Sons of Peter McNeeley- Boxing Thread

[ElUno20]

Right on cue, I'm reading it's a compromised 52-48 split.

On to things to matter, this fight on Saturday will be great. I cannot wait. If you head over to hbo.com/boxing they have a 90 second video of Shane talking about the fight. I like his chances in the fight because 1) he's a way smarter (being a veteran) fighter than Cotto 2) I've yet to see his will broken. I know a lot people are on both sides of this but I had Cotto/Margarito pretty close at the time of the stoppage. Cotto could have won that fight if he wasn't stupid enough to continue to trade and not stick with the hitting and moving that won him the earlier rounds. I don't think Shane will make the same mistake.

If he pulls this off, will this be Shane's best win? Because of his age and who he is fighting I would put it up there. Just like I'd put Bhop's win over Pavlik near the top of his resume.

 

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

Right on cue, I'm reading it's a compromised 52-48 split.

On to things to matter, this fight on Saturday will be great. I cannot wait. If you head over to hbo.com/boxing they have a 90 second video of Shane talking about the fight. I like his chances in the fight because 1) he's a way smarter (being a veteran) fighter than Cotto 2) I've yet to see his will broken. I know a lot people are on both sides of this but I had Cotto/Margarito pretty close at the time of the stoppage. Cotto could have won that fight if he wasn't stupid enough to continue to trade and not stick with the hitting and moving that won him the earlier rounds. I don't think Shane will make the same mistake.

If he pulls this off, will this be Shane's best win? Because of his age and who he is fighting I would put it up there. Just like I'd put Bhop's win over Pavlik near the top of his resume.

If Shane pulls this off, it would be clearly his best win. Definitely up there with Hopkins -Pavlik and maybe just a notch below Foreman-Moorer. Margarito is an absolute terror at the peak of his game. Shane is pushing 40, on the down side of the hill if not completely over it. And not incidentally, I think winning this fight would go a long way toward erasing the taint of BALCO that's now clouding Shane's earlier career. For that reason alone, this would be his greatest win. I really don't see it happening, but I'm rooting for him!

 

[BGrif21125]

I don't like Shane's chances at all tomorrow night, although it should be entertaining.

Almost no fighters below 160 pounds manage to stay effective into their mid/late 30s. Shane stays in great shape, but at some point, he's going to get old overnight. I thought I saw some major signs of that in his last fight against Mayorga. He looked terrible IMO for the first several rounds. He dominated the latter part of the fight, but Mayorga is obviously not Margarito.

Also, the style matchup is not a good one. Mosley's best chance (or anyone's best chance against Margarito, for that matter) is to outbox him, but that's just not Mosley's style. He's been mislabeled as a boxer many times because he had a big amateur background and has fast hands, but he's really a brawler at heart who goes toe-to-toe with power punches. And I don't see how he wins a toe-to-toe fight against an opponent who is taller, bigger, stronger, younger, and has a higher workrate.

The one X-factor here is Margarito's state of mind/preparation. One thing that I always find interesting.... is when you have a guy whose whole career has been about being overlooked and avoided, how will he deal with success when he finally gets it? Margarito has fought like a hungry fighter his whole career because no one gave his due, no one wanted to fight him, no one would give him his payday, etc. Now he's fought and won the biggest fight of his life against Cotto, and for the last 6 months everyone has been telling him how great he is, and you see Margarito sitting in the front row at all the big Vegas fights, getting his face shown on the big screen, etc. He's no longer the overlooked guy. He's looked at as a star. It's a lot harder to stay at the top than it is to get there. I think back to Vernon Forrest, who was always underrated/avoided. When he got his big shot and beat Mosley, everyone assumed Forrest had finally arrived and that he would be a force for the near future. Then he showed up to his next fight completely unfocused and overconfident, and Mayorga knocked him flat on his back. An overconfident/less hungry Margarito is the one thing that could give Mosley a real chance at winning.

 

[bsj]

Anyone watching this?

Mosley up 3 rounds to 0...looking strong so far..

 

[shawnrbu]

Mosley is making Margarito look impotent. This is very disappointing to me. Too many of the old guys are winning these big fights and making the young guys look really bad in the process. I was hoping to see Tony shine tonight.

