Then we simply disagree. BB as GM is a major issue for this organization. It's going to take more losses for you to see this, that's fine. Most of your post is just you defensively waving your arms.
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Brady's arrival also coincided with the arrivals of Vrabel, Seymour, Light, and others. They also had a healthy defense that season. Later came Wilfork, Gronk, Edelman, Butler, Revis, Dillon, Moss, Welker, Hightower, et al.
The reality is that there were a lot of other players, and a coach/GM, that contributed to those winning years. Yes, the players made the most impact, Brady the biggest of all. But this constant arguing in this thread and others of a false dilemma about it being "Brady or Belichick" is totally pointless. Both mattered a whole lot.
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No disagreement with you on the need to move on. I’ve been beating the same drum this season. We just part ways when your say “It’s Brady”
Haven’t we done this dance before? Took over a horrible Browns team. Took a couple seasons to get rolling (which was a far more common trajectory in the pre-free agency days) then made the playoffs. Team announced a move and things fell apart.
Past 2 years have been bad, you’ll get no argument from me.
If they don't get another win for the rest of the season, I'd say BB did a fantastic job getting us a top 2 pick and a shot at a franchise altering QB.
Once again, you take challenges to your baseless assertions - BBs draft history, the talent on the defense - and literally explain it away as, "defensively waving your arms". You address no points, provide no value, and I'm not sure why it's being tolerated.
You're trolling. Find someone else to attack, half of the posters in this thread think far worse of BB's abilities than I do.
This is the last time I'm going to reply to you because it's clearly pointless.
I'm not "attacking you" because you dislike BB. The fact that I'm not "attacking" other posters that dislike BB should probably be an indicator that this is about your posting content and not your opinion.
Half his lifetime winning percentage without Brady consists of his first head coaching stint with the Cleveland Browns from about 30 years ago. Why cite that and then dismiss his acquisitions and success with Matt Cassel and Jimmy Garoppolo?
The stuff about him doing everything the same since 2004 is bullshit btw. He was running a 3-4 defense in 2004. If he was still using the exact same scouting methods and defensive schemes as he was in 2004 his defenses would have been figured out a long time ago.
Make a case why BB's ability to create a half-decent defense more than covers for his inability to field a modern offense. If you say he got unlucky that Mac is bad, you fail. Go.
He went 25-25 from 2020-2022. Since your argument was that his great seasons were Brady-dependent, what sort of record would a good coach have had those three years with Newton and Jones? 40-10? It is hard to win these days with a mediocre QB, and it is hard to get a great one. But this year def sucks.
Sure it does. But he also whiffed on some picks from about 2006-2008 and then had an incredible purple patch from 2009-2013 in which he drafted most of the players for his second dynasty team.
To my point earlier today… the entire NFL Net postgame show is about the Pats. They haven’t talked about the Colts for a second.
When Bill’s gone this kind of focus is going to fade away. I’ll miss that. It’s been so cool to be the most talked about team in the NFL for 23 years.
When Bill’s gone this kind of focus is going to fade away. I’ll miss that. It’s been so cool to be the most talked about team in the NFL for 23 years.
It's been 13 years since the Pats drafted an offensive player who was first team Pro Bowl.
They don't know how to pick offensive players. Everyone fucking sucks, especially the receivers but even the RBs have been merely fine, too.(and that is because Michel had one great postseason)
They don't know how to pick offensive players. Everyone fucking sucks, especially the receivers but even the RBs have been merely fine, too.(and that is because Michel had one great postseason)
I did.You watched the NFL Net pregame show, didn’t you?
How do you learn things if not by watching or reading?
90% of this team's issues stem from the complete incompetence of their QB. You can kill Bill for that, or for not benching him earlier or bringing in a veteran backup, but with even average QB play this team is probably around .500. Instead they are getting by far the worst QB Play in the league.
If Mac ever plays for the Pats again it will show they are not a serious organization.
If Mac ever plays for the Pats again it will show they are not a serious organization.
First team All Pro? Not exactly easy to draft First Team All Pros, especially from late in the draft. And the Pats had a 5-year stretch in that period where they made 4 Superbowls and won 3, it's not like those offenses were bad.
I'm not saying the offensive drafting has been very good, but media has been using that metric across networks, and it doesn't seem like some huge indictment to me. To me, the biggest issue by far is just that Mac Jones sucks.
