The Bullpen Thread

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Depending on what happens in bullpen sessions Wednesday and Saturday, Koji Uehara could be reinstated from the disabled list by early next week, according to Red Sox manager John Farrell. Uehara hasn't pitched since July 19 because of a strained right pectoral muscle.
If they can get him back like he was right before he got injured. That would be a huge boost. He had seemed to be doing well in his final 5 appearances or so filling in for Kimbrel.
 

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Abad has been Abetter in the past 4 mop up roles. Baubles he's got his sea legs under him now and we should go back to him?

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Abad has been Abetter in the past 4 mop up roles. Baubles he's got his sea legs under him now and we should go back to him?

Throwing darts.
That's the MO of the entire pen. Throw a handful of decent outings together then crap the bed, again and again. Rinse and repeat with pretty much everyone.
 

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Abad has been Abetter in the past 4 mop up roles. Baubles he's got his sea legs under him now and we should go back to him?

Throwing darts.
It's possible he needed to adjust to Boston, but he also has a really striking leverage split for his career. Could be just noise but he's allowed a .971 OPS in 243 high-leverage PA (b-r definition) and under a .700 OPS in medium or low-leverage. (Of course he was immediately thrown into very high leverage situations when he arrived here).
 

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That's the MO of the entire pen. Throw a handful of decent outings together then crap the bed, again and again. Rinse and repeat with pretty much everyone.
I think this is what will happen with Kelly. He's been really good in AAA in relief. He'll come up tomorrow and be put in a big spot and.....vomit all over himself. And we will turn to the next guy. Then the next guy.
 

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Papelbon hasn't pitched since August 6. Even if he signed today, he'd need to get in shape and at the very least have a bunch of bullpen sessions to get ready to pitch in live games, never mind hi-lev situations. And honestly given that nothing's happened on that front even with the Sox reporting some interest in him, I'd bet he's debating whether to pitch at all again this year.

That ship has sailed.
 

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So why hasn't anyone DLed Taz and called up Kelly yet? Taz is obviously cooked...you would think that they might want Kelly to you know be eligible for the post season if they can catch lightning in the bottle.
 

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At this point it really doesn't matter does it? Kelly can come up tomorrow without having to DL anyone.
I think that would have been the right move a week or two ago but not now.

Edit:For some reason I didn't catch the "eligible for the postseason" angle of Tyrone's post, if I had I would have pointed out that is not even remotely an issue, the loophole for post season eligibility is so large there is no issue getting anyone in the organization eligible.
 
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So why hasn't anyone DLed Taz and called up Kelly yet? Taz is obviously cooked...you would think that they might want Kelly to you know be eligible for the post season if they can catch lightning in the bottle.
Kelly will be eligible for the postseason no matter where he is at midnight tonight. (Its Major League Rule 40, which I cant find right now, but optioned players are eligible.)

Taz isn't hurt. If he was, he'd be on the DL.
 

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Kelly will be eligible for the postseason no matter where he is at midnight tonight. (Its Major League Rule 40, which I cant find right now, but optioned players are eligible.)

Taz isn't hurt. If he was, he'd be on the DL.
Whether he's hurt or not he looks done. Something isn't right with Taz.
 

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At this point it really doesn't matter does it? Kelly can come up tomorrow without having to DL anyone.
I think that would have been the right move a week or two ago but not now.

Edit:For some reason I didn't catch the "eligible for the postseason" angle of Tyrone's post, if I had I would have pointed out that is not even remotely an issue, the loophole for post season eligibility is so large there is no issue getting anyone in the organization eligible.
There's no need for a loophole. Everyone on the 40-man roster as of August 31 is eligible for the post-season roster. Loopholes are only needed for players who aren't on the 40-man roster as of that date.
 

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Why does it seem that everyone on the planet BUT the manager knows who should be in what role in this bullpen? Buchholz in the eighth? That's beyond moronic.