 

[Mr Weebles]

I'm watching. Mosley looks fantastic.

Margarito's in trouble if he's behind after 6. He's gonna have a bitch of a time knocking Mosley out.

 

[bsj]

Im the opposite...never a Mosley fan...but pulling for him tonight

 

[bsj]

I got news for you...Mosley may drop this guy in round 7. Wow.

 

[bsj]

ok...maybe not...

I still think mosley won that round...

7-0...but that was closer

 

[shawnrbu]

Margarito is punch drunk.

 

[Mr Weebles]

I got news for you...Mosley may drop this guy in round 7. Wow.

You were off by a round, but HOLY SHIT.

Mosley is taking him apart.

 

[bsj]

WOW!

 

[bsj]

He's done

 

[Mr Weebles]

KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT!

 

[Mr Weebles]

I don't like Shane's chances at all tomorrow night, although it should be entertaining.

Almost no fighters below 160 pounds manage to stay effective into their mid/late 30s. Shane stays in great shape, but at some point, he's going to get old overnight. I thought I saw some major signs of that in his last fight against Mayorga. He looked terrible IMO for the first several rounds. He dominated the latter part of the fight, but Mayorga is obviously not Margarito.

Also, the style matchup is not a good one. Mosley's best chance (or anyone's best chance against Margarito, for that matter) is to outbox him, but that's just not Mosley's style. He's been mislabeled as a boxer many times because he had a big amateur background and has fast hands, but he's really a brawler at heart who goes toe-to-toe with power punches. And I don't see how he wins a toe-to-toe fight against an opponent who is taller, bigger, stronger, younger, and has a higher workrate.

The one X-factor here is Margarito's state of mind/preparation. One thing that I always find interesting.... is when you have a guy whose whole career has been about being overlooked and avoided, how will he deal with success when he finally gets it? Margarito has fought like a hungry fighter his whole career because no one gave his due, no one wanted to fight him, no one would give him his payday, etc. Now he's fought and won the biggest fight of his life against Cotto, and for the last 6 months everyone has been telling him how great he is, and you see Margarito sitting in the front row at all the big Vegas fights, getting his face shown on the big screen, etc. He's no longer the overlooked guy. He's looked at as a star. It's a lot harder to stay at the top than it is to get there. I think back to Vernon Forrest, who was always underrated/avoided. When he got his big shot and beat Mosley, everyone assumed Forrest had finally arrived and that he would be a force for the near future. Then he showed up to his next fight completely unfocused and overconfident, and Mayorga knocked him flat on his back. An overconfident/less hungry Margarito is the one thing that could give Mosley a real chance at winning.

Care to rethink this?

 

[bsj]

UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE

I havent seen as dominating a performancei in a LOOONG time

 

[Mr Weebles]

The slo-mo replay of the ending was awesome in HD.

Blood was flying.

 

[bsj]

The slo-mo replay of the ending was awesome in HD.

Blood was flying.

The amazing thing is that from the time the ref committed to stepping in to the time he actually got between the fighters, Mosely landed 3 more FLUSH HARD SHOTS

 

[CrouchingTonyHiddenPena]

HO.........LY..........SHIT!!!!!!!!!!

I've never been a Shane fan either, but I was pulling for him tonight as well. That was by far the most technically sound fight he's EVER put forth. He stuck to a fucking picture-perfect blueprint molded for taking Margarito down, and executed it without one ounce of error. "Domination" is about right. What a fucking fight.

Side Note: When Margarito couldn't walk straight to the ref at the end of the 8th, it should have been ended. It looked as though Caiz gave Tony a little benefit of the doubt there knowing the bell would save him for a breather...only to cost him another half round of being brutally beaten. This should have ended at the end of the 8th IMVHO.

EDIT: Nazim Richardson is gonna be a very sought after and rich man from this point on.

 

[bosoxx05]

Wow, what a performance by Mosely.

For the boxing guys here, how common is it for boxers to try and gain an illegal advantage like Margarito did tonight? Have only recently started follow boxing and have no idea if it's commonplace in the sport.

