Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 7m7 minutes ago
Hearing Tayshaun Prince to Detroit for Jerebko and Datome
Hearing Tayshaun Prince to Detroit for Jerebko and Datome
Tayshaun Prince traded to Detroit
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They need to be at the cap (unlikely) or lose the exceptions, though, right? Seems like the exceptions are nearly worthless now.
There's a hilariously long list of cap holds from players who are long gone that can be used to artificially keep them at the cap during the offseason. Between that, the holds for Bass and the other FA and draft picks, I believe they're covered as long as they aren't below when the season starts, and I would expect Ainge to get them to the cap to preserve those assets.Eddie Jurak said:
Yup. You can sign potentially worthwhile assets with that cap space to contracts higher than they'd get elsewhere (but not too high to trade them, especially with the cap spike after the new TV deal). They're not necessarily big-ticket assets, but they can help you pick up ancillary picks, facilitate three-team trades, so on and so forth.
I am a total bandwagon Celts fan and have very litte understanding of the NBA with regard to salary cap, trade rules, etc., but it appears to me that Ainge is EXTREMELY knowledgeable about the rules and is using every bit if that to leverage as many possible assets as he can. The Celts may not get lucky with the ping pong balls and therefore may not build a championship team for a while but as a somewhat detached observer it is hard not to have complete faith in Trader Danny. To me he is only ever so slightly below "in BB I trust" on the Boston sports GM rankings, including Theo.
Jed Zeppelin said:
Yes, there are approximately $22.7mm in cap holds for players no longer in the NBA, plus another $23.3mm or so in anticipated cap holds for Bass ($10.35mm), Jerebko ($8.55mm), Datome ($2.27mm), Crowder ($1.18mm) and Randolph ($0.95mm). The former cap holds remain until renounced; the latter cap holds go away when the players are re-signed or sign with another team.
On day 1 of the 2015-16 NBA year, the Celtics' current 2015-16 guaranteed salaries ($39.54mm, 9 players), plus the cap holds, will exceed the salary cap and therefore will be sufficient to retain the trade exceptions. The 2014-15 salary cap is $63.065mm.
There are two trade exceptions of real value - Rondo's ($12.9mm, expires 12/18/15) and Prince's ($7.7mm, expires 2/19/16). The next highest trade exceptions are $1.33mm (one for Humphries, expiring 7/19/15, and the other for Thornton, expiring 2/19/16). All of the other trade exceptions are less than $1mm and are basically unusable. The Celtics will also have Wallace's $10.1mm expiring contract and all of its draft picks to use as trade bait.
I would doubt this. None of the rules are particularly complex and most GMs know them back to front (the ones who don't have somebody on staff who does). I would chalk it up more to his tenure in the league and having better relationships than most GMs. He probably is more effective at figuring out what's going on and how to get in on it.tims4wins said:
The primary value of the TPEs comes on draft when Boston can use them to absorb deals without having to return anything. In theory Philly can do this too, but by now everyone knows that they'll only be chasing after crappy players that come attached to draft picks. Boston will be actively chasing good players using the TPEs.
Tayshaun doesnt seem too happy about this:
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/02/21/stan-van-gundy-tayshaun-prince-detroit-pistons/23800681/
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/02/21/stan-van-gundy-tayshaun-prince-detroit-pistons/23800681/
And worse than that, if playing for a team with championship aspirations was the number 1 priority this could have been easily accomplished. As soon as the trade to Celtics was completed, send your agent to the front office to inquire regarding the team's plans. Once you are told, the Celtics don't plan on keeping you, just ask to negotiate a buyout. In actuality it would be surprising if a negotiation wasn't started. I am sure Prince and/or agent overplayed their hand and Danny saved more by trading him. In other words, if he really wanted to determine the competitiveness of the team he would play for all he had to do was agree to get bought out for a lower amount and then sign a less than market deal with the best club that was interested. I can understand him not being happy, but it is no one's fault but his own. His #1 priority was the money and he is getting it. He like everyone else wanted both money and a championship --- well you don't always get everything you want.Rudy Pemberton said:
That's what they did, but Boston wasn't willing to pay Tayshaun to play for the Clippers. And you want to know something? Fuck the Clippers, we have their #1 and they can go pound sand. The Celtics very reasonably assured Prince that they'd buy him out if no trade materialised, only a trade materialised. And that $7.7 million TPE matters to Boston and Bill Duffy owes them after all the favours they've done him.