Closer - Kimbrel: too simple to f up.
Setup - Ziegler: his issues with lefties are overstated. HE WAS THE CLOSER FOR THE D-BACKS!!!
7th - Barnes/ Abad: With defined roles I think both of these guys could flourish.
Long-man/ mop-up - Buchholz: kind of a no-brainer.
LOOGY - Ross
That leaves Koji/ Taz/ someone who isn't cooked/ as situational.

I haven't bashed on JFF a lot but for christ's sake this isn't finite math. I understand why he still has a job but the fact that Carl Willis is still earning a paycheck is beyond me. This shouldn't be the fatal flaw for the '16 Sox. This team has too much talent to piss away on poor bullpen management.
 

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I know Zeigler was unavailable yesterday. I'm talking in a more general sense.

Buch pitching to Longoria is downright insane though.
 

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Why does it seem that everyone on the planet BUT the manager knows who should be in what role in this bullpen? Buchholz in the eighth? That's beyond moronic.

Closer - Kimbrel: too simple to f up.
Setup - Ziegler: his issues with lefties are overstated. HE WAS THE CLOSER FOR THE D-BACKS!!!
7th - Barnes/ Abad: With defined roles I think both of these guys could flourish.
Long-man/ mop-up - Buchholz: kind of a no-brainer.
LOOGY - Ross
That leaves Koji/ Taz/ someone who isn't cooked/ as situational.

I haven't bashed on JFF a lot but for christ's sake this isn't finite math. I understand why he still has a job but the fact that Carl Willis is still earning a paycheck is beyond me. This shouldn't be the fatal flaw for the '16 Sox. This team has too much talent to piss away on poor bullpen management.
Wasn't half this board clamoring for Buchholz to take the 8th after he went back to the pen? Or did you mean "everyone on the planet who can see into the future?"
 

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Farrell said yesterday that they didn't have defined roles late inning roles because of the bullpen make up (ie it is horrible).

I don't understand what the issue is with Buchholz in the 8th last night when he's been one of the few effective pitchers right now.
It's probably Koji in a week if he's actually back but the only ok pitchers they have before Kimbrel is Ross and Ziegler. I don't trust Barnes and his 93rd out of 146th xFip among relievers right now in close and late situations either.

Ross wasn't going to face Longoria, so the alternatives were not good with Ziegler unavailable.
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I thought Buch looked pretty good actually. He made one absolutely horrible pitch, at the worst time, to the worst batter. The other guys made quick groundball outs (Pedey save not withstanding). I think we can expect some similar innings when Koji returns, good pitching with the occasional bomb.
 

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Papelbon hasn't pitched since August 6. Even if he signed today, he'd need to get in shape and at the very least have a bunch of bullpen sessions to get ready to pitch in live games, never mind hi-lev situations. And honestly given that nothing's happened on that front even with the Sox reporting some interest in him, I'd bet he's debating whether to pitch at all again this year.

That ship has sailed.
Do you really think he hasn't picked up a baseball in that time, if he has any inclination to sign with someone? I mean I know he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'd imagine the guy is at least throwing.
 

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I know Zeigler was unavailable yesterday. I'm talking in a more general sense.

Buch pitching to Longoria is downright insane though.
Then who?

Ross is a LHP.
Abad is a LHP who has struggled.
Taz is toast.
Barnes had pitched the 7th and hadn't looked great anyway with the walk.
Ziegler was out sick.
Kimbrel has been shaky at best of late and isn't going to be used to get 5 outs, not at this point in the season.

All our options suck.

A healthy and effective Koji would be a godsend, but he's not healthy and he's struggled this year anyway.

The bullpen is a disaster and will keep this team from winning the WS at the very least. It's very possible it will be the biggest factor in preventing this club from even reaching the postseason.
 

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Do you really think he hasn't picked up a baseball in that time, if he has any inclination to sign with someone? I mean I know he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'd imagine the guy is at least throwing.
He hasn't faced live hitting in almost a month. Before this sabbatical, he had lost his closer's role by pitching like garbage.