 

[allaboutthesox]

Hard to see Margarito vs Cotto rematch happening any time soon after this performance by Margarito. I am a die hard Cotto fan, but there would not be a big PPV buy for a Margarito rematch at this point. Assuming Cotto beats Williams on February 21, I would only assume one may see a Mosley vs Cotto rematch mid summer early fall. Mosley lost to Cotto in a good fight and if Cotto were to win both boxers (Cotto and Mosley) would both be holding titles.

What a way to start the 2009 boxing year!

 

[Mr Weebles]

Wow, what a performance by Mosely.

For the boxing guys here, how common is it for boxers to try and gain an illegal advantage like Margarito did tonight? Have only recently started follow boxing and have no idea if it's commonplace in the sport.

I've heard about it before but never in a fight I actually watched. ESPN is reporting it was a "plaster-like" substance which makes sense as the ringside announcer said they were told it was something that would harden after getting wet (sweat, etc.).

It was collected as evidence and is being sent to the state athletic commission.

 

[BGrif21125]

Tremendous performance by Mosley, very few fighters can turn in their 2 best performances 9 years apart, which is what Mosley has now done. And I can't think of an older welterweight champ off the top of my head.

While I did pick Margarito to win, I did think there was a slim outside chance that he'd "pull a Vernon Forrest", so to speak. But I don't think that was even the case really, I think this was more a case of "great Mosley" than it was "bad Margarito." Mosley was so dominant, that even if Margarito had fought his A+ game, Shane still probably would have won.

Hopkins over Pavlik, Pacquiao over Oscar, Mosley over Margarito, it's the unexpected outcomes that make the sport great.

For the boxing guys here, how common is it for boxers to try and gain an illegal advantage like Margarito did tonight? Have only recently started follow boxing and have no idea if it's commonplace in the sport.

I wouldn't say it's commonplace, but it has happened (or at least been alleged) on several occasions over the years. Google "Billy Collins vs. Luis Resto", that's the worst case of glove tampering.

I'm sure Margarito and his camp will all plead ignorance, so we'll never really know for sure what was going on.

 

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

Tremendous performance by Mosley, very few fighters can turn in their 2 best performances 9 years apart, which is what Mosley has now done. And I can't think of an older welterweight champ off the top of my head.

While I did pick Margarito to win, I did think there was a slim outside chance that he'd "pull a Vernon Forrest", so to speak. But I don't think that was even the case really, I think this was more a case of "great Mosley" than it was "bad Margarito." Mosley was so dominant, that even if Margarito had fought his A+ game, Shane still probably would have won.

Hopkins over Pavlik, Pacquiao over Oscar, Mosley over Margarito, it's the unexpected outcomes that make the sport great.
I wouldn't say it's commonplace, but it has happened (or at least been alleged) on several occasions over the years. Google "Billy Collins vs. Luis Resto", that's the worst case of glove tampering.

I'm sure Margarito and his camp will all plead ignorance, so we'll never really know for sure what was going on.

I doubt we ever will REALLY know, but I do think that, fairly or not, this casts a shadow over the rest of Margarito's career. I'd like to think and I sincerely hope that this was some sort of an honest mistake or at least a one-time thing. But you can't help but look at his battering of Cotto, his brutal two-time destruction of Cintron and even his grotesque near-severing of Sebastian Lujan's ear and wonder if there was some other factor involved besides Maragarito's own undeniably iron will, size and sheer brutality.

That said, Shane was so completely effective in neutralizing Margarito's pressure literally from the opening bell, that it's hard to believe that even loaded gloves would have made THAT much of a difference in this fight. You still have to hit the guy, and Margarito didn't hit Shane enough to wear him down, probably even if he'd had a little something extra in his gloves.

Another factor here is that other than the 4-inch height advantage, Margarito had no real size advantage over Mosley, which has been rare in Margarito's career. While Cotto, for example, is a smaller guy who came up from 140 relatively recently, at this point in Shane's career he's a 154 who's coming down. Plus, despite being shorter, Shane had a slight reach advantage. That along with his probably equal strength, which let him tie up Margarito and prevent the punishing body attack, were extremely important in Shane's amazing victory.

