Dismiss Notice
Guest, I have a big favor to ask you. We've been working very hard to establish ourselves on social media. If you like/follow our pages it would be a HUGE help to us. SoSH on Facebook and Inside the Pylon Thanks! Nip

Tiger Woods arrested for DUI

Discussion in 'General Sports' started by RedOctober3829, May 29, 2017.

  1. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    33,957
  2. ifmanis5

    ifmanis5 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    29,589
  3. Comfortably Lomb

    Comfortably Lomb Koko the Monkey SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,194
    Tiger, hire a driver and have them sign an NDA you cheap idiot.
     
  4. Red(s)HawksFan

    Red(s)HawksFan Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,790
    Never ceases to amaze me how people with all the money and resources in the world don't make it a point to hire a driver anytime they're going to be out and drinking.
     
  5. BernieRicoBoomer

    BernieRicoBoomer Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    467
    Yup, he should've used the driver there.
     
  6. ifmanis5

    ifmanis5 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    29,589
  7. Saints Rest

    Saints Rest Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    6,528
    Don't drink and drive
    Don't even drink and putt
     
  8. sgfeer

    sgfeer lurker

    Messages:
    15
    Still having problems with his driving

    And cue the coming rehab for pain killers and alcohol

    Hopefully there was a waffle house waitress in the passenger seat
     
  9. FL4WL3SS

    FL4WL3SS Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    10,571
    I thought he didn't drink.

    Wouldn't be surprised if this was pain killers. He was addicted to Ambien during his sexcapades, maybe he has that addictive personality.
     
  10. BigSoxFan

    BigSoxFan Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    27,966
    Dude morphed into Russell Wilson. Clearly hasn't gotten over his demons. Sad.
     
  11. axx

    axx lurker

    Messages:
    5,861
    That mugshot... his lawyer is going to have a hell of a time getting him off.
     
  12. CoffeeNerdness

    CoffeeNerdness Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,550
    He was addicted to Ambien? Holy crap. Sounds like a great way to lose years of your life to a memory loss.
     
  13. Investor 11

    Investor 11 Plobbably the greatest videographer ever Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,504
    It could just be the way the statutes are written but that Booking Blotter info seems to say unlawful blood alcohol.
     
  14. SumnerH

    SumnerH Malt Liquor Picker Dope

    Messages:
    25,124
    Especially in the post-Uber/Lyft era, it's insane.

    Well played.
     
  15. moondog80

    moondog80 heart is two sizes two small SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,686
    I feel bad for Tiger. His "scandal" was not even close to a crime and of no concern to anyone other he and his family, and he was quite likely the victim of serious domestic violence that nobody seemed to care about, yet his "comeback" was treated like Kobe Bryant post-rape trial. I hope he gets it together.
     
  16. terrynever

    terrynever Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    13,523
  17. SumnerH

    SumnerH Malt Liquor Picker Dope

    Messages:
    25,124
    He ran into a tree, hopped a median, smashed up a fire hydrant, and demolished a row of bushes, doing $3200 in damage.

    Anyone else is probably doing time for DUI after that, which might have stopped him from driving drunk again this time.
     
  18. TheoShmeo

    TheoShmeo Skrub's sympathy case Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    12,206
    Yep, and while his philandering was not a crime, he did treat the mother of his children like shit and probably embarrassed her greatly. Tiger is not on the list of the many people I feel badly for.
     
  19. Van Everyman

    Van Everyman Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    16,060
    Or know about. What "serious domestic violence" was Tiger probably the victim of?
     
  20. Comfortably Lomb

    Comfortably Lomb Koko the Monkey SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,194
    His mother hitting him over the head with a long iron. Maybe.
     
  21. moondog80

    moondog80 heart is two sizes two small SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,686
    I was referring to his his previous scandal. No excuse for the DUI.
     
  22. SumnerH

    SumnerH Malt Liquor Picker Dope

    Messages:
    25,124
    So was I. I was saying if he wasn't a celebrity he'd have gotten a DUI for the previous scandal.
     
  23. moondog80

    moondog80 heart is two sizes two small SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,686
    He was also quite possibly fleeing from someone battering him with a 9 iron.
     
  24. Average Reds

    Average Reds Dope Staff Member Dope V&N Mod SoSH Member

    Messages:
    22,863
    That is 100% speculation that has been denied by all involved.

