Tiger Woods arrested for DUI
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I saw one yesterday that was just cropped above his eyes and it looked cleaner without doctoring up the hair. I don't understand why a news outlet does this. So easy to compare to the original. OJ's mug shot on Time cover taught them nothing??
I'm pretty much with you on this, excepting the most charitable reading of the facts would be he'd taken the drugs before, just never together and the combo caught him unawares.
While I think it could go either way here - stupid prescription use/abuse or legitimate involuntary impairment, it seems he's had a good deal of experience with heavy meds and possible side effects.
Do they still do they alphabet backwards thing? I couldn't do that sober. I'm trying right now and other than a couple groupings it's a mess.
I already believed that was designed to get you to admit you couldn't do that sober. Or make an attempt so bad you look drunk.
If ever asked I would just say that's impossible as I've only ever learned forwards and anyone who can do it is a Mensa or clearly practicing to beat a DUI.
I actually learned it to the regular tune of the ABC song. Thankfully I have never had to use it for a DUI
A lot of idle time sitting around in the dorm drinking led to learning how to do the alphabet backwards. It was 30 years ago and I have thankfully never had the opportunity to put it to use although I can still do it.
Edit: I also learned it using the @tims4wins method.
I have no idea. I have to stop, go through a grouping forward and then spit them out backwards. Anyone who can do it without breaks has a photographic memory and is literally looking at it in their mind and reading it backwards, or they've practiced.
No, that's a myth. at least in the 19 years that I've been in LE. This video explains it well.
All field exercises are somewhat bogus, but the alphabet test has never been endorsed by NHTSA. As a diagnostic it's a joke, and I very much doubt it would be admissible in court.
The reason why DUI field exercises exist is the following: 1) in most states you are presumptively impaired if your BAC is over a certain level, and the only way to determine that is a breath test or blood test. 2) in most states you can be charged with DUI based on impairment, regardless of chemical testing.
Therefore the sole purpose of DUI field exercises (or "tests" as they are erroneously referred to) is to try to set up a psuedo-science for use in court when the breath test is problematic or non existent.
They all involve trying to "trick" you into deviating from arbitrary standards. One can be as sober as the proverbial judge and still not follow the minutiae of the test - especially if you're tired or nervous or there's a language barrier. At best, based on NHTSA's own numbers they're about 60% accurate as diagnostics for alcohol impairment. Which is better than issuing DUI arrests based on a coin toss, but not by much.
Lipstick on a pig. Holy crap did Tiger not age well or what. He looks 50+ years old in that photo.
Damage to vehicle making its way around the internet now. Here's the police report
Tire's on drivers side flat, rim, and bumper damage. Sounds like he must have hit or run over a curb or something. But if he blew out his tires, chances are he wasn't moving slow.
Tire's on drivers side flat, rim, and bumper damage. Sounds like he must have hit or run over a curb or something. But if he blew out his tires, chances are he wasn't moving slow.
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You can blow out a tire if you hit a curb while turning. I know because it happened to me parallel parking over a decade ago. But rim damage and bumper damage is a different story.
This entire story is sad. Tiger's alone, injured and hammered, crashing his car like a idiotic child, and falling asleep at the wheel. The fact that it's prescriptions doesn't change the fact that he's a moron for getting behind the wheel in such a state. Seems like a cry for help of some regard.
It's possible also that Tiger took the medications, went to bed, and esp. with Ambien went into a sleepwalking or in this case, potentially a sleepdriving state. It's a documented phenomenon.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2762721/
Ambien's a fascinating and kind of crazy drug.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2762721/
Ambien's a fascinating and kind of crazy drug.
I was put on an anxiety drug at one time that could cause sleep walking. First issue was I woke up in the middle of the night, showered and got ready for work then went back to bed. Second time I got up on a Saturday (late) got ready (my wife let it play out because it scared her) fast and made it a few miles down the road when my conscience mind figured out 'where is the fucking traffic? ' this shit happens.
No one is telling you that breaks aren't allowed. Just do it slowly and you'll be fine.
Just coming here to see if anyone posted this. Ambien and sleep driving has been documented. For example: http://www.nhcriminaldefense.com/auto_accident_injury.html
For golf fans, Jack was different, but if you don't think Arnie was doing/did this kinda stuff and more you are absolutely deluding yourself.
He did? Literally nothing comes up on Google.
Based on conversations with connected locals the one time I took in Augusta -- they both did, at least during Masters week.
