Stephen Drew traded to Yankees for Kelly Johnson

[EvilEmpire]

It's not like there is that much of a rivalry when both teams suck anyway.

 

[StuckOnYouk]

 
Well, we don't know yet how much value the Yankees will get out of Drew this year.  But we know how much the Sox got.  With the added bonus of screwing with their young SS of the future.
 
Enjoy Kelly Johnson.  Just don't put him at 1B.

 
You completely missed my point. That's par for the course though as you just buzz in and out of threads trying to prod Sox fans as your own team is treading water. Nice job.

 

[Plympton91]

There is no benefit, unless ownership comes out and says we saved $10MM by dealing these players at the end of 2014 and we plan on using that money to go over the salary cap by exactly that amount next year.  
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There are two Cuban free agents out there current for whom the bidding will start soon.  Given how aggressive the Red Sox were in the draft and in the international signing period, I have a feeling that money will be getting put to good use in the bidding for those players.   Doesn't mean the Red Sox will be able to win that bidding, but this may allow them to extend their offer further than previously, which helps.
 
 

 
Well, we don't know yet how much value the Yankees will get out of Drew this year.  But we know how much the Sox got.  With the added bonus of screwing with their young SS of the future.
 

 
How did signing Stephen Drew affect the development of Deven Marrero?

 

[EvilEmpire]

 
How did signing Stephen Drew affect the development of Deven Marrero?

 
Good point.

 

[benhogan]

 
HAVE
 
Should HAVE
 
"Should of" is not a thing that means anything in this language.
 
Also you're wrong. If you don't understand why a business wants to save four million dollars while getting the same results, well, there's just nothing to go on. 
 
Not understanding why the organization wants to save millions of dollars is like not understanding why you don't want to smear some icy hot on some rough grit sandpaper and fondle your balls with it.

Indeed, you are 100% correct.  Thanks

 

[Average Reds]

Sorry I had not read this post, but this exactly SPOT ON.
 
2014 is a sunk cost, we stayed under the salary cap so no problem with that for 2015.
 
There is no benefit, unless ownership comes out and says we saved $10MM by dealing these players at the end of 2014 and we plan on using that money to go over the salary cap by exactly that amount next year.  
 
I've heard the ownership loud and clear, we will not get caught up in long term contracts for older players and thats fine/smart.  I'm all for that, but when we go in SELL mode we need to re-invest the savings the following season.  Otherwise we are just lining the pockets of ownership. 

You do realize that ownership is not as disinterested in the bottom line as you are, right? And that unpaid salary is not a sunk cost?

Let's take the most cynical view: they opportunistically traded a useless part for another useless part and saved a bundle in the process. How is that difficult to understand?

 

[Detts]

Kelly Johnson lmao.
 
This is like a couple of rich kids trading a piece of dog poop for a rusted can opener.

 
 

 
Your post is nonsense, wrapped in WTF, surrounded by fail.

 
 

I'm glad Ben Hogan was a hell of a golfer, because if he had gone into baseball as a GM he would have not done well.

 
 

 
Not understanding why the organization wants to save millions of dollars is like not understanding why you don't want to smear some icy hot on some rough grit sandpaper and fondle your balls with it.

 
This thread has been comedy gold.

 

[Nomo's NoNo]

I don't understand.
Why do anything to help the Yankees?
Even if it saves you 5 million dollars?
Why?

Spot on!  No business should give a flying crap about something as paltry as a mere 5 million dollars.

 

[rundugrun]

 
HAVE
 
Should HAVE
 
"Should of" is not a thing that means anything in this language.
 
Also you're wrong. If you don't understand why a business wants to save four million dollars while getting the same results, well, there's just nothing to go on. 
 
Not understanding why the organization wants to save millions of dollars is like not understanding why you don't want to smear some icy hot on some rough grit sandpaper and fondle your balls with it.

This is a great retort. Anything that frees up cash for the FO to spend in elsewhere is fine with me.

 

[cromulence]

 
You completely missed my point. That's par for the course though as you just buzz in and out of threads trying to prod Sox fans as your own team is treading water. Nice job.

 
Please. EE has been more than fair with his points and just said himself that the Yankees suck, so it's not like he's gloating or anything. Or were you looking for a critical analysis of your "LOL Cashman sucks, the Yankees spend a lot!" post? 

 

[benhogan]

You do realize that ownership is not as disinterested in the bottom line as you are, right? And that unpaid salary is not a sunk cost?

Let's take the most cynical view: they opportunistically traded a useless part for another useless part and saved a bundle in the process. How is that difficult to understand?

Yes ownership is interested in the bottom line.
 
One of the comparative advantages the Red Sox have is their revenue/big market status. They should use that advantage in every deal. Since they are not over the cap I'd rather have them subsidize the contracts in deals and get the best possible players in return. 
 
When dealing Jake Peavy they picked up $2.5MM of his salary and we received a nice haul, great job. When dealing Lackey they picked up some of his salary and they netted more talent.  Cherington stated in the presser that Andrew Miller received the most attention because he is very good and CHEAP and they garnered a nice prospect.  Paying for players 2014 comp, making them CHEAP and dealing them is a good way to strip teams of some of their talent.
 