PS: One other factor that's very interesting to consider. The beating that Margarito gave Cotto overshadowed the fact that Cotto landed a lot of very hard shots on Margarito in that fight as well. You have to wonder if Cotto softened him up and Mosley applied the coup de grace. Steve Kim asks this very question in his piece today.

While that is certainly a valid point, for all the conjecture of just how Cotto will come out of that grueling battle on July 26th, what shouldn't have been overlooked is that Margarito also took an unusual amount of punishment in there also. There have been fights in the past - most notably Diego Corrales-Jose Luis Castillo - where both participants come out irrevocably damaged.

...

Margarito is just 30, but it's a very hard 30. He's been a professional fighter for half his life and most of his fights are physically taxing affairs. The very fight that took him to this plateau might very well have been the fight that ended his prime, which in many ways is a shame, as he had fought so long and hard to get there.

PPS: And now comes this report that Margarito had eye surgery just one week before the fight. Very bizarre. Of course, for any "distraction" that Margarito's camp can claim, Mosley can claim a few of hos own. Great fight, or at least, great performance by Mosley, but a very weird aftermath.

 

[BGrif21125]

That said, Shane was so completely effective in neutralizing Margarito's pressure literally from the opening bell, that it's hard to believe that even loaded gloves would have made THAT much of a difference in this fight.

Yep, agreed. Mosley studied the Cotto tape and made sure to not make the 2 mistakes that Cotto made. He worked Margarito's body, and he tied Margarito up instead of running away from him. And I still can't believe that a 37 year old guy who's never bothered to jab his entire career could all of a sudden unveil a great left jab. The way Mosley fought, Margarito could have had bricks in his gloves and it wouldn't have mattered.

PS: One other factor that's very interesting to consider. The beating that Margarito gave Cotto overshadowed the fact that Cotto landed a lot of very hard shots on Margarito in that fight as well. You have to wonder if Cotto softened him up and Mosley applied the coup de grace.

Ya, that's a good point. Even though Margarito beat Cotto, he actually suffered way more damage than Cotto did, he was just able to take it better than Cotto. Who knows, Cotto-Margarito could end being a little bit like Morales-Pacquiao I. Morales (also coincidentally, an iron-chinned fighter from Tijuana) won that fight, but he took so many shots in the process that it basically ended his career. He never won again.

PPS: And now comes this report that Margarito had eye surgery just one week before the fight. Very bizarre. Of course, for any "distraction" that Margarito's camp can claim, Mosley can claim a few of hos own. Great fight, or at least, great performance by Mosley, but a very weird aftermath.

If this is true, then Margarito is a fool for going ahead with the fight. Mosley wasn't going anywhere, and the Cotto rematch wasn't going to disappear either. He could've postponed this fight, and still gotten his payday(s). I hope Margarito and his team aren't going to morph into "Ricky Hatton mode" to explain all the reasons why Margarito lost.

 

[ElUno20]

And I still can't believe that a 37 year old guy who's never bothered to jab his entire career could all of a sudden unveil a great left jab. The way Mosley fought, Margarito could have had bricks in his gloves and it wouldn't have mattered.

Are you really that shocked? I'm more surprised by Mosley knocking him out and completely dominating him physically. Of course Shane, who's never jabbed, could put on a jab clinic. It's Margarito. While he's a warrior, his boxing skills are pretty average.


Shane right now is the most feared man in boxing. ***Save for Paul Williams who doesn't count because NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND will fight him*** He's too big for Hatton or Manny and with Floyd's layoff I think his pressure would bother Floyd. At 37 he's just as good an athlete if not better than PBF. Floyd's defense would have to be in prime form (which I doubt after this much of a layoff) to slow down Shane.

If you go back and watch the Cotto fight, he had him gassed and broken down in the 10th or 11th round and let his foot off the gas and eventually lost the fight. He, not Margarito, was the 1st guy to have Cotto moving back. I honestly don't think he knew how much he had left in the tank for that fight. He was probably surprised when the fight was over with how good he still is.

