I hear ya. Teams with offensive firepower like Green Bay and Cincy are scary matchups. But not just for the Pats, but for the entire league. I think in this current era of pro football that the mind set needs to be not shutting down but just slowing down a passing attack. The field is so tilted for the offense that even a middle of the road QB with some halfway decent WRs is more often then not going to put up surprisingly big numbers, even against good defenses. Basically I'm saving that outside of a few elite guys. The shut down secondary may not be a thing anymore.RedOctober3829 said:The ultimate goal would have to probably go through (Cant believe im saying this) CIN and possibly GB. Can this secondary hold up against those skill players? That's the standard I'm judging against not the Jets with Fitzpatrick.
The timing to the Dobson catch happening really early in the 3rd q was key to it not being challenged. Bowles had already used 1 challenge in 1st half and maybe he was leery of burning a possible last challenge that he might need later. Especially when it wasn't obvious live or revealed during a quick replay with the right angle, and especially when you never know when the random foot mark of a ref will later spot the ball 0.5 - 1.0 yards away from the proper spot (as happens like 60% of the time) and have such an occurrence happen when it'll screw a team over on a line to gain.Ed Hillel said:I think the ball hit the ground, as well. I think a couple of us did mention it in the game thread, but luckily Bowles let it go. It was a pretty inexplicable day with the drops. I did think a number of LaFell's drops were poor throws from Brady. Either that or their timing was just off a bit. That Edelman drop was the biggest of all.
All things considered he looked better today than, say, early last season when it looked like he wasn't even reading the same playbook as Brady. He got open all day, just couldn't finish the job.RedOctober3829 said:Love the accountability from Jojo. He'll get better with more reps.
Can their defenses stop Brady and Gronk?RedOctober3829 said:The ultimate goal would have to probably go through (Cant believe im saying this) CIN and possibly GB. Can this secondary hold up against those skill players? That's the standard I'm judging against not the Jets with Fitzpatrick.
SeoulSoxFan said:
@RyanHannable Jets' Willie Colon: "I'm pissed off. Felt like we were the better team."
No, Willie, no.
I used to watch Mangini's midweek press conferences and then I saw what the press wrote and that was it for me and paying attention to the mediaDrewDawg said:
Jesus, the media sucks.
The next line of this quote was "But obviously we weren't."
And they did pretty much the same thing to Richardson earlier in the week. GJGE media! I like this jets team, as much as a Pats fan can. If they can maintain, it should be a couple years of great games between them.DrewDawg said:Jesus, the media sucks.
The next line of this quote was "But obviously we weren't."
Wow, really good. You don't often see mainstream media key in on and break down a single play like that. Perhaps they're spooked by ITP.E5 Yaz said:Greg Bedard with a really fine breakdown of the third-and-17 pass to Edelman
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/10/25/nfl-week-7-patriots-jets-tom-brady-julian-edelman
Ignoring the stupid joke I found this to be a pretty major admission from Bailey. Didn't bother to study the Pats #1 receiver? Oops.“What’s his name, Edelman-dela?” said Bailey, combining Edelman and similarly built Danny Amendola together. “He just stemmed his route good. I hadn’t really studied him in particular that much and he just stemmed it. I thought he gave me a corner stem and then he crossed my face. He fooled me with the stem, got me going the other way.”
sachmoney said:Penthouse:
Brady - Think he accounted for all but 1 of the Pats yards
Amendola - the go to guy down the stretch when someone had to step up
Gronk - quietly had a very solid day, dragged some dbs for sport
Nink - batted a bunch of passes
Hightower - big in the running game, especially early, was missed last week
Gostkowski - Mr. Automatic
Doghouse:
Brandon LaFell - Brady didn't dog him for the drops and kept going to him and he kept dropping it. In fact, if you gave him a game ball, he'd drop it
Dont’a Hightower: eight pressures, two QB hits, six hurries
Agreed. Hightower was a force out there. Bubba Smith Police Academy level force. What an absolute joy it has been watching him go from nearly a draft bust to a nightmare for offenses to scheme against.SeoulSoxFan said:Per Doug Kyed's stat tracking: http://nesn.com/2015/10/patriots-advanced-stats-donta-hightower-receiver-drops-stand-out/
I wasn't even sure he was going to play. They have to extend both HT & Collins. One of the reasons why losing Revis was an unavoidable evil.
But... But... Mel Kiper gives his draft grades the hour after the draft ends. What do you mean it can take years to determine if a player will pan out!?GeorgeCostanza said:Agreed. Hightower was a force out there. Bubba Smith Police Academy level force. What an absolute joy it has been watching him go from nearly a draft bust to a nightmare for offenses to scheme against.