By all accounts he did, and the Celtics told him that they wouldn't buy him out until after the deadline.In my lifetime said:
Yes, however my point is:Cellar-Door said:
If he wanted to determine what team he would play, he could have accomplished this by taking a low buy out (Celtics would have bypassed the deadline if the buyout was inexpensive) and then signing with the best team that was interested in him. Of course, this would have required Prince to sacrifice some money. Prince tried to maximize the money and hence gave up leverage to find his own team. So to me he doesn't have any valid reason to be upset with either the Celtics or the Pistons.
It isn't clear that this is true, in fact I would guess that it isn't. One reason the Celtics held him was to keep him from the Clippers. I don't think that the small amount they might have saved was going to make a difference to them.I mean the numbers in buying out a deal with under 4m left are tiny on the scale of NBA budgets. I don't think there was any number he could have offered to make Danny buy him out. Just his salary as a potential match in a deal or to create a Trade exception was probably worth it.In my lifetime said:
Boston has gone out of their way to position themselves for draft night trades, that TPE has a lot more value for them than a paltry million that would depress the value of a secondary trade asset (the Clippers' pick). Boston was always going to do what was best for the long-term picture of the team, and when no contender was willing to make a positive acquisition (in hopes of getting him for free) Boston took the best deal available.In my lifetime said:
it must really burn Tayshaun that the Pistons are now further from the playoffs than the Celtics are right now
I doubt it matters to him at all since he didn't want to be in either place. He's pissed we didn't release him or trade him to a contender.the1andonly3003 said:
TP started the season on a contender. Then he was traded to a rebuilding team, and he responded by rejuvenating his game and contributing (albeit in a small way) to the run of relative success we've enjoyed lately. His reward for that was a trade to one of the league's worst teams in a cap-driven move. All's fair, but I would think less of him if he wasn't pissed at how things have played out.
Put another way, TP isn't thanking his lucky stars for his SSS shooting luck in Boston; he's thinking he found his groove again and can help a good team -- which is went into the season expecting to do. Which is too bad, because he should be embracing the trade to DET as an opportunity to finish his career where it began, but like most players, the game is going to be finished with him before he's finished with the game.
Put another way, TP isn't thanking his lucky stars for his SSS shooting luck in Boston; he's thinking he found his groove again and can help a good team -- which is went into the season expecting to do. Which is too bad, because he should be embracing the trade to DET as an opportunity to finish his career where it began, but like most players, the game is going to be finished with him before he's finished with the game.
Pistons were slightly in better shape to make playoffs than the Celts at the deadline I believemaufman said:
So what is a fair price for Jonas Jerebko's services?
I feel like he's Jeff Green's bottom line, wrapped in a package with far lower expectations. Effective at switching onto guards for a guy who is nominally a big, closes out 3s very well, generally useful team defender, and has been one of our best defensive players overall. Not a rebounder. On offense he has a plus 3-point shot for a big man, and is good for the occasional sweeping drive to the rim. 2015 will be his age 28 season.
This isn't meant to be a question of whether or not we should resign him, or whether it makes philosophical sense to sign role players. Just a pure "what is he worth out there"?
I feel like he's Jeff Green's bottom line, wrapped in a package with far lower expectations. Effective at switching onto guards for a guy who is nominally a big, closes out 3s very well, generally useful team defender, and has been one of our best defensive players overall. Not a rebounder. On offense he has a plus 3-point shot for a big man, and is good for the occasional sweeping drive to the rim. 2015 will be his age 28 season.
This isn't meant to be a question of whether or not we should resign him, or whether it makes philosophical sense to sign role players. Just a pure "what is he worth out there"?