    Is it possible you are right? Perhaps. But it might be good to actually have evidence rather than just rumors.
     
  25. moondog80

    moondog80 heart is two sizes two small SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,686
    It may not be proven fact but it's more than just speculation. There were reports of violence, and there is some strong circumstantial evidence of it. He had scratches on his face and his car window was shattered with a golf club.

    It's well know that domestic violence is often denied by both parties. TMZ reported that his wife was not allowed in the ambulance because it was believed to be a domestic situation. At the very least, there was a a lot of smoke there.

    "I used a golf club to bash out the rear window to free my husband" doesn't sound suspicious? For a minor car accident where none of the doors sustained any damage and Woods never lost consciousness?


    http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/12/tiger-woods-ambulance-domestic-violence-elin-nordegren-crash/

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...-crash-scratched-face-report-article-1.413978
     
    #25 moondog80, May 29, 2017
    Last edited: May 29, 2017
  26. The Needler

    The Needler lurker

    Messages:
    1,179
    Even if you think there was a cover up, and the police lied about there being no alcohol involved, and there being no probable cause to obtain testing for drugs...a first-time misdemeanor DUI in Florida for someone with no prior record would not probably lead to jail time for a non-celebrity. Most of the time these get pleaded down to reckless driving, and even with a guilty plea on a DUI with property damage, judges don't typically hand out jail time.
     
  27. Ralphwiggum

    Ralphwiggum Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,544
    Full disclosure: I've admitted in another thread to have made many mistakes in my first marriage, so this resonates with me. Marriage is complicated and it's easy to judge when you are on the outside looking in. I made mistakes, and I'm sure at this point in his life Tiger wishes he could take some of his back just like I wish I could. Tiger's life is/was anything but ordinary and the circumstances that came to light surrounding his indiscretions were more extreme, and more public, than most typical marriages. But all of that is between him and Elin, his kids and his family, or at least it should be.

    At any rate, I'm comfortable admitting that the professional athletes I root for are fallible human beings, and disliking a guy because of infidelities is bit like drawing a hard line in the sand on steroids. Chances are you have rooted, or are rooting, for a guy on your favorite team who is cheating on his spouse left and right, the difference being none of them are near as famous as Tiger Woods so other than in exceptional circumstances nobody cares.

    There are lots of good sports reasons to dislike Tiger Woods without getting into the ugliness surrounding his marriage nad personally life. I do feel bad for the guy, though. He's obviously battling demons, like a lot of us have. I hope for the sake of his kids he can find happiness in something and pull out of it.

    I'm obviously not defending the DUI, which shows bad judgment just like Michael Floyd did right before the awesome crack-back block that freed up Edelman for the TD in the Dolphins game.
     
    #27 Ralphwiggum, May 29, 2017
    Last edited: May 29, 2017
  28. canderson

    canderson Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    21,180
    Can't link but Woods said he wasn't drinking, it was prescription medication side effects.
     
  29. Ed Hillel

    Ed Hillel Wants to be startin somethin SoSH Member

    Messages:
    18,762
    This has Ambien written all over it:
    [​IMG]
     
  30. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    16,245
    Don't drowse and drive, Tiger.
     
  31. BigMike

    BigMike Dope Dope

    Messages:
    21,021
    There you go Tiger, it's someone else's fault because you had a bad reaction to prescription drugs.

    Completely believable, everyone has to take their prescription at 3AM before they drive home for the night
     
    #31 BigMike, May 29, 2017
    Last edited: May 29, 2017
  32. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

    Messages:
    16,050
    When did he blame someone else?

    I'm not giving him a pass, but a guy coming off back surgery who is a known insomniac with an Ambien...I'm gonna say crutch, I don't know if it's a true addiction...I don't find it unbelievable that he had a bad interaction with a pain killer.

    Again, I'm not defending him, but we also don't know the details yet. (Do we? I'll retract if I've missed an update). If he got a different pain med than he's used to and it interacted in a way he isn't used to, it again doesn't excuse him, but I can see it being somewhat understandable. Still not a smart move and I'm not going to waste time speculating on many possible scenarios, but I don't see him blaming anyone else. I'm sure the details will come out eventually either way, but as stupid a decision as it was, could it not have been as simple as 'it usually takes my ambien sixty minutes to kick in, I want to go to bed when I get home so I'll take it now, I've been taking it with Vicodin for years, but wow that kicked in hard because my back was hurting and they upped me to a stronger dose/more powerful opioid this time'.

