tims4wins said:
Great. How the shit am I supposed to work, sleep, eat, work out, etc. over the next two weeks.
Otis Foster said:NEP among preferred destination for Jared Allen: http://gnb.scout.com/2/1382902.html
Story last night was that he was heading to Denver.
According to the source, the Buccaneers, Patriots and Giants are among the other teams on Allen’s list.
https://twitter.com/BKDenverSports/status/443390603401773056Despite interest from DAL, source close to Wesley Woodyard told me his 1st trip is to NE, with another team visit planned after
Corsi said:https://twitter.com/BKDenverSports/status/443390603401773056
So is this a sign they've given up on Hightower as more than a two-down player?rodderick said:
I'm all for this move. Woodyard, Collins and Mayo would go a long way towards solving our problems with TE's and RB's coming across the middle.
I'd say so. Woodyard is a coverage guy.Super Nomario said:So is this a sign they've given up on Hightower as more than a two-down player?
Stitch01 said:I'm bracing for the Wilfork cut.
rodderick said:Apparently Owen Daniels was just released. Anyone would kick the tires on him?
In 2012 PFF had him as their #1 coverage 4-3 OLB. Not sure whether his dropoff this year is a real thing (he did shift from WLB to MLB; presumably he'd be a WLB with the Pats).ElcaballitoMVP said:FWIW, PFF wasn't a big fan of Woodyard's play this year: -7.7 rating in 859 snaps. Only had 5 games with a positive rating out of 17 he played in. Interestingly, two of his worst games came against the Pats (-1.3 in week 12 and -0.5 in the playoffs. He was especially bad in pass coverage in those games).
Probably won't break the bank, and would allow Hightower to take over the Spikes role against the run and then get him off the field in obvious passing situations.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Injuries are the obvious caveat, but when he's on the field he's still a productive player. He was due to make $6 million this year, so the cut isn't a surprise.
My guess is that he and the team couldn't work out a restructured deal, but that he ends up back with them.
He's certainly a good option as the second fiddle (1st when Gronk is out for 6 games or whatever the fuck he's out). I'd be intrigued if I were the Patriots.
Super Nomario said:In 2012 PFF had him as their #1 coverage 4-3 OLB. Not sure whether his dropoff this year is a real thing (he did shift from WLB to MLB; presumably he'd be a WLB with the Pats).
I don't understand why they need to add a LB here. They usually play a 4-2 on passing downs, and Mayo / Collins looks like a legit combo for those situations. Whoever was 4th LB barely played last year. Does this suggest Mayo is a potential surprise cut? He's a guy where overthecap.com and patscap.com disagree on how his contract is structured; if OTC is right, cutting him saves money and avoids a big roster bonus.
I get what you're saying but I think it's a fine move to add a LB. Spikes and Fletcher are leaving so depth is needed there.Super Nomario said:In 2012 PFF had him as their #1 coverage 4-3 OLB. Not sure whether his dropoff this year is a real thing (he did shift from WLB to MLB; presumably he'd be a WLB with the Pats).
I don't understand why they need to add a LB here. They usually play a 4-2 on passing downs, and Mayo / Collins looks like a legit combo for those situations. Whoever was 4th LB barely played last year. Does this suggest Mayo is a potential surprise cut? He's a guy where overthecap.com and patscap.com disagree on how his contract is structured; if OTC is right, cutting him saves money and avoids a big roster bonus.
Super Nomario said:In 2012 PFF had him as their #1 coverage 4-3 OLB. Not sure whether his dropoff this year is a real thing (he did shift from WLB to MLB; presumably he'd be a WLB with the Pats).
I don't understand why they need to add a LB here. They usually play a 4-2 on passing downs, and Mayo / Collins looks like a legit combo for those situations. Whoever was 4th LB barely played last year. Does this suggest Mayo is a potential surprise cut? He's a guy where overthecap.com and patscap.com disagree on how his contract is structured; if OTC is right, cutting him saves money and avoids a big roster bonus.