But that was then and this is now, and then was about the time that JFK got a free pass from the press.
I begrudge none of them, but when you take current endorsement deals, you take everything that comes with them, including living in a fish bowl.
Attorney Kevin Hayslett needs some new hand motions. And a better fitting suit.
In fairness, we have no idea how much life insurance Detts has.
That's pretty bad. I wonder if the bare feet lend at all towards the sleep driving theory. Not in a legal sense, obviously, but just towards an explanation at what he was doing out at 2 am, with no booze in his system and being that messed up.
He took them off while the officers were there.
From the the police report PaulinMyrBch linked to,
"I asked Woods if he wished to tie his shoes and he originally stated no that he could not get down that far. I asked Woods to walk to the front of my patrol car to which he complied. Woods then put his right foot on the front grill of my patrol vehicle in an attempt to retie his shoe. Woods then placed his right foot down and lifted his left foot on the grill of the patrol vehicle. At this point Woods was swaying and nearly lost his balance so I asked Woods if he wished to take off of his shoes. Woods removed his shoes and left them under the front end of my patrol vehicle."
I'm curious what the piss test will show.
On the one hand if he was taking too large of doses and abusing his pain meds, while I understand addiction is a disease, he still deserves any negativity that comes his way.
On the other, if his levels were normal and it was a legit bad interaction or an Ambien Zombie episode, I think that's a different story. It doesn't change the danger he put himself and more importantly others in, but I think that changes the equation a bit. And the stories I've read of Ambien Zombie episodes sound remarkably familiar to what we see on the dashboard cam.
My hesitation on speculating which one it was comes in part from the immediate comments from people like Nicklaus, Norman, Day etc that they feel sad for him and hope he finds help. Was this a closely guarded secret on tour, that he was a pill popper? Or where they just firing off at the immediate news and speculation? Were some of his withdrawals and trouble getting back related to this instead of/in addition to his back troubles? Or is it all coincidental? We do know he likes his Ambien and we know it can cause this kind of thing on its own, let alone if he was also on pain meds.
I know he doesn't garner a lot of sympathy from the general public and even before the mess in '09 he was divisive already. But it felt like he was starting to gain some good will - he seems to be as well liked on Tour as any point in his career, he seems to have sorted things out with Elin and is seemingly being a good father to his kids despite his transgressions.
Like him or not - and I fully admit that I love him as a player, if not as a human being - it seems like the most embarrassing way possible to have it all derailed. If it was legit his fault he certainly deserves it. But if it was actually not his fault, it seems unfortunate to me because he will never get past it. Press conferences admitting he's addicted to pain killers will fall on deaf ears (similar to the sex addict ones) and any acquittal, even if legit, will be questioned by the haters and assumed to be favoritism to a celebrity.
On the one hand if he was taking too large of doses and abusing his pain meds, while I understand addiction is a disease, he still deserves any negativity that comes his way.
On the other, if his levels were normal and it was a legit bad interaction or an Ambien Zombie episode, I think that's a different story. It doesn't change the danger he put himself and more importantly others in, but I think that changes the equation a bit. And the stories I've read of Ambien Zombie episodes sound remarkably familiar to what we see on the dashboard cam.
My hesitation on speculating which one it was comes in part from the immediate comments from people like Nicklaus, Norman, Day etc that they feel sad for him and hope he finds help. Was this a closely guarded secret on tour, that he was a pill popper? Or where they just firing off at the immediate news and speculation? Were some of his withdrawals and trouble getting back related to this instead of/in addition to his back troubles? Or is it all coincidental? We do know he likes his Ambien and we know it can cause this kind of thing on its own, let alone if he was also on pain meds.
I know he doesn't garner a lot of sympathy from the general public and even before the mess in '09 he was divisive already. But it felt like he was starting to gain some good will - he seems to be as well liked on Tour as any point in his career, he seems to have sorted things out with Elin and is seemingly being a good father to his kids despite his transgressions.
Like him or not - and I fully admit that I love him as a player, if not as a human being - it seems like the most embarrassing way possible to have it all derailed. If it was legit his fault he certainly deserves it. But if it was actually not his fault, it seems unfortunate to me because he will never get past it. Press conferences admitting he's addicted to pain killers will fall on deaf ears (similar to the sex addict ones) and any acquittal, even if legit, will be questioned by the haters and assumed to be favoritism to a celebrity.
Isn't substance use/abuse still a closely guarded tour secret? Alcohol, cocaine, you name it...