    Again, not excusing him but I'm also not ready to call him a liar.
     
    #32 Papelbon's Poutine, May 30, 2017
    Last edited: May 30, 2017
  33. Koufax

    Koufax Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,100
    His sleep / wake cycle might not be the same as ours. He doesn't have to be at the office at 9AM.
     
  34. SumnerH

    SumnerH Malt Liquor Picker Dope

    Messages:
    25,124
    That's true. You still don't drive on Ambien or percoset or codeine or whatever, that's pretty obvious.
     
  35. SumnerH

    SumnerH Malt Liquor Picker Dope

    Messages:
    25,124
    I don't think there was a cover up per se, just a "hey, it's Tiger, we're not going to test him as much". You may be right about the average penalty, but it's still at the very least close to a crime.

    Nobody really cared when it was just his wife saying he cheated a couple days earlier, it was the Thanksgiving day car crash that set off the public backlash. And that's entirely appropriate, imo.
     
  36. maufman

    maufman Anderson Cooper x Mr. Rogers Staff Member Dope Gold Supporter

    Messages:
    22,955
    I'm somewhere between you and BigMike. On one hand, I believe a public figure like TW is entitled to have public judgments of his behavior be based on the correct facts, so I have no problem with him correcting the record. (I assume it's true that he wasn't drinking; if it's not, that will likely come out.) On the other hand, I don't buy his b.s. excuse about an unexpected reaction. Even in the most charitable reading of the facts, he took a new drug and drove without knowing how it would affect him; in my mind, that's no less blameworthy than drinking and driving.
     
    #36 maufman, May 30, 2017
    Last edited: May 30, 2017
  37. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

    Messages:
    16,050
    I don't think we're all that far apart. I just read his statement as an explanation as opposed to an excuse. That may be a distinction without a difference, but reads as pretty contrite to me and while I (again) am not absolving him of blame, I don't think it's necessarily b.s. but I'm sure we will find that out. I certainly don't see him deflecting as Big Mike asserted, which was my main point.

    As Sumner noted, driving on pain killers ain't exactly smart. Or sleeping pills. And he deserves what he gets. But since we don't know a lot of the details yet, I think it's premature to start brandishing pitchforks. If he was hanging out at Notah Begay's house a few blocks away, popped his pills and had a tail light out, I see that a little different than if he was at a strip club doing Patron shots all night before heading home and was driving recklessly.

    I fully understand neither are acceptable, I just think not all DUIs are created equal. Especially when we don't know any details.
     
  38. glasspusher

    glasspusher Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,973
    People do stupid things in the middle of the night, and famous folks are no different. Film at 11.
     
  39. TheoShmeo

    TheoShmeo Skrub's sympathy case Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    12,206
    Great post.

    Judging athletes is weird science. We routinely root for guys we don't know and who we would dislike intensely if we did know. Dave Meggett is the example I often fall back on. When the Pars got him, we were told he was a character guy. And that seemed true until we found out that he raped people.

    In any event, I don't judge Tiger. I have not walked in his shoes. I don't have his challenges.

    But for me there's a difference between judging and empathy. I have trouble getting to the latter when I think about his serial philandering and what he did to his wife and children as a result. And the greater context is that there are so many easier victims out there to relate to. It's just easier for me to empathize with victims of the Manchester bombing or less sensationally, people in my own life who are going through struggles. It's not binary of course and I could also theoretically empathize with Tiger. I just have some trouble going there given his actions and the other more relatable examples I noted. That said, we all make mistakes and I get how others could do so.

    PS: I realize that empathy and feeling bad don't have to travel together fully and there is a gap between them. For me, they are so intertwined that I wrote above as if they are the same. But I get it, they don't have to line up fully.
     
    #39 TheoShmeo, May 30, 2017
    Last edited: May 30, 2017
  40. Van Everyman

    Van Everyman Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    16,060
    So slightly different question:

    What the fuck happened to this guy? He was on top of the world until all this spilled out a decade ago. Was his public persona that important to his success?
     