Paying for some of Drew's salary could have netted us more then Kelly Johnson, several contenders needed and dealt for middle infield help yesterday.  
 
Plus I don't want to see Drew on the Yankees. I still believe Drew is a good player, could help them make the playoffs this year, and could thrive in Yankee Stadium. In addition the Yanks get a to see if he is their SS of the future.
 
Its really a small quibble, the front office made some bold, shrewd moves yesterday and they did well on all of them except for the Drew deal in my opinion.  

 

[MakMan44]

If teams were more interested in Drew yesterday (and this includes the Sox picking up his salary), a better deal would have been made. 
 
It's been thrown around here, several times, that Drew could have been an August waiver deal and that's true. I'm inclined, since the FO decided to ship him to save cash instead of waiting, to give Ben the benefit of the doubt and suggest he has some idea of what he wants to use that money for. 
 
Ignoring that for a second, I can't believe some people are still so anti-Yankees that they're mad that this helps them in some slight insignificant way. Drew isn't helping them win the WS, he just isn't. 

 

[DJnVa]

 
Paying for some of Drew's salary could have netted us more then Kelly Johnson, several contenders needed and dealt for middle infield help yesterday
 

 
How can you be sure? Cherington said that the Drew thing came together late. It's possible that every single offer was basically "We'll take Drew, you pay X" and the Yankees were simply the team that offered to pay the most. There weren't even any rumors of a Drew deal until it happened.

 

[Minneapolis Millers]

6 pages devoted to this thread, and I'm adding to it.  Bizarre. 
 
This deal was as simple as this: The Sox decided they didn't want to play Drew, and they didn't want to pay Drew.  So they traded Drew.  To the Yankees.  If that somehow miraculously pushes NY into the playoffs, well, then chalk it up to strange sh!t happens.

 

[DavidTai]

If teams were more interested in Drew yesterday (and this includes the Sox picking up his salary), a better deal would have been made. 
 
It's been thrown around here, several times, that Drew could have been an August waiver deal and that's true. I'm inclined, since the FO decided to ship him to save cash instead of waiting, to give Ben the benefit of the doubt and suggest he has some idea of what he wants to use that money for. 
 
Ignoring that for a second, I can't believe some people are still so anti-Yankees that they're mad that this helps them in some slight insignificant way. Drew isn't helping them win the WS, he just isn't. 

 
Well, really, there are two ways I can think of to explain what they could do with he money at this poi: they're going for Rusney Castillo, or they're sitting on it planning to use it to buy up international free agents of one sort or the other (thinking - is there anyone from Japan who might be put up for bid this year? Kenta Maeda?)

 

[Average Reds]

Yes ownership is interested in the bottom line.
 
One of the comparative advantages the Red Sox have is their revenue/big market status. They should use that advantage in every deal. Since they are not over the cap I'd rather have them subsidize the contracts in deals and get the best possible players in return. 
 
When dealing Jake Peavy they picked up $2.5MM of his salary and we received a nice haul, great job. When dealing Lackey they picked up some of his salary and they netted more talent.  Cherington stated in the presser that Andrew Miller received the most attention because he is very good and CHEAP and they garnered a nice prospect.  Paying for players 2014 comp, making them CHEAP and dealing them is a good way to strip teams of some of their talent.
 
Paying for some of Drew's salary could have netted us more then Kelly Johnson, several contenders needed and dealt for middle infield help yesterday.  
 
Plus I don't want to see Drew on the Yankees. I still believe Drew is a good player, could help them make the playoffs this year, and could thrive in Yankee Stadium. In addition the Yanks get a to see if he is their SS of the future.
 
Its really a small quibble, the front office made some bold, shrewd moves yesterday and they did well on all of them except for the Drew deal in my opinion.  

 
Could not disagree with this more.
 
Yes, the Red Sox have a payroll advantage against most (not all) teams.  We fans expect them to leverage that advantage when building the team and for the most part, I think they do.  However, to insist that every deal be a reflection of that financial advantage is preposterous.  Not all situations require it.  And not all situations allow the Sox to use their financial leverage.
 
You say that paying more of Drew's salary could have netted a better return than Kelly Johnson.  My response is "show your work."  Because I don't believe this.  The Drew move was addition by subtraction.  Or, put more bluntly, it was an admission that their previous use of financial leverage (signing Drew) was a mistake and so they unwound it by dealing for a fungible player who they will likely DFA. 
 
As far as not wanting to see Drew in Yankee Stadium, you need to explain how they could have prevented it.  He's a perfect candidate to replace Jeter and nothing could have stopped the Yankees from signing him in the offseason, because the Sox sure weren't going to. 

 

[Plympton91]

They're also only going to pay as much of the salary as they think the prospects are worth. It doesn't make sense to pay $5 million in salary to acquire a prospect with an expected value of $2 million.