I vaguely recall a post-round interview got cut short a few years ago when one of tour broadcast regulars prodded a player coming back from a DUI or at least something drinking related... anyway, the player, somewhat annoyed that it was brought up, mentioned cocaine use by fellow players. There was a very quick cut back to the action on the course...
Anyway, if Tiger was and is a pill popper he's only one of many pro golfers with issues.
I vaguely recall a post-round interview got cut short a few years ago when one of tour broadcast regulars prodded a player coming back from a DUI or at least something drinking related... anyway, the player, somewhat annoyed that it was brought up, mentioned cocaine use by fellow players. There was a very quick cut back to the action on the course...
Anyway, if Tiger was and is a pill popper he's only one of many pro golfers with issues.
It was Matt Every who got popped for weed and said there's a lot more skeletons on tour than just that and it caused a big uproar.
Grueling schedule + high-pressure + lots of $$$ = drug abuse.
Woods a) may be the most driven person, not only on tour, but on earth; b ) put an enormous amount of stress on his body over the years due to the power of his swing. That's a recipe for prescription drug problems. See Nelson, Prince R.
Having said that, I'm not rushing to judgment. Ambien, etc can have these terrible reactions even when used non-abusively as pointed out . Just spitballing but the 0.0 BAC is meaningful- someone in a downward spiral would have chased the pills with some Cuervo.
Woods a) may be the most driven person, not only on tour, but on earth; b ) put an enormous amount of stress on his body over the years due to the power of his swing. That's a recipe for prescription drug problems. See Nelson, Prince R.
Having said that, I'm not rushing to judgment. Ambien, etc can have these terrible reactions even when used non-abusively as pointed out . Just spitballing but the 0.0 BAC is meaningful- someone in a downward spiral would have chased the pills with some Cuervo.
Updated report includes him stating he was on Xanax in addition to previously mentioned meds.
He was on Xanax in addition to the 4 meds that were originally in the report. I'm not up on med interactions, but apparently the Xanax/Vicodin combo looks like the bad mix here.
He was on Xanax in addition to the 4 meds that were originally in the report. I'm not up on med interactions, but apparently the Xanax/Vicodin combo looks like the bad mix here.
I believe Xanax (benzos) potentiates the effects of opiates.
Tiger's got major issues if he's taking this type of cocktail. Like, will he even be around in a year or two type problems. Hope he squares away his life soon. Lucky he didn't kill anyone driving around like that.
Tiger's got major issues if he's taking this type of cocktail. Like, will he even be around in a year or two type problems. Hope he squares away his life soon. Lucky he didn't kill anyone driving around like that.
Yes, a doctor could hypothetically prescribe both, with the obvious caveat of telling him not to mix them at the same time. Or it could have been an ortho and a psychiatrist or a PCP prescribing each separately. But he can legally get them. I can attest, I've had Alprazolam (generic Xanax) and Vicodin prescriptions written at a single doctors visit (granted in most likely lower dosage than he had) with distinct and explicit directions of how they interact and how they should be taken if both were needed at the same time. And that was at an urgent care. I'm guessing Tiger has better doctors than I do.
My assumption - and it's purely speculative - is that he likely was on xanax for help sleeping (we know he had an Ambien fix before, benzos are often used as another method is insomnia is expected to be caused by anxiety as opposed to other factors) and pain pills for his back and or knee and likely just mixed up his dosage or schedule and they interacted to result in what we got. Or he was having trouble sleeping and took an extra one of the two and he's probably on large dosages of both, since you develop tolerance to both, so it went haywire.
My assumption - and it's purely speculative - is that he likely was on xanax for help sleeping (we know he had an Ambien fix before, benzos are often used as another method is insomnia is expected to be caused by anxiety as opposed to other factors) and pain pills for his back and or knee and likely just mixed up his dosage or schedule and they interacted to result in what we got. Or he was having trouble sleeping and took an extra one of the two and he's probably on large dosages of both, since you develop tolerance to both, so it went haywire.
Thanks man. I don't touch the opiates and don't even get them filled when they're prescribed. Want nothing to do with them. The xanax is good to have around because I do run into bouts of anxiety caused sleep issues, but it's low dosage (.5mg) and I did not like Ambien when I tried it. All is good though.
It's being reported that he was on Xanax, Vicodin PLUS Dilauded, Ambien and THC. That's not a mixup, that's a full blown junky.
He's got issues and needs help, I hope he gets it, but his career is over.