 

[shawnrbu]

Did anybody catch FNF tonight? If you didn't see it, then you missed a nearly five minute round! I thought Teddy was going to have a stroke. Strange things happen in Montreal. We had the same ref from the controversial Bute/Andrade fight for Urango/Ngodju. Outside of the strangely mistimed round, the ref was tolerable tonight.

 

[allaboutthesox]

Are you really that shocked? I'm more surprised by Mosley knocking him out and completely dominating him physically. Of course Shane, who's never jabbed, could put on a jab clinic. It's Margarito. While he's a warrior, his boxing skills are pretty average.
Shane right now is the most feared man in boxing. ***Save for Paul Williams who doesn't count because NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND will fight him*** He's too big for Hatton or Manny and with Floyd's layoff I think his pressure would bother Floyd. At 37 he's just as good an athlete if not better than PBF. Floyd's defense would have to be in prime form (which I doubt after this much of a layoff) to slow down Shane.

If you go back and watch the Cotto fight, he had him gassed and broken down in the 10th or 11th round and let his foot off the gas and eventually lost the fight. He, not Margarito, was the 1st guy to have Cotto moving back. I honestly don't think he knew how much he had left in the tank for that fight. He was probably surprised when the fight was over with how good he still is.

Seriously? The most feared man in boxing right now? I can't say that I agree with that assumption at all. Mosley fought a tremendous fight, but at 37 years old I can hardly think of him as the most feared boxer right now. Regardless of whether you believe Mosley relented in his pressure of Cotto in their fight, Cotto won that fight. I am not trying to attack you in this post, but I can't see the correlation in how he would be the most feared right now.

One thing is for sure, Mosley fought a great fight and depending on how Cotto looks on February 21, we may end up getting to see a rematch of the two this summer. Like I mentioned earlier, I can't see Margarito-Cotto II going down anytime soon. Not that it wouldn't be a great fight, but there is not much in it in the way of money right now. Mosley has already stated he would like to fight Cotto next and if Cotto should beat Jennings, both fighters (Mosley and Cotto) would both be title holders and I think it would attract a bigger draw.

Right now I am just looking forward to watching Cotto's fight versus Jennings to see how his fight with Margarito might still be affecting. I am a big Cotto fan, but after a brutal fight like the one with Margarito it seems to be far more telling how Cotto has responded to a) losing his first fight and b) losing a brutal fight.

 

[BGrif21125]

Did anybody catch FNF tonight? If you didn't see it, then you missed a nearly five minute round! I thought Teddy was going to have a stroke. Strange things happen in Montreal. We had the same ref from the controversial Bute/Andrade fight for Urango/Ngodju. Outside of the strangely mistimed round, the ref was tolerable tonight.

Ya, that was truly bizarre. Now, it's not hard to imagine a round going a few seconds too long, because all it takes for that to happen is the timekeeper falling asleep at the wheel. But for a round to go 5:10, not only did the timekeeper screw up, but all the commission officials sitting ringside and the cornermen for both fighters must have been daydreaming too. You'd think that after about 15-20 seconds, someone would have looked up at the arena scoreboard, saw the time as "0:00", and yelled to the timekeeper that the round was way overdue. Very strange.

It's too bad that Montreal can't get its shit together, because by all accounts, it's a great boxing town. They pack that arena everytime one of their local guys fights. I'd love to see someone like Jermain Taylor fight Bute in Montreal in front of a loud sold-out crowd, but if you're Taylor (or Kessler...) why would you ever agree to go to Montreal after seeing all the strange stuff that's been going on?

Mosley has already stated he would like to fight Cotto next and if Cotto should beat Jennings, both fighters (Mosley and Cotto) would both be title holders and I think it would attract a bigger draw.

I think Mosley's promoters will go after Floyd first, simply because that's by far the biggest money fight out there for Shane. But if Floyd decides to be a pain to deal with during negotiations (very possible), then I think Cotto is the plan B, with Berto a longshot plan C.

The interesting question is: if you're Cotto, and you have a choice between a Mosley rematch or Margarito rematch, who do you pick? Mosley, who you beat (narrowly), but who is coming off a great performance... or Margarito, who completely broke your will, but just got the living crap kicked out of him by Shane? I'm not sure which one you choose if you're Cotto. Of course, if Margarito gets any type of suspension, that might make the decision a lot easier.