He needs to get the database admin credentials from Chad Ford so he go back and change some grades.dynomite said:But... But... Mel Kiper gives his draft grades the hour after the draft ends. What do you mean it can take years to determine if a player will pan out!?
Fair, but Brandon Marshall also dropped what should have been a TD that would have made it 24-16.lexrageorge said:And the Jets were held to 23 points, with the last 3 coming on a desperation play... So the defense did something right. Patricia's squad doesn't get an A, but they did earn at least a B-.
DrewDawg said:
Jesus, the media sucks.
The next line of this quote was "But obviously we weren't."
dynomite said:But... But... Mel Kiper gives his draft grades the hour after the draft ends. What do you mean it can take years to determine if a player will pan out!?
And that seemed to set up the final TD quite well. He stayed in to block like he had many times all game but then had the quick release for the easy TD. Great scheming by McDNumber45forever said:Gronk and Brady split the game ball here. Another thing that can't be mentioned enough is how good a blocked Gronk is. Brady had him motion in and pass block so many times in the second half when NY was showing pressure.
The refs had a tough game no doubt with the two early spots being obvious issues but that pick play was perfectly legal as it took place within 1 yard of the LoS. The Jets did this on two separate plays and the Pats did it once as well.dynomite said:Fair, but Brandon Marshall also dropped what should have been a TD that would have made it 24-16.
You know who deserved a Down: that officiating crew.
From blowing a hilariously obvious Decker pick play (actually, a full on block while the ball was in the air) to blowing ball spots multiple times, including that clown show mix up right before half time (3rd down... No 1st... Oh Jets challenge... 3rd down), that crew looked overwhelmed and amateurish for stretches.
lexrageorge said:Last season, the Jets gained over 200 yards on the ground against New England, good for over 5 yards per carry. On Sunday, Jets RB's averaged less than 3 yards per carry. Marshall's 4 catches was a season low, and his 67 yards receiving was his lowest since the opening game. And the Jets were held to 23 points, with the last 3 coming on a desperation play assisted by a scheme aimed to prevent a quick TD. Fitzpatrick was sacked for the 3rd and 4th time this season. So the defense did something right. Patricia's squad doesn't get an A, but they did earn at least a B-.
The secondary wasn't great. But they made some nice plays when the Jets got the ball back middle of the 4th quarter to force a key punt. Sometimes it is a matter of making plays when you need to make them.
If there is one area that needs work, it's the onsides kick recovery team. The Pats were gifted one by the officials against the Colts at a key juncture of the game, and I have no idea why the Pats could not recover the Jets kick.
There were a couple of officiating gaffes that almost mattered. The DPI call on Butler after he was pushed aside by Decker in the 4th quarter was lame, and there is no way that Marshall was not in bounds when he was tackled on the final Jets FG drive. The penalty on the Jets final drive had nothing to do with Marshall not being set; he jumped across the line a couple of seconds before the snap. Didn't matter that he got set again before the snap.
There was one offensive series where I didn't quite understand the play call. On their final drive, the Pats snapped the ball with 2:17 left. The play clock appeared to have about 10 or 12 seconds left. I was surprised Brady didn't let the clock tick down further, as the 2 quick incompletions forced the Pats to call 3 plays before the 2 minute warning. Fortunately, the 3rd play resulted in an Amendola first down, which pretty much iced the game for NE.
I'll give the game balls to the same cast of players already noted: Amendola, Edelman for running that smart route on the huge 3rd-and-17 (a true game changing play), Hightower/Collins, the patchwork OL. I'll also add that the blitz pickups by the RB's were also helpful in buying Brady just enough time to unload the ball.
Finally, if someone has an argument as to why Brady is not the best QB in the league right now, I'm all ears (or eyes). Any stat that attempts to claim otherwise is probably not worth the bits and bytes used in its calculation.
Have you played in the NFL before?BaseballJones said:Timing is an issue with route-running, not with catching passes that hit him right in the hands.
I didn't get the Marshall penalty at the end of the game. I thought he was across and standing still when the ball got snapped. I didn't see anything wrong there.
I could be wrong and haven't seen a replay -- are you certain that wasn't further than 1 yard from the LOS? Decker looked to be 2-3 yards downfield.Byrdbrain said:The refs had a tough game no doubt with the two early spots being obvious issues but that pick play was perfectly legal as it took place within 1 yard of the LoS. The Jets did this on two separate plays and the Pats did it once as well.
