He only started throwing last week.Even if he's just a reliever, his track record seems like he should be getting more than 600K + incentives. Something I'm not seeing?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mchugco01.shtml
He only started throwing last week.Even if he's just a reliever, his track record seems like he should be getting more than 600K + incentives. Something I'm not seeing?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mchugco01.shtml
I would assume that teams are being cautious around his off-season elbow procedure (not TJ).Even if he's just a reliever, his track record seems like he should be getting more than 600K + incentives. Something I'm not seeing?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mchugco01.shtml
I just browsed over the thread again real quickly and maybe I missed it, but do you have a link to the performance bonuses?He can also earn up to $4.25 million - there's $3 million of performance bonuses & $650k in roster bonuses.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/03/red-sox-sign-collin-mchugh.htmlI just browsed over the thread again real quickly and maybe I missed it, but do you have a link to the performance bonuses?
I just browsed over the thread again real quickly and maybe I missed it, but do you have a link to the performance bonuses?
Yeah, sorry. I was going to source it, but all the sources I saw looked ugly.
McHugh would get $100,000 each for 15, 30, 45 and 60 days on active major league roster and $250,000 for 90 days. He would earn $250,000 apiece for 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 70, 80, 90, 100, 110 and 115 Innings
So assuming he's healthy all year and in a MR role: at 70 ip, he'd make $3 million. At 80, 3.25. People are smart enough to do the rest. Most of the bonuses seem easily achievable as long as he's healthy, regardless of role. The bonuses at 90-115 innings probably requires a few starts.Yeah, sorry. I was going to source it, but all the sources I saw looked ugly.
Here's some more detailed info:
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/sports/red-sox/collin-mchugh-joins-pitching-needy-boston-red-sox/2086313/
Or being the long man following the opener. A couple 3-4 inning stints a week would add up quickly, and might be the ideal role for a guy with a starter's pedigree coming off elbow surgery.So assuming he's healthy all year and in a MR role: at 70 ip, he'd make $3 million. At 80, 3.25. People are smart enough to do the rest. Most of the bonuses seem easily achievable as long as he's healthy, regardless of role. The bonuses at 90-115 innings probably requires a few starts.
If he makes $2.5 million or more this this year, he was probably a huge bargain. Anything less than that and it gets iffy but if he cost $1.5 million for 30 ineffective innings, so what?Or being the long man following the opener. A couple 3-4 inning stints a week would add up quickly, and might be the ideal role for a guy with a starter's pedigree coming off elbow surgery.
Technically "human nature" is two words.Is there a word for “retroactively depressing”?
According to Rotoworld he was waiting for a guaranteed major league contract, this is the first offer he got.Yes, this seems like a small victory for Chaim; there must have been at least a dozen other teams dangling something similar or better, and it's not like we are the number one destination for a playoff ticket. Would love to hear the behind the scenes on this one. Simply put, a fantastic signing.
He was bad last year and turns 33 in June. There’s a decent chance he’s cooked, even apart from the near-term injury issue.Even if he's just a reliever, his track record seems like he should be getting more than 600K + incentives. Something I'm not seeing?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mchugco01.shtml
He pitched in 35 games, 8 as a starter, last year.He was bad last year and turns 33 in June. There’s a decent chance he’s cooked, even apart from the near-term injury issue.
Undoubtedly bad games count as you say, but I'm encouraged by these numbers. Given the role that McHugh is seemingly going to play, his primary goal will be to keep games winnable. If that's the case, being damn good 90% of the time and then punting the other games, well, that's not bad at all. Once you start giving up 1.5 runs an inning, what's the difference between that and 3? Meaning if that day you're going to stink, then really stink If McHugh comes in after the opener 9 times out of 10 and gets through 3-4 innings giving up a run each time, I'd say that's very valuable. If 3 times this season he implodes and we're suddenly down 10-2 after the 4th, oh well.He pitched in 35 games, 8 as a starter, last year.
In his 8 starts, he had two terrible outings - combined line: 6.1 ip, 15 h, 18 r, 17 er, 4 bb, 4 k
In his 27 relief appearances, he had one terrible outing: 1.0 ip, 3 h, 4 r, 4 er, 1 bb, 2 k
So out of 35 games, he had *three* terrible outings - combined line: 7.1 ip, 18 h, 22 r, 21 er, 5 bb, 6 k (25.78 era, 3.14 whip, 7.4 k/9)
In the other 32 games, he was good - combined line: 67.1 ip, 44 h, 23 r, 21 er, 25 bb, 76 k (2.81 era, 0.97 whip, 10.2 k/9)
Obviously the bad games count, but having three bad outings out of 35 that REALLY skewed his overall numbers doesn't scream "cooked" to me. It's not like he was consistently struggling to get people out. Other than the three bad outings, he was pretty damned good all season long.
He was bad last year and turns 33 in June. There’s a decent chance he’s cooked.Even if he's just a reliever, his track record seems like he should be getting more than 600K + incentives. Something I'm not seeing?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mchugco01.shtml
I agree, which isHe pitched in 35 games, 8 as a starter, last year.