  41. GreyisGone

    GreyisGone Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,357
    He's had a bunch of back surgeries which are far more likely the cause.
     
  42. GreyisGone

    GreyisGone Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,357
    He's had a bunch of back surgeries which are far more likely the cause.
     
  43. Infield Infidel

    Infield Infidel teaching korea american SoSH Member

    Messages:
    11,463
    Did he also blow his knee training with a Navy Seal before the back surgeries?
     
  44. Red(s)HawksFan

    Red(s)HawksFan Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,790
    I think it's a bit of a false narrative to say his career tanked because of his scandals. It's much more due to injuries.

    He won his last major limping around on a blown knee (US Open 2008). Shortly after he recovered from that the shit with his wife broke, and in the aftermath of that he dealt with more leg injuries. While he hasn't had any Major success, in 2012-2013 he got himself back to #1 in the world, winning 8 tournaments in that time. Then the back injuries and surgeries started piling up and he hasn't been the same.

    He had back surgery barely a month ago (April 20), so the story that it was medication and not alcohol that caused his impairment yesterday makes sense to me. Still doesn't excuse driving at all. No reason he shouldn't have a hired driver at his beck and call 24 hours a day.
     
  45. cshea

    cshea Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    19,149
    He was found asleep at the wheel. Very drousy and confused, unable to complete some of the roadside tests. Blew two .000 breathalyzers, so he wasn't lying about that. Wonder if he was sleep driving or something. I guess he told the officers he was coming back from golfing in LA, then changed his story and didn't know where he was going/coming from.

     
  46. Comfortably Lomb

    Comfortably Lomb Koko the Monkey SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,194
    Numerous injuries. Knee, back (multiple places), and some other stuff IIRC. He still won a few times around 2012/3 when he was moderately healthy.

    He was always one of those guys who practiced a ton to maintain his ability and with the injuries, even when playing, he was on a more limited practice/training regimen.

    Then some questionable swing change decisions (he's on this third or fourth different swing for his career) and some degree of the tour not being afraid of him as much....

    I'd say primarily injuries but there's a lot there. If he ever can manage a few healthy years I don't see why he couldn't be a top player again still but that's an enormous "if" surrounding his health.
     
  47. Smiling Joe Hesketh

    Smiling Joe Hesketh All Hail King Boron Dope

    Messages:
    30,023
    I think he's done as an effective pro golfer. His body's just completely wrecked. How many surgeries has he had on his back by now, four or five? And the knee.
     
  48. cshea

    cshea Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    19,149
    I've always been a huge Tiger fan and I think his golf career is toast. I'd love to see him out there on a Sunday in the mix with Rory, DJ, Spieth, Day, etc. but I just can't see it happening anymore. His back is too messed up. He bad back surgery in 2015, took a year and a half off for recovery and rehab, and then his return lasted a grand total of 7 cometitive rounds (over 3 months) this year before having to go under the knife again. His body just can't hold up. I don't think the swing changes are the issue. He was last healthy in 2013 and won 4 times I think. He can do whatever the fuck he wants to do with his swing and I believe he has the talent still there to be successful. He has to be able to actually swing a club though and he hasn't been able to do that for several years now.
     
  49. Comfortably Lomb

    Comfortably Lomb Koko the Monkey SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,194
    5 wins in only 16 events in 2013, along with 8 top 10s. I remember him not even looking like he had his best game out there that year, including lots of WTF? type mistakes, and he still was an elite player. Oh well.
     
  50. PaulinMyrBch

    PaulinMyrBch Don't touch his dog food Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    8,059
    Dude clearly holds himself to a different standard. While most roadside sobriety tests hinge on saying the alphabet backwards, he insists that he must sing the national anthem backwards. With goals like this, he's a shoo in for a few more majors once his back lets him do that twisty thing he needs to do to crank out 300+ yd drives.

    On a serious note. I'm fucked up for 2-3 weeks when we move the clocks for DST. So I'm not going to jump on the "crush Tiger" bandwagon when I have no idea what real time zone changes and med assisted travel feels like. He didn't hurt anyone, including himself, and this could be far worst than it is had he dozed off going 80mph. So I think he handled it about as good as you could...sincere apology, thanking LE. I'm guessing this story goes away fairly quietly as a Tiger Woods story goes.
     

Share This Page