It's fair to say he's a very long way from helping this bullpen in any circumstances.
 

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I thought Buch looked pretty good actually. He made one absolutely horrible pitch, at the worst time, to the worst batter. The other guys made quick groundball outs (Pedey save not withstanding). I think we can expect some similar innings when Koji returns, good pitching with the occasional bomb.
Buchholz is a really gifted pitcher without a sense of the moment. That's why the 8th inning slot is not ideal for him. Pitching around Longoria would have been easy in this situation. Maybe someone will coach him as to the meaning of pitching around.
 

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Who should it have been?
Not Buchholz.

Wasn't half this board clamoring for Buchholz to take the 8th after he went back to the pen? Or did you mean "everyone on the planet who can see into the future?"
It didn't take a crystal ball to know Buch can't handle the setup role. I'm sorry there were some short-sighted people thinking he could.

Clays last couple starts before going back to the pen were great and all, but it's completely different from a setup role. Clay in a one inning role goes against everything we know about him. His numbers in the first inning, going against a batter for the first time and in high leverage situations are all terrible.
 

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He hasn't faced live hitting in almost a month. Before this sabbatical, he had lost his closer's role by pitching like garbage.

It's fair to say he's a very long way from helping this bullpen in any circumstances.
Or the rest has gotten through a dead arm phase that led to his pitching like garbage for 5 games. He's been doing this a long time, I don't think he exactly needs a minor league stint to remember how to pitch effectively enough to handle the 7th inning better than the tripe that's being trotted out on a nightly basis right now.
 

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Not Buchholz.



It didn't take a crystal ball to know Buch can't handle the setup role. I'm sorry there were some short-sighted people thinking he could.

Clays last couple starts before going back to the pen were great and all, but it's completely different from a setup role. Clay in a one inning role goes against everything we know about him. His numbers in the first inning, going against a batter for the first time and in high leverage situations are all terrible.
You've been asked multiple times but have yet to answer, who should it have been?
I think Clay was a completely reasonable option to all of those who don't have 20/20 foresight.
 

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Re; Papelbon: I vehemently disagree, and will leave it at that. He's a 35 year old dipshit one pitch pitcher having a horseshit year, who has been declining in performance for quite some time, and who has given ZERO indication he would be willing to pitch in an 8th inning role. The last factor might be the reason he hasn't signed with anyone since Washington dumped his ass, because he wants to close and do nothing else.
 

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Papelbon hasn't pitched since August 6. Even if he signed today, he'd need to get in shape and at the very least have a bunch of bullpen sessions to get ready to pitch in live games, never mind hi-lev situations. And honestly given that nothing's happened on that front even with the Sox reporting some interest in him, I'd bet he's debating whether to pitch at all again this year.

That ship has sailed.
If he's driven to do well in an effort to land a job for next season, isn't that something that he could and should be doing on his own?

Sorry, didn't see that PP pretty much posed the same question down thread.
 

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Re; Papelbon: I vehemently disagree, and will leave it at that. He's a 35 year old dipshit one pitch pitcher having a horseshit year, who has been declining in performance for quite some time, and who has given ZERO indication he would be willing to pitch in an 8th inning role. The last factor might be the reason he hasn't signed with anyone since Washington dumped his ass, because he wants to close and do nothing else.
Wow, the bolded shows that you either have a personal issue with him (which kind of rings thru the rest of your stance) or just haven't paid attention. He had a horeshit stretch of five games. Otherwise he was having a pretty solid year. You may be right he won't sign unless he;s the closer, but if he will, he would help the pen by default.
 

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Not Buchholz.



It didn't take a crystal ball to know Buch can't handle the setup role. I'm sorry there were some short-sighted people thinking he could.