In his 8 starts, he had two terrible outings - combined line: 6.1 ip, 15 h, 18 r, 17 er, 4 bb, 4 k
In his 27 relief appearances, he had one terrible outing: 1.0 ip, 3 h, 4 r, 4 er, 1 bb, 2 k
So out of 35 games, he had *three* terrible outings - combined line: 7.1 ip, 18 h, 22 r, 21 er, 5 bb, 6 k (25.78 era, 3.14 whip, 7.4 k/9)
In the other 32 games, he was good - combined line: 67.1 ip, 44 h, 23 r, 21 er, 25 bb, 76 k (2.81 era, 0.97 whip, 10.2 k/9)
Obviously the bad games count, but having three bad outings out of 35 that REALLY skewed his overall numbers doesn't scream "cooked" to me. It's not like he was consistently struggling to get people out. Other than the three bad outings, he was pretty damned good all season long.
Welcome aboard! Hope this is the first of many quality posts.I'm intrigued by the signing so I looked up his pitch makeup.
McHugh is mostly a slider / four-seam pitcher, with a great slider. This is his out pitch. In 2019, he threw it 43% of the time but 56% of the time when he has two strikes on batters. For the Quality of Pitch Average with a minimum of 500 sliders, it ranked 38th, just a tick above old friend, Rick Porcello, and below Adam Ottavino.
The four-seamer sits around 91, with no real swing and miss to it. He throws it more on the first pitch to lefties than to righties, and it gets slugged overall at a .556 clip. So, not great.
He threw his cutter 13% of the time last year and his curveball 9% of the time. However, between the two his cutter had a .144 better differential in BAA and .201 in SLG. Also, remarkably the curve had a .625 BABIP.
As a side note, this is my first time posting. Been reading since at least '03, pre championships and Billy Beane in the movies. Happy to be on board from Austin, TX.
It also seems possible that the pretty drastic ramping up of his slider -- he only started using it in 2017 according to Pitch Info*, and his usage of it has jumped from 17 to 43 percent over three years -- may have something to do with his elbow woes. If so, perhaps the Sox' braintrust can help him find a way to rely on it less.If McHugh needs to throw the slider 43% of the time to be effective, I think we can lay to rest any notion that he’s going to go back to starting. (Unless “starting” means getting the first six outs in a bullpen game.)
Off season procedure on his elbow (non surgical). Just recently started throwing, which is the only reason he was available this time of year. Best case scenario he is a few weeks behind the others.Fangraphs roster resource is projecting him to start the season injured? Just a weird data entry mistake or has there been word of a current injury?
https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/opening-day-tracker/red-sox
He was bad last year and turns 33 in June. There’s a decent chance he’s cooked.
I’m still glad we got him, but I understand
I agree, which is
Welcome aboard! Hope this is the first of many quality posts.
If McHugh needs to throw the slider 43% of the time to be effective, I think we can lay to rest any notion that he’s going to go back to starting. (Unless “starting” means getting the first six outs in a bullpen game.)
So I guess if he's going to throw a lot of something, that's the one?Sliders have been the most effective pitch on a per-pitch basis nearly every year since we’ve calculated pitch values. The implication is clear — cut fastballs, add sliders, profit.
But just to reiterate: that 2015 slider is not the same pitch as his current slider. It's much more like his current cutter, and Pitch Info says it's been a cutter all along. The 2015 "slider" was an 88 mph pitch with 2 inches of glove-side break and +4 inches of vertical break. The 2019 slider is an 80 mph pitch with 10 inches of glove-side break and -1 inches of vertical break.In McHugh's 2015 season where he threw over 200 innings he threw 39% sliders.
Oh, interesting - did other teams not think to lay down something incentive laden? Maybe Tenex surgery is sketchy? I tried researching it but couldn't find much.According to Rotoworld he was waiting for a guaranteed major league contract, this is the first offer he got.
https://www.rotoworld.com/baseball/mlb/player/19754/collin-mchugh
Look for Tenex Procedure. Duckduckgo.com is a better search engine (sometimes) than google.Oh, interesting - did other teams not think to lay down something incentive laden? Maybe Tenex surgery is sketchy? I tried researching it but couldn't find much.
The 32-year-old righthander hasn’t pitched off a mound in six months because of elbow pain related to a flexor tendon strain.
McHugh had a procedure in December that used high frequency vibrations to loosen scar tissue on the tendon.
“It seems to be going really well. We’re still in the rehab process,” he said Friday.
McHugh hopes to start throwing soon but acknowledged there’s no timetable for when he could pitch in a major league game. It clearly won’t be any time soon.
“They’re getting to know me,” McHugh said. “I think we’ll have a better idea moving forward in a couple of weeks in figuring exactly what the road ahead looks like for me.”
It's weird that this is saying you quoted me (or someone with a username like mine)He was bad last year and turns 33 in June. There’s a decent chance he’s cooked.
I’m still glad we got him, but I understand
I agree, which is
Welcome aboard! Hope this is the first of many quality posts.
If McHugh needs to throw the slider 43% of the time to be effective, I think we can lay to rest any notion that he’s going to go back to starting. (Unless “starting” means getting the first six outs in a bullpen game.)
It was a lurker with a similar name, we got him to change his name to avoid this confusion (he is now 'channel 38' and a member). OK!It's weird that this is saying you quoted me (or someone with a username like mine)
Thanks, he messaged me privately. It's a shame though, he was clearly making better points than I was - now I have to rely on my own brain to appear smart.It was a lurker with a similar name, we got him to change his name to avoid this confusion (he is now 'channel 38' and a member). OK!