 

[allaboutthesox]

I think Mosley's promoters will go after Floyd first, simply because that's by far the biggest money fight out there for Shane. But if Floyd decides to be a pain to deal with during negotiations (very possible), then I think Cotto is the plan B, with Berto a longshot plan C.

The interesting question is: if you're Cotto, and you have a choice between a Mosley rematch or Margarito rematch, who do you pick? Mosley, who you beat (narrowly), but who is coming off a great performance... or Margarito, who completely broke your will, but just got the living crap kicked out of him by Shane? I'm not sure which one you choose if you're Cotto. Of course, if Margarito gets any type of suspension, that might make the decision a lot easier.

Mosley can go after Floyd as there would be more money in that fight, than with Cotto. I just can't see Floyd coming out to fight Mosley as I am sure he is aware that there will be more money on the table if Pacquiao should beat Hatton. I honestly think if Floyd was to come out it would only be for Pacquiao.

If I were Cotto, I would take the fight with Mosley as it would yield the most returns in the long run. What I mean by that is if Cotto should win another fight with Mosley, it would essentially put him as a possible next in line to fight a Pacquiao or Floyd. Which, would definitely be his (Cotto's) biggest payday. Should Cotto take Margarito and beat him I am not sure how that would help Cotto or set him up for a big payday later this year. As to beat Margarito would only reinforce the idea that Margarito may have gotten the best of Cotto because of how his gloves were wrapped. I can't take anything from Margarito as he did beat Cotto, but I can't help but to think that potentially that the "glove gate" might have affected that fight.

My money is on Mosley taking the Cotto fight if he should not be able to get Floyd to come out of retirement to fight. None the less with Mosley winning it has definitely set up to be an interesting year this year for us as fans.

 

[BGrif21125]

Barrera took a tuneup fight in Mexico last night against a no-name with a 1-7 record. Barrera won by DQ after he got headbutted and suffered a big cut over his eye. The Khan fight is now in jeopardy. I don't see what he thought he would gain from a tuneup against a terrible opponent.

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P.S.
Here's the 5 minute round from Friday night. It takes up the last 5 minutes of this clip:

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[wasavendor]

Framingham's Danny O'Connor fought in the first fight of the night, so he was not televised. He won a decision and ran his pro record to 3-0. Apparently he was whaling his opponent with body shots with such frequency that he split his right glove open which caused a 7 minute delay. He eventually won a unanimous decision.

 

[BGrif21125]

Calzaghe claims he's retired.

Link

 

[ElUno20]

Arce/Vic...tonight! Should be a war. Obviously you gotta stay away from Vic's left hand but with Arce's activity I think he can really bother Vic (who likes to set up his shots on a tee).

Thread regulars, who you got?

 

[shawnrbu]

I'll take Darchinyan in this one. I like Arce a lot more, but I think he will be too easy for Vic to hit and stop him on cuts late in the fight.

 

[BGrif21125]

Should be a fun action fight.

I haven't thought about it much from a prediction standpoint. Darchinyan dominated Mijares, who had previously dominated Arce, so I guess I'll go with Vic. But as Taylor-Hopkins-Pavlik and Mosley-Cotto-Maragrito have shown us lately, the whole "A beats B, B beats C, therefore A beats C..." thing doesn't always work out that way. Arce is a good body puncher, he needs to get to Vic's ribcage and sap some of his power if he's going to pull this one off.

 

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

At this point, I think boxing writers and fans have to look at putting Darchinyan on their top-10 pound-for-pound lists. The lone loss to Donaire, remaining unavenged, probably holds him back somewhat, but let's face it, he's pretty much cleaned out the division at 115, especially with Fernando Montiel moving up to bantamweight. And since that knockout loss to Donaire, Darchinyan has imprved immeasurably in his boxing skills and has looked about as unbeatable as anyone in boxing right now. I figured he'd beat Arce rather easily, but except for a couple brief flurries by Arce, that was a complete thrashing. Arce needs to retire after that one, I'm afraid.