Clays last couple starts before going back to the pen were great and all, but it's completely different from a setup role. Clay in a one inning role goes against everything we know about him. His numbers in the first inning, going against a batter for the first time and in high leverage situations are all terrible.
So you don't want him in the pen at all except to mop up? Cause none of that is exclusive to a setup role. A tie game is always high leverage in a relief situation.
 

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Combining the two discussions in this thread I would say the best person to have come in the 8th would have been Papelbon.


Edit:FYI this is a joke, I actually don't think Papelbon is planning on playing this year and is likely not working out.
 

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Edit:FYI this is a joke, I actually don't think Papelbon is planning on playing this year and is likely not working out.
Paps is rested, and he hasn't given up a run in 3 weeks.
 
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Farrell said yesterday that they didn't have defined roles late inning roles because of the bullpen make up (ie it is horrible).

I don't understand what the issue is with Buchholz in the 8th last night when he's been one of the few effective pitchers right now.
It's probably Koji in a week if he's actually back but the only ok pitchers they have before Kimbrel is Ross and Ziegler. I don't trust Barnes and his 93rd out of 146th xFip among relievers right now in close and late situations either.

Ross wasn't going to face Longoria, so the alternatives were not good with Ziegler unavailable.
Lipstick on a pig.
But isn't the bigger issue that Farrell and Wills were given:
Kimbrel, Koji (elite relievers)
Tazawa, Carson Smith, Zeigler (excellent setup)
Ross (L), Hembree, Layne (L), Barnes, Abad (L) (excellent to serviceable mid relief and specialists)
Clay, Kelly (starters displaced into the bullpen)

There was also some drek, but surprisingly limited outside the Farrell-championed Noe Ramirez.

On the whole, using quick and dirty ERA+, all but the following have been close to league average or above average pitchers - Clay, Kelly, Ramirez.

Yet somehow, over the course of the season, Farrell has parleyed this average to plus talent into the results we've seen. I realize that not all payers were available at all times (some due to Farrell burning them out), but dealing with that is basically the whole point in having a competent manager. But it's pretty remarkable that people are making the argument that the bullpen is some kind of historically talent-starved disaster. It's also remarkable that better results couldn't have been coaxed out of that pen.
 

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It sucks that Buchholz gave up the winning run yesterday. He mislocated to a very good hitter after getting ahead on the count 1-2. It doesn't mean he was obviously a stupid choice or is not suited to high leverage situations. In 2013, in what was one of the great seasons by any reliever, Koji allowed 5 home runs. (Not implying Clay 2016 = Koji 2013) Even the best fail occasionally, (the point of bringing 2013 Koji into the discussion), and Clay has been failing less often than most of the pen lately.
 

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Wasn't half this board clamoring for Buchholz to take the 8th after he went back to the pen? Or did you mean "everyone on the planet who can see into the future?"
I really hope that Buchholz giving up a HR to Evan Longoria --like that's never happened before--isnt going to start another game of musical chairs in the 8th inning. He's been very good at coming in and putting up a zero. Let's give him more than 2 tries at the 8th inning.
 

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But isn't the bigger issue that Farrell and Wills were given:
Kimbrel, Koji (elite relievers)
Tazawa, Carson Smith, Zeigler (excellent setup)
Ross (L), Hembree, Layne (L), Barnes, Abad (L) (excellent to serviceable mid relief and specialists)
Clay, Kelly (starters displaced into the bullpen)

There was also some drek, but surprisingly limited outside the Farrell-championed Noe Ramirez.

On the whole, using quick and dirty ERA+, all but the following have been close to league average or above average pitchers - Clay, Kelly, Ramirez.

Yet somehow, over the course of the season, Farrell has parleyed this average to plus talent into the results we've seen. I realize that not all payers were available at all times (some due to Farrell burning them out), but dealing with that is basically the whole point in having a competent manager. But it's pretty remarkable that people are making the argument that the bullpen is some kind of historically talent-starved disaster. It's also remarkable that better results couldn't have been coaxed out of that pen.
If only Farrell had done a better job managing Carson Smith and those 9IP he gave the 2016 Red Sox.
We are entering uncharted territory in the blame JF game. Where do you go after you jump the shark? Jump the Bear?
 