Ed Hillel said:
Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like OTC's math is just wrong.
Either way, the best they're doing is saving just under 4 million bucks. To cut Jerod Mayo? Not a chance. You aren't replacing the hole Mayo leaves for anywhere near 4 million.
Dogman2 said:
I call bullshit on your working out.
I suspect you're right.Ed Hillel said:Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like OTC's math is just wrong.
*If* the OTC figures are right (and if the Pats perceive some sort of dropoff in Mayo's play), it would make sense because there's a roster bonus that kicks in and it makes it harder to cut him after 2015. I think you're probably right though - the numbers are wrong, and they ain't cutting Mayo anyway.Ed Hillel said:Either way, the best they're doing is saving just under 4 million bucks. To cut Jerod Mayo? Not a chance. You aren't replacing the hole Mayo leaves for anywhere near 4 million.
They need depth, but there aren't enough snaps to go around. Spikes played 694 snaps last year; Fletcher 233. Mayo's return covers about 600 snaps of that, and a full-time role for Collins would be another 600. Re-signing a guy like Fletcher who's a core special teams player and can backup a few spots at LB makes sense. But the 4th LB doesn't play on defense unless someone is hurt.triniSox said:I get what you're saying but I think it's a fine move to add a LB. Spikes and Fletcher are leaving so depth is needed there.
Super Nomario said:I suspect you're right.
*If* the OTC figures are right (and if the Pats perceive some sort of dropoff in Mayo's play), it would make sense because there's a roster bonus that kicks in and it makes it harder to cut him after 2015. I think you're probably right though - the numbers are wrong, and they ain't cutting Mayo anyway.
They need depth, but there aren't enough snaps to go around. Spikes played 694 snaps last year; Fletcher 233. Mayo's return covers about 600 snaps of that, and a full-time role for Collins would be another 600. Re-signing a guy like Fletcher who's a core special teams player and can backup a few spots at LB makes sense. But the 4th LB doesn't play on defense unless someone is hurt.
Super Nomario said:I suspect you're right.
*If* the OTC figures are right (and if the Pats perceive some sort of dropoff in Mayo's play), it would make sense because there's a roster bonus that kicks in and it makes it harder to cut him after 2015. I think you're probably right though - the numbers are wrong, and they ain't cutting Mayo anyway.
I can't see cutting Mayo. His salaries for 2014 (3.25M) and 2015 (4.5M) are guaranteed against injury. He has future prorations of 7.2M that would be accelerated.
By my math, that's about $15 million that would hit the cap as dead money (assuming the injury guarantee applies).
My understanding is that Woodyard is also a special teams guy. I can't find his snap counts on special teams from last year easily but earlier on in his career, he was definitely a core special teams guy. I think Belichick is also still going to tinker with players at the hybrid safety-LB ("money") position. The way I see this move is an upgrade on Dane Fletcher by adding a slightly better player possibly with more versatility - I can't imagine him getting big money.Super Nomario said:They need depth, but there aren't enough snaps to go around. Spikes played 694 snaps last year; Fletcher 233. Mayo's return covers about 600 snaps of that, and a full-time role for Collins would be another 600. Re-signing a guy like Fletcher who's a core special teams player and can backup a few spots at LB makes sense. But the 4th LB doesn't play on defense unless someone is hurt.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
I've been saying for a while now that this move is nearly a no-brainer from a purely on-the-field standpoint unless he's willing to do a very team friendly restructure. I have no idea how much loyalty and Vince's presence in the locker room factor into the equation, but there is just no way that this team is eating a $11.6M cap hit for a 32-year-old DT coming off Achilles surgery, especially when Siliga probably gives you 90% or more of his production.