So the only question for Vic now is, how high can he go on the scales and still keep his power and his chin (which may be his one weak spot -- but still not bad)? I've read some talk of a fight with Israel Vasquez. That would be Darchinyan's biggest money fight available to him. But it also means leaping two weight classes, from 115 to 122. For fighters on that end of the spectrum, those seven pounds area huge leap.

The upside for Vic in that matchup is that Vasquez has been through a number of wars, culminating in his brutal trilogy with Rafael Marquez -- the third installment being the most brutal of all. Setting aside the one-punch knockout he suffered against Donaire, Vic has taken relatively little punishment in his career. Even at 33, he's still very fresh. The same can't be said for Vasquez, whi has taken as much as he's dished out over the years.

 

[BGrif21125]

I'd like to see Darchinyan chase Montiel up to 118 and fight him there. The Vazquez (or Marquez)-at-122 idea seems plausible too. After watching Pacquiao move up to 147 and beat Oscar, I think other fighters are going to say to themselves "I can do that too."

Whoever it is, it would seem to make sense for the promoters to match Vic against a Mexican opponent. There's a big Armenian community in SoCal, so if you match Vic up against a Mexican opponent and stage it in CA (like the other night), then you can draw fans on both sides and get a good-sized crowd.

 

[Statman]

Looks like Margarito is banned from boxing in the US for a minimum of one year......

Margarito boxing license revoked

 

[Naehring11]

Looks like Margarito is banned from boxing in the US for a minimum of one year......

Margarito boxing license revoked

Wow. I don't think he comes back from this. He may have some fights in Mexico but he's probably done on US TV and done with big fights even if he does get his license back. I don't think he should get it back either.

This is really disappointing to me. Margarito has been one of my favorite fighters over the past couple of years.

 

[BGrif21125]

Wow. I don't think he comes back from this. He may have some fights in Mexico but he's probably done on US TV and done with big fights even if he does get his license back. I don't think he should get it back either.

I think he'll be back at some point, deservedly or not. If a Margarito fight can make money, then promoters/networks will have no problem putting him back on TV.

He'll fight once or twice in Mexico over the next year. When Margarito's 12 months are up, if there's a profitable fight out there, I could see his license being reinstated. Also keep in mind that Texas has a history of ignoring other states' decisions (Holyfield, Valero, etc.), and Texas is a place where a Mexican fighter can draw a big crowd, so that could be an option down the road.

 

[Naehring11]

I think he'll be back at some point, deservedly or not. If a Margarito fight can make money, then promoters/networks will have no problem putting him back on TV.

He'll fight once or twice in Mexico over the next year. When Margarito's 12 months are up, if there's a profitable fight out there, I could see his license being reinstated. Also keep in mind that Texas has a history of ignoring other states' decisions (Holyfield, Valero, etc.), and Texas is a place where a Mexican fighter can draw a big crowd, so that could be an option down the road.

But do you think his fans will stick with him? I'm not sure. I guess it all depends on that. I was one of his biggest fans and I'm done with the guy.

I also don't see another state ignoring the revocation in this case. It's different than a medical revocation or suspension.

 

[BGrif21125]

But do you think his fans will stick with him?

Some will, some won't... only time will tell I guess.

Tyson still had plenty of fans even after he bit someone's ear off, so nothing would shock me.

 

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

Some will, some won't... only time will tell I guess.

Tyson still had plenty of fans even after he bit someone's ear off, so nothing would shock me.

One problem Margarito may encounter is that, until he beat Cotto, he really didn't have much of a fan base. For whatever reason, Mexican fans hadn't taken him as "one of their own" the way they did with a Morales or Barrera. I'd have to Google back and check, but I recall his fight against Paul Williams playing to a thin crowd at the Home Depot Center in Carson, CA and I'm not sure he'd ever proven himself to be a gate attraction, even when he was supposedly "the most feared man in boxing" and everyone from Mayweather on down was apparently ducking him.

He obviously did prove that he'd gained star status with that crowd at the Staples Center. But will a fan base that had only recently jumped on his bandwagon now stay on it with his career under a cloud and in all likelihood, a full year or more off of U.S. television?