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Buchholz is a really gifted pitcher without a sense of the moment. That's why the 8th inning slot is not ideal for him. Pitching around Longoria would have been easy in this situation. Maybe someone will coach him as to the meaning of pitching around.
You don't pitch around a guy in a tie game, in the 8th inning, with the bases empty, even if he is the best hitter on the opposing team. You don't hand them a baserunner in that situation. Especially after you've gotten ahead of him 1-2 and made him look damn foolish just the pitch before.

Buchholz made a poor pitch to absolutely the wrong guy to make a mistake against. No one else in that bullpen right now would have gone to the mound with a guarantee of not making a similar mistake (not even Kimbrel). No pitcher is perfect and shit happens.
 

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But isn't the bigger issue that Farrell and Wills were given:
Kimbrel, Koji (elite relievers)
Tazawa, Carson Smith, Zeigler (excellent setup)
Ross (L), Hembree, Layne (L), Barnes, Abad (L) (excellent to serviceable mid relief and specialists)
Clay, Kelly (starters displaced into the bullpen)
Koji is 41 and brittle and measures were taken to guard against this by limiting his usage early in the season.
Thus Tazawa was leaned on because of Koji's brittleness.
Carson Smith suffered a season ending injury.
Ziegler was a midseason acquisition.
Who in the Ross, Hembree, Layne, and Barnes quartet of garbage time pitching is excellent?

I know you're still valiantly beating this Fire Farrell drum but you have to do better.
 

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Buchholz has 19 K in 30 IP since July 21, and just 6 in 13 IP as a reliever during that time. He has 13 K in 22 relief IP this whole year. I guess he's outperformed his DIPs numbers before, but I like my setup guys to miss bats. Hard to have a lot of faith in him going forward (for lots of reasons).
 

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Buchholz has 19 K in 30 IP since July 21, and just 6 in 13 IP as a reliever during that time. He has 13 K in 22 relief IP this whole year. I guess he's outperformed his DIPs numbers before, but I like my setup guys to miss bats. Hard to have a lot of faith in him going forward (for lots of reasons).
The micro-issue isnt how much faith there should be in Buchholz, but whether there's really any less faith in him for a situation like last night than in any of the other available options. It's not like Farrell can call the pen in the 2nd inning and ask "which 4 of you are going to suck tonight?"
 

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But isn't the bigger issue that Farrell and Wills were given:
Kimbrel, Koji (elite relievers)
Tazawa, Carson Smith, Zeigler (excellent setup)
Ross (L), Hembree, Layne (L), Barnes, Abad (L) (excellent to serviceable mid relief and specialists)
Clay, Kelly (starters displaced into the bullpen)

There was also some drek, but surprisingly limited outside the Farrell-championed Noe Ramirez.

On the whole, using quick and dirty ERA+, all but the following have been close to league average or above average pitchers - Clay, Kelly, Ramirez.

Yet somehow, over the course of the season, Farrell has parleyed this average to plus talent into the results we've seen.
I'm sorry, but this is absolute nonsense.

-Koji at age 41 is not an elite reliever. Not even close.
-Tazawa was an excellent set-up man...fourteen months ago. Since then he looked like he was done
- I don't know which of Ross/Hembree/Layne/Barnes/Abad you think are excellent. I'd say Ross and Barnes are adequate at best, the others less so.
- Layne was a "league average" pitcher only because he was limited to very rare situations. Anything outside of a LOOGY-type role and he was mediocre at best. Besides, if you're going to have a LOOGY specialist in your bullpen, "league average" in LOOGY situations isn't good enough, or else what's the point?
- As noted a few posts above, Abad seems to be good only in low-leverage situations. Not helpful.
- Hembree had a few good stretches, but he's not quite a major league pitcher yet. The only reason he shows up with "league average" numbers is that he was sent down to AAA very quickly once he stopped getting results, rather than waiting for him to drag his numbers down even further.
 