That makes sense, thanks. I could see him as an upgrade in the Fletcher role, but I had assumed he would get more money than that.triniSox said:My understanding is that Woodyard is also a special teams guy. I can't find his snap counts on special teams from last year easily but earlier on in his career, he was definitely a core special teams guy. I think Belichick is also still going to tinker with players at the hybrid safety-LB ("money") position. The way I see this move is an upgrade on Dane Fletcher by adding a slightly better player possibly with more versatility - I can't imagine him getting big money.
I found a link with some more details about him: http://espn.go.com/blog/denver-broncos/post/_/id/5442/free-agency-spotlight-wesley-woodyard
OTC has Mayo with $3.6 MM in dead money if he's cut this offseason, $6MM if he's cut after next year. OTC is probably wrong, but if it's real, it might make sense to cut him now because otherwise you have to wait two years.Ed Hillel said:Sorry, but can you expand on this? I see his roster bonus in 2014 at 187.5K. How does that make him more difficult to cut after 2015?
What kind of scheme change are you thinking of here?soxfan121 said:Unless they are looking at some sort of scheme change.
It's hard to imagine two LBs less similar than Hightower and Woodyard. WW wouldn't be a replacement for DHT; he'd be a statement that Belichick thinks the very idea of a run-stuffing MLB is dead.soxfan121 said:Or, if they've decided that Hightower is a bust and will need to be replaced alongside Mayo & Collins going forward. Lower likelihood, I admit, but a possibility.
Super Nomario said:What kind of scheme change are you thinking of here?
It's hard to imagine two LBs less similar than Hightower and Woodyard. WW wouldn't be a replacement for DHT; he'd be a statement that Belichick thinks the very idea of a run-stuffing MLB is dead.
Super Nomario said:In 2012 PFF had him as their #1 coverage 4-3 OLB. Not sure whether his dropoff this year is a real thing (he did shift from WLB to MLB; presumably he'd be a WLB with the Pats).
I don't understand why they need to add a LB here. They usually play a 4-2 on passing downs, and Mayo / Collins looks like a legit combo for those situations. Whoever was 4th LB barely played last year. Does this suggest Mayo is a potential surprise cut? He's a guy where overthecap.com and patscap.com disagree on how his contract is structured; if OTC is right, cutting him saves money and avoids a big roster bonus.
wutang112878 said:
I dont think its a no-brainer. We should remember that what we saw last year was probably affected by an achillies injury he was nursing before it eventually ruptured. Perhaps he doesnt have the same explosion next year, but if he could just be a 'take up 2 OL during run plays' player, thats pretty valuable. Certainly thats not $11.6M valuable for a 2 down guy like that, but its something you have to think long and hard about at the very least.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
I'm hoping that he is willing to do a team-friendly restructure. If the choices are really just keep him at $11.6 or cut him, then I do think its a very clear no brainer from an on-field perspective. Chalking his declining play up to the Achilles seems like wishful thinking when the guy is 32 and in his natural decline phase. And the Achilles rupture will not help - that's an injury from which guys often never recover fully.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
I'm hoping that he is willing to do a team-friendly restructure. If the choices are really just keep him at $11.6 or cut him, then I do think its a very clear no brainer from an on-field perspective. Chalking his declining play up to the Achilles seems like wishful thinking when the guy is 32 and in his natural decline phase. And the Achilles rupture will not help - that's an injury from which guys often never recover fully.
Mike Loyko @NEPD_Loyko 14m
Per @Rapsheet Andrew Hawkins is a fallback for the #Patriots if Julian Edelman declines offer.. Seems like NE/CLE both on the two
Good, because Twitter has crashed.E5 Yaz said:
RedOctober3829 said:Good, because Twitter has crashed.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 3m
Patriots and WR Julian Edelman were unable to reach a deal today and he will test the market.
soxfan121 said:
Is this some kind of Corsi/soxhop joke I'm not getting?
Spaulding Smails said:
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 3m
Patriots and WR Julian Edelman were unable to reach a deal today and he will test the market.
He is gone….Spaulding Smails said:
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 3m
Patriots and WR Julian Edelman were unable to reach a deal today and he will test the market.