 

[BGrif21125]

Mayweather turns down Mosley:

Schaerfer spoke with Mayweather's manager Al Haymon, who told him that Floyd would not come out of retirement for a Mosley bout.

"I was told by [Mayweather's manager]Al Haymon that Floyd was not coming out of retirement to fight Shane Mosley. I feel bad for Shane. It's as if he looked too good in his last fight. It was the best performance of his career and maybe it made some guys not want to face him," said Schaefer to Sports Illustrated.

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[CrouchingTonyHiddenPena]

This is what pisses me off about pretty boy. He obviously needs the dough, and he wants to still go out undefeated (understandably so) and considered the best PFP fighter, but he cowers from a 38yr-old who will most likely never put together such a technical coup de grace performance again. From the man who actually said:

I respect what Robinson and Ali did for the sport. But I am the greatest, and this is my time.

Give me a break. I mean, I apologies to the Floyd lovers out there, as I have a ton of respect for him, but this reeks of cowardice from a 31yr-old with superior skills. Mosely is ripe for a big purse after his Margarito upset, and it seems foolish to say no to this fight.

Then again, I just REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to see these two fight relatively soon.


EDIT: I forgot this nugget from captain ego in 2006:

First, I'll beat Shane and then I'll beat his boss [De La Hoya].

Suuuuuure you will buddy.

 

[BGrif21125]

This is what pisses me off about pretty boy. He obviously needs the dough, and he wants to still go out undefeated (understandably so) and considered the best PFP fighter, but he cowers from a 38yr-old who will most likely never put together such a technical coup de grace performance again. From the man who actually said:
Give me a break. I mean, I apologies to the Floyd lovers out there, as I have a ton of respect for him, but this reeks of cowardice from a 31yr-old with superior skills. Mosely is ripe for a big purse after his Margarito upset, and it seems foolish to say no to this fight.

Then again, I just REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to see these two fight relatively soon.
EDIT: I forgot this nugget from captain ego in 2006:

Ya, I agree, it's disappointing to say the least. I think Floyd is hoping that Hatton beats Pacquiao, then he can fight Hatton again for big-money, knowing full well that he can beat Hatton rather easily just like he did the first time. And that's kinda lame.

If Pacquiao beats Hatton and Floyd agrees to fight Pacquiao (2 big Ifs), then I won't complain too much about Floyd not fighting Shane, because Mayweather-Pacquiao is a bigger fight than Mayweather-Mosley. But today's news is still disappointing/annoying.

I also forgot to include Cotto's reaction to the Margarito scandal in my last post:

Cotto refused to speculate whether Margarito had a similar substance on his wraps when they fought last July, a close, bloody bout that ended in the 11th round when Cotto's corner threw in the towel.

"They're the only ones that can answer that question. I can't answer that," Cotto said. "All I can tell you is I choose to think he had a good night."

Just the latest example that Cotto is a true pro.

 

[Frisbetarian]

A little off topic, but I wanted to give a quick heads up to fight fans in the Boston area. The Golden Gloves finals are being held next Tuesday and Wednesday at Lowell Memorial Auditorium. I went to the semi's last night and, as always, it was a great show. There are still tickets available for both nights next week, so if you are interested in an inexpensive night with tons of fights and an, ah, interesting crowd, get to Lowell and check it out.

Also, you won't be disappointed if you get to the area an hour or so before the 7:30 start, park at the $5 lot across the street (if you can't find street parking), and walk a short way up Merrimack St to Blue Taleh where the duck is tremendous.

 

[BGrif21125]

Chad Dawson injured his hand, so Dawson-Tarver II is off. Not a big disappointment, since it was a pointless rematch to begin with.

I'm going to skip the Pavlik/Cotto PPV this weekend.

 

[Naehring11]

Local Worcester boxer Edwin Rodriguez has signed with Lou DiBella and will fight 3/19 at Mechanic's Hall in Worcester. I've seen him fight a couple of times and he is an exciting fighter. He's got some stuff to work on but I think he could be pretty good. Anybody in the area should check it out. Hopefully this will lead to more fights in Central Mass. Tickets are pretty reasonably priced.

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