There will be all kinds of drama when they find the new coach and with everything that happens. If they end up being good that will also have its drama. I don't understand this point, also, why do we even care if pardon the interruption is about the Pats or the Chiefs?
Holy moly, that speaks volumes. Don't you have to get one just by accident? Any other team done that bad?
edit: Upon review, without knowing how other teams have done this stat might be as terrible as I thought.
First team pro bowl, not really.
That is 11 players a year it's a small selection. Also in that time Both Brady and Gronk have been. It's a weirdly stupid stat
No. BB's fault is in continuing to start and play a terrible QB and not either moving on from him or getting a good backup to push him. That's on BB.
Gronk getting drafted in the 3rd hurts the stat. It's idiotic. Just look at the results instead.
Nah, their line has been horrible too (Mac often turtles too quickly but look at the pocket he had today against 4 pass rushers vs. the one Minshew had), as have their receivers. But those problems seem more tractable (and the line this year seems really snakebitten injury wise, and might have been okay with better luck).
When Mac had time today he was still throwing off his back foot and not seeing wide open receivers.
It's Mac.
Even with a half-decent QB, the skill players are bottom of the league. I looked at the offensive rosters of the AFC East prior to the start of the season and foresaw this team being in deep shit unless Mac took a gigantic leap. He didn't, and here we are.
The Chiefs haven’t drafted a first team All-Pro in six years. And the Bills haven’t drafted a first team All-Pro offensive player since Thurman Thomas, I think.
It’s an overly cute stat that overstates the case, and the case doesn’t really need that.
With a half decent QB they'd be in the mix for a WC playoff spot.
It's Mac. And it's on BB for continuing to play him and for not getting a viable alternative to him.
The WEAPONZ argument is silly at this point. He has open receivers. Quite a few, in fact. He can't get them the ball.
View: https://twitter.com/chadgraff/status/1723760963831120257?s=46
Bill Belichick on whether questions about his job security bother him:
“Just go out and do the best I can every game.”
Bill Belichick on whether questions about his job security bother him:
“Just go out and do the best I can every game.”
I don’t like the stat but fist team All Pro and Pro Bowl starter are two very different things. Can we at least cite/argue against the right stat?
I think you bring up an interesting point. BB seemingly knows the answer isn't Zappe. He tried to get Corral, that didn't work. Maybe after the bye he tries to give Grier a chance? I mean if the Pats were trying to win, I think a guy like Minshew or Dobbs would have the Pats with a much better record.
Minshew would have this team in the playoff mix, easily. And he's not good..
Grier would be a fine choice to start after the bye but I suppose we will have to wait and see.
I really think we need to stop responding to this guy. Every time he is quoted, he uses it as an opportunity to post again. If we stop responding he hopefully will burn himself out by week 14 or something.
I said a while back (like a couple years ago) that I wished the Pats had acquired Minshew. I think he's better than a lot of NFL people think he is. But it's not like he was great today. He had the huge throw at the end that was nifty footwork but was a PHENOMENAL catch by the receiver - the kind that never seems to happen for the Patriots by the way - but made a bunch of bad throws too and had what should have been a key INT. And his offense only put up 10 points, 3 of which were on a short field.
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I don’t even disagree with your point all that much but holy hell give it a rest. We get it.
I mean, pulling Mac with a chance to win the game is just straight up giving up on him, right? How do you go back to him? How do you play Zappe? They still have 7 games left to play. I'm just baffled by what is going on. This is going to be a fascinating trainwreck.
I don't want to Fire BB but I also don't want to win anymore games this year.
If Kraft allows BB to suck this year, it will be a top 5 decision he has made as owner. Ofcourse others do not agree with this.
If Kraft allows BB to suck this year, it will be a top 5 decision he has made as owner. Ofcourse others do not agree with this.
Kenny Powers thinks this is great for BB, he gets a shot at a real QB. Or something. I'm taking a break from this board and letting you eat yourselves while this team falls off a cliff. They are doing more on the field than I can do on a message board to make my point. I'll see y'all in the offseason.
BB will be gone in the offseason, it will be interesting times around here.
PS. I'll come back if he gets fired in the bye week. Won't happen, but in the off chance it does, I'll have to say something. Peace.
Doubt it. He’s been benched several times already this year. What makes this most recent benching any different?
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