He had issues like this in Carolina, where things snowballed in game, but Im inclined to pretty much throw this game out as well. I think Mike Reiss wrote that BB said on the pregame show that LaFell wasn't game ready yet, but he was out there for a strong majority of snaps. Maybe they should have kept Martin active and played him over LaFell. Definitely an F level performance, but for now it means about zero for LaFell's role in the offense.lexrageorge said:I'll break ranks here and give LaFell the mulligan. He's had the benefit of all of 3 practices since February, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was still getting his timing down.
dynomite said:I could be wrong and haven't seen a replay -- are you certain that wasn't further than 1 yard from the LOS? Decker looked to be 2-3 yards downfield.
lexrageorge said:Have you played in the NFL before?
Timing matters when it comes to knowing when the ball is actually going to be in your hands, when to turn to run after the catch, etc. The practice reps matter, and LaFell's had precious few.
He also had issues at the start of last season. Seems it's a pattern with him.Stitch01 said:He had issues like this in Carolina, where things snowballed in game, but Im inclined to pretty much throw this game out as well. I think Mike Reiss wrote that BB said on the pregame show that LaFell wasn't game ready yet, but he was out there for a strong majority of snaps. Maybe they should have kept Martin active and played him over LaFell. Definitely an F level performance, but for now it means about zero for LaFell's role in the offense.
Wow, good spot.DrewDawg said:
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There was at least one play where Lafell's poor timing was evident. He was about 15 yards down field and on the left of Brady when the ball came his way, a little high. He jumped so early he had landed before the ball arrived and the DB was able to reach up and make the play. I dont have a clip or screenshot of it.BaseballJones said:Timing is an issue with route-running, not with catching passes that hit him right in the hands.
lexrageorge said:Last season, the Jets gained over 200 yards on the ground against New England, good for over 5 yards per carry. On Sunday, Jets RB's averaged less than 3 yards per carry. Marshall's 4 catches was a season low, and his 67 yards receiving was his lowest since the opening game. And the Jets were held to 23 points, with the last 3 coming on a desperation play assisted by a scheme aimed to prevent a quick TD. Fitzpatrick was sacked for the 3rd and 4th time this season. So the defense did something right. Patricia's squad doesn't get an A, but they did earn at least a B-.
The secondary wasn't great. But they made some nice plays when the Jets got the ball back middle of the 4th quarter to force a key punt. Sometimes it is a matter of making plays when you need to make them.
If there is one area that needs work, it's the onsides kick recovery team. The Pats were gifted one by the officials against the Colts at a key juncture of the game, and I have no idea why the Pats could not recover the Jets kick.
There were a couple of officiating gaffes that almost mattered. The DPI call on Butler after he was pushed aside by Decker in the 4th quarter was lame, and there is no way that Marshall was not in bounds when he was tackled on the final Jets FG drive. The penalty on the Jets final drive had nothing to do with Marshall not being set; he jumped across the line a couple of seconds before the snap. Didn't matter that he got set again before the snap.
There was one offensive series where I didn't quite understand the play call. On their final drive, the Pats snapped the ball with 2:17 left. The play clock appeared to have about 10 or 12 seconds left. I was surprised Brady didn't let the clock tick down further, as the 2 quick incompletions forced the Pats to call 3 plays before the 2 minute warning. Fortunately, the 3rd play resulted in an Amendola first down, which pretty much iced the game for NE.
I'll give the game balls to the same cast of players already noted: Amendola, Edelman for running that smart route on the huge 3rd-and-17 (a true game changing play), Hightower/Collins, the patchwork OL. I'll also add that the blitz pickups by the RB's were also helpful in buying Brady just enough time to unload the ball.
Finally, if someone has an argument as to why Brady is not the best QB in the league right now, I'm all ears (or eyes). Any stat that attempts to claim otherwise is probably not worth the bits and bytes used in its calculation.
The official nearest the play ruled Marshall being out of bounds and stopped the clock. Had Mangold not been hurt, the Jets would have had a free clock stoppage. The Mangold injury made the call moot.Dogman2 said:
The clock stopped with the Mangold injury, not because the ref ruled Marshall got out of bounds. Jets lost a timeout too.
Import78 said:Nothing really new to add, but I really liked the play design on the Gronk TD late in the game. It looked like a TE screen, but worked flawlessly. I love taking advantage of an aggressive pass rush like that.
lexrageorge said:The official nearest the play ruled Marshall being out of bounds and stopped the clock. Had Mangold not been hurt, the Jets would have had a free clock stoppage. The Mangold injury made the call moot.