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You've been asked multiple times but have yet to answer, who should it have been?
I think Clay was a completely reasonable option to all of those who don't have 20/20 foresight.
Please answer the question.
I read Hawks post about not pitching around Longoria but I disagree. I think you take a chance and pitch around Longo then have Ross pitch to Miller trying to induce a GB. Miller and Longoria aren't exactly speedsters.

Edit: Honestly, this is all hindsight. I'm aware of that. I think of the Buchholz we all know and tolerate and shudder to think we put him in a setup role.
 
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Koji is 41 and brittle and measures were taken to guard against this by limiting his usage early in the season.
Thus Tazawa was leaned on because of Koji's brittleness.
Carson Smith suffered a season ending injury.
Ziegler was a midseason acquisition.
Who in the Ross, Hembree, Layne, and Barnes quartet of garbage time pitching is excellent?

I know you're still valiantly beating this Fire Farrell drum but you have to do better.
Farrell knew what he was getting - and he did make intelligent decisions to preserve Koji. When Carson Smith went down, he tried to plug Noe Ramierez into that role instead of regrouping. Then he promptly burnt out Tazawa. He was given replacement players whose acquisitions were near-universially approved on this board, given their track records to date and the needs of the club.

Ross, Hembree, and Layne are not bad pitchers. They're at worst average and have slight splits that can be played to their advantage. Look at the stats. (SSS but Layne is doing very well for NY - the only runs allowed were in one appearance against Boston.) Barnes isn't doing well recently, but for the majority of the year, he was effective. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=barnema01&t=p&year=2016

My point is that people are pretending the bad results are from a talentless pen that somehow stumbles into preserving games. In fact, the numbers suggest that none of the major players in the pen has been truly disastrous. Their in-game use and management may have produced poor results, and some of that will be individual players, correctly placed in positions to succeed, just having meltdowns.

FWIW, I don't think Farrell is a drooling idiot. I do think he's paid handsomely to be much more intelligent and informed than we are about the bullpen, and that he's supposed to get the most he can out of it. Maybe he's average at long-term bullpen management and just completely snakebit by circumstance. But this idea that Farrell's hands are and were tied by a substandard bullpen is not borne out by the numbers on first glance. (I know ERA+ isn't the best way to look at it, but the individual relievers OPS allowed numbers aren't bad either.)
 

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I'm sorry, but this is absolute nonsense.

-Koji at age 41 is not an elite reliever. Not even close.
-Tazawa was an excellent set-up man...fourteen months ago. Since then he looked like he was done
- I don't know which of Ross/Hembree/Layne/Barnes/Abad you think are excellent. I'd say Ross and Barnes are adequate at best, the others less so.
- Layne was a "league average" pitcher only because he was limited to very rare situations. Anything outside of a LOOGY-type role and he was mediocre at best. Besides, if you're going to have a LOOGY specialist in your bullpen, "league average" in LOOGY situations isn't good enough, or else what's the point?
- As noted a few posts above, Abad seems to be good only in low-leverage situations. Not helpful.
- Hembree had a few good stretches, but he's not quite a major league pitcher yet. The only reason he shows up with "league average" numbers is that he was sent down to AAA very quickly once he stopped getting results, rather than waiting for him to drag his numbers down even further.
I think you should sit down with the game logs for a bit.

They tell tell another story on Taz: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=tazawju01&t=p&year=2016

And Hembree: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=tazawju01&t=p&year=2016

Koji is more interesting - he lost it in several games: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=tazawju01&t=p&year=2016
I also didn't realize the fragile Koji was pitched as frequently. Half his appearances were on 1 days rest or less.