Carlton?
No the market will give you an indication of what he will be paid going forward. Worth we won't know until he's well into his contract.EvilEmpire said:I have no idea. The market will probably give us an indication of what he is worth going forward in a few months though. I'm pretty confident it will be substantially more than what he was offered this past spring. You?
EvilEmpire said:I have no idea. The market will probably give us an indication of what he is worth going forward in a few months though. I'm pretty confident it will be substantially more than what he was offered this past spring. You?
He's made something north of $100 million dollars over the course of his career. He doesn't have to do anything. The trade request suggests he'd like to keep playing (and most likely renegotiate his contract) with another team rather than retire, although whoever he ends up with will have to make it worth his while from a competitive and/or financial point of view.Sox and Rocks said:I have no doubt Lackey won't be "happy" pitching for 500K next year. I can't imagine any veteran who is still playing well would be. The question is what, exactly, he would do about it? He doesn't really have a choice but to honor the contract (it's been previously detailed that if he sat out the year he would still be under contract when he returned), and pitching poorly and/or with an obvious bad attitude (hello, Doubront) wouldn't be in his best interests moving forward.
I don't think Lackey retiring is realistic. Obviously, I don't know the guy from Adam, but from the outside, he seems too competitive and enjoys playing baseball too much for thatP'tucket said:He's made something north of $100 million dollars over the course of his career. He doesn't have to do anything. The trade request suggests he'd like to keep playing (and most likely renegotiate his contract) with another team rather than retire, although whoever he ends up with will have to make it worth his while from a competitive and/or financial point of view.
Valuation was the first word I used, but I think you understood what I meant.Cellar-Door said:No the market will give you an indication of what he will be paid going forward. Worth we won't know until he's well into his contract.
I think Lackey would be far more likely to honor his contract for a team that had a chance to win. They are trading Lackey because they're building a longer bridge, because if they only think. Lester is worth 4/$70, then it's hard to imagine they value any of the reasonably similar free agents high enough to win the bidding for them this winter. Moreover, because the new philosophy is to never sign someone over 30 to a long term contract, they'll not want to offer a fair market value extension to Lackey that supersedes the gimmick option in 2015 and then they'll get outbid for Lackey in 2016. So, by backward induction, trade him now to a team that doesn't have their head up their ass.sackamano said:No, it's not controversial.
But it is hard for me to believe that Lackey would be happy honoring his contract just because Lester is still in Boston.
In other words ... one has nothing to do with the other.
I think you're probably right. But the prospect of making the league minimum for a 75 win team surely would be a test of that hypothesis.Sox and Rocks said:I don't think Lackey retiring is realistic. Obviously, I don't know the guy from Adam, but from the outside, he seems too competitive and enjoys playing baseball too much for that
If he was confused, so was I. "Cost" and "worth" are completely different concepts. What he pulls in during the off-season will be what he costs. What he proves to be worth is completely different.EvilEmpire said:Valuation was the first word I used, but I think you understood what I meant.
Plympton91 said:I think Lackey would be far more likely to honor his contract for a team that had a chance to win. They are trading Lackey because they're building a longer bridge, because if they only think. Lester is worth 4/$70, then it's hard to imagine they value any of the reasonably similar free agents high enough to win the bidding for them this winter. Moreover, because the new philosophy is to never sign someone over 30 to a long term contract, they'll not want to offer a fair market value extension to Lackey that supersedes the gimmick option in 2015 and then they'll get outbid for Lackey in 2016. So, by backward induction, trade him now to a team that doesn't have their head up their ass.
It's possible, likely even, the Sox won't be a 75 win team next year. There is no reason they should be. But even if they aren't a legit contender, I am sure the Sox would be happy to trade Lackey at this time next year, or sooner, and given the low value of his contract, there would be multiple teams lining up to acquire him.P'tucket said:I think you're probably right. But the prospect of making the league minimum for a 75 win team surely would be a test of that hypothesis.
EvilEmpire said:I have no idea. The market will probably give us an indication of what he is worth going forward in a few months though. I'm pretty confident it will be substantially more than what he was offered this past spring. You?
There's a huge difference between a player subject to the reserve clause holding out, and a player holding out during a contract he signed as a free agent. I think Lackey's options are to retire, or to suck it up and play.Sox and Rocks said:I don't think Lackey retiring is realistic. Obviously, I don't know the guy from Adam, but from the outside, he seems too competitive and enjoys playing baseball too much for that
This made me turn the channel, and now Harold Reynolds' voice has unexpectedly entered my living room.Ferm Sheller said:Ken Rosenthal coming on MLB Network "in a minute"
Please accept my sincerest apologies. I think they're waiting for the KC-Minn game to get over before going to Rosenthal.Sox and Rocks said:This made me turn the channel, and now Harold Reynolds' voice has unexpectedly entered my living room.
Damn you!
https://twitter.com/NickHamelinMLB/status/494681423471976450"]4mmabrowndog said:
wibi said:
Wow. I dont know if I'm more shocked that you spent the time to write this or that you actually believe this.
We have ZERO clue what the Sox actually offered Lester so sticking at the 4/70 mark is cherry picking at its finest. We have ZERO clue that the Sox new policy is to never sign anyone over 30 to a long term contract. We do know that the Sox hedged their bets with Lackey by adding on the 2015 option for the contract. This is the contract that Lackey agreed to and signed under free will. It wasnt a gimmick option at the time and it isnt one now.
It is a good point; still, though, Lackey will have value in the offseason and at next year's deadline. There is no reason to force a trade now if the value isn't therePlympton91 said:That's a great point about Lackey gaining 10/5 status Mauf, might suggest why they are at least reportedly being so aggressive now.
KillerBs said:
Zero clue is too strong, I think. As has been well-documented here, all the reports coalesce around there being only one offer at 4/70, but lots of discussions between the parties so each has a sense of the ballpark position of the other.
And there were these recent telling reports from Bradford:
"If the Sox were to make an offer in line with what the market has produced in terms of recent contracts for pitchers of Lester’s status, the source added, such an offer would permit an efficient resolution as to whether the basis for an in-season extension existed, thus avoiding concerns about potential distractions for either the pitcher or his teammates. ...
Per one source, the chances of the Red Sox re-engaging in talks with Lester’s representatives prior to the deadline aren’t likely. With that in mind, and the Sox still not approaching Lester with an offer in line with the current market value, the chances of the lefty being dealt seem to be increasing."
knucklecup said:Rosenthal on MLB Network just now: "going to get traded, just a matter of where and when" in reference to Lester.
dcmissle said:Rosenthal providing Brian Windhorst level value to the network