Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 7m7 minutes ago
Hearing Tayshaun Prince to Detroit for Jerebko and Datome
Hearing Tayshaun Prince to Detroit for Jerebko and Datome
Boston moved Prince to a familiar location in exchange for three things: A free look at 27-year-old big man Jerebko, potential savings (the pair is earning $6.25 million combined) and a $7.7 million trade exception that was generated by absorbing the Pistons castoffs into older exceptions.
The guess here is that Boston absorbed Jerebko into the Brandan Wright $5 million exception and Datome into Austin Rivers' $2.4 million exception, which allows Boston to create a new exception for Prince's contract value...
Even with its recent moves, Boston likely still has a hefty $12.9 million trade exception from dealing Rajon Rondo to the Dallas Mavericks in December.
There's a hilariously long list of cap holds from players who are long gone that can be used to artificially keep them at the cap during the offseason. Between that, the holds for Bass and the other FA and draft picks, I believe they're covered as long as they aren't below when the season starts, and I would expect Ainge to get them to the cap to preserve those assets.Eddie Jurak said:They need to be at the cap (unlikely) or lose the exceptions, though, right? Seems like the exceptions are nearly worthless now.
Jed Zeppelin said:There's a hilariously long list of cap holds from players who are long gone that can be used to artificially keep them at the cap during the offseason. Between that, the holds for Bass and the other FA and draft picks, I believe they're covered as long as they aren't below when the season starts, and I would expect Ainge to get them to the cap to preserve those assets.
I would doubt this. None of the rules are particularly complex and most GMs know them back to front (the ones who don't have somebody on staff who does). I would chalk it up more to his tenure in the league and having better relationships than most GMs. He probably is more effective at figuring out what's going on and how to get in on it.tims4wins said:I am a total bandwagon Celts fan and have very litte understanding of the NBA with regard to salary cap, trade rules, etc., but it appears to me that Ainge is EXTREMELY knowledgeable about the rules and is using every bit if that to leverage as many possible assets as he can.
And worse than that, if playing for a team with championship aspirations was the number 1 priority this could have been easily accomplished. As soon as the trade to Celtics was completed, send your agent to the front office to inquire regarding the team's plans. Once you are told, the Celtics don't plan on keeping you, just ask to negotiate a buyout. In actuality it would be surprising if a negotiation wasn't started. I am sure Prince and/or agent overplayed their hand and Danny saved more by trading him. In other words, if he really wanted to determine the competitiveness of the team he would play for all he had to do was agree to get bought out for a lower amount and then sign a less than market deal with the best club that was interested. I can understand him not being happy, but it is no one's fault but his own. His #1 priority was the money and he is getting it. He like everyone else wanted both money and a championship --- well you don't always get everything you want.Rudy Pemberton said:The whole notion that NBA players should be allowed the right to be bought out to go play for a ring seems ridiculous to me; as if Tayshaun Prince is above playing for a mediocre team. It seems like all these players get their cake and to eat it too...to earn their full salary, and pick where they end out a season- even though they aren't a FA? C's had Prince's rights, they traded him. He may not like it, but he doesn't have a legitimate gripe against anyone. If he doesn't want to play for the Pistons, he can just refuse to report. Maybe they'll even pay him, a la Bogans.
By all accounts he did, and the Celtics told him that they wouldn't buy him out until after the deadline.In my lifetime said:And worse than that, if playing for a team with championship aspirations was the number 1 priority this could have been easily accomplished. As soon as the trade to Celtics was completed, send your agent to the front office to inquire regarding the team's plans. Once you are told, the Celtics don't plan on keeping you, just ask to negotiate a buyout. In actuality it would be surprising if a negotiation wasn't started. I am sure Prince and/or agent overplayed their hand and Danny saved more by trading him. In other words, if he really wanted to determine the competitiveness of the team he would play for all he had to do was agree to get bought out for a lower amount and then sign a less than market deal with the best club that was interested. I can understand him not being happy, but it is no one's fault but his own. His #1 priority was the money and he is getting it. He like everyone else wanted both money and a championship --- well you don't always get everything you want.
Yes, however my point is:Cellar-Door said:By all accounts he did, and the Celtics told him that they wouldn't buy him out until after the deadline.
It isn't clear that this is true, in fact I would guess that it isn't. One reason the Celtics held him was to keep him from the Clippers. I don't think that the small amount they might have saved was going to make a difference to them.I mean the numbers in buying out a deal with under 4m left are tiny on the scale of NBA budgets. I don't think there was any number he could have offered to make Danny buy him out. Just his salary as a potential match in a deal or to create a Trade exception was probably worth it.In my lifetime said:Yes, however my point is:
If he wanted to determine what team he would play, he could have accomplished this by taking a low buy out (Celtics would have bypassed the deadline if the buyout was inexpensive) and then signing with the best team that was interested in him. Of course, this would have required Prince to sacrifice some money. Prince tried to maximize the money and hence gave up leverage to find his own team. So to me he doesn't have any valid reason to be upset with either the Celtics or the Pistons.
Boston has gone out of their way to position themselves for draft night trades, that TPE has a lot more value for them than a paltry million that would depress the value of a secondary trade asset (the Clippers' pick). Boston was always going to do what was best for the long-term picture of the team, and when no contender was willing to make a positive acquisition (in hopes of getting him for free) Boston took the best deal available.In my lifetime said:Yes, however my point is:
If he wanted to determine what team he would play, he could have accomplished this by taking a low buy out (Celtics would have bypassed the deadline if the buyout was inexpensive) and then signing with the best team that was interested in him. Of course, this would have required Prince to sacrifice some money. Prince tried to maximize the money and hence gave up leverage to find his own team. So to me he doesn't have any valid reason to be upset with either the Celtics or the Pistons.
I doubt it matters to him at all since he didn't want to be in either place. He's pissed we didn't release him or trade him to a contender.the1andonly3003 said:it must really burn Tayshaun that the Pistons are now further from the playoffs than the Celtics are right now
Pistons were slightly in better shape to make playoffs than the Celts at the deadline I believemaufman said:TP started the season on a contender. Then he was traded to a rebuilding team, and he responded by rejuvenating his game and contributing (albeit in a small way) to the run of relative success we've enjoyed lately. His reward for that was a trade to one of the league's worst teams in a cap-driven move. All's fair, but I would think less of him if he wasn't pissed at how things have played out.
Put another way, TP isn't thanking his lucky stars for his SSS shooting luck in Boston; he's thinking he found his groove again and can help a good team -- which is went into the season expecting to do. Which is too bad, because he should be embracing the trade to DET as an opportunity to finish his career where it began, but like most players, the game is going to be finished with him before he's finished with the game.