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Saturday is it. If they win, I actually think they can beat Florida and then anything happens in the ECF. If they lose, I am then on the “Monty should be gone” train since you can’t blow 3-1 leads in back to back years. No more second chances for anyone. Granted, you have to be up 3-1 to do it, but no team has ever blown 3-1 leads in back to back years. They better bring it.
 

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Gonna be an interesting Game 7.

Bruins trying to choke away 3-1 lead vs L:eafs trying to destroy fans psyche after getting their hopes all the way up.
 

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So the Bruins will either blow their second consecutive 3-1 series lead and lose their seventh straight series clinching game, or the Leafs will lose their sixth straight game 7.
 

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That game reminded me a lot of the Blues Finals games. Tight game, Bs couldn’t get any rhythm.

some notes:
-they are getting killed on face offs and it’s adding up.
-they were never all that dangerous in this game. Some bouncing rebounds were about it… you never really saw them making clean stick to stick passes around the goal to threaten
-Sway continues to excel
-the double minor was stupid and didn’t do them any favors

If they can get a lead and get the crowd hyped I like their chances. If they fall behind no doubt the crowd and the team will tense up and I don’t like their ability to come back. The team is going to need an entirely different first period than this last game
 

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But Stevie (@Smiling Joe Hesketh), you need to take a gummy and lighten up. This year's team was not expected to go anywhere - before the season I thought they'd be sellers at the deadline. But they finished with an unexpectedly wonderful 109 points, and are leading a very talented team in the first round of the playoffs. Everything is gravy at this point. Relax and enjoy the ride, hermano.
Thanks Fris. Perfect. Game 7’s are great. This team played their butts off all year and has a good shot to not only win the series, but get some retribution against Fla.
 

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I just don’t understand how they can come out so flat 2 games in a row like that.
This where I’m at, and one of the reasons I’m so down on Monty. They play their best game of the series in game 4, and come out flat, lifeless, and lacking urgency in the next 2? Overconfidence? If so, inexcusable given recent history. I just don’t think he pushes the right buttons for playoff hockey. It should absolutely not take a period and half, 2 games in a row, to wake up and start playing. The first 10 minutes feels like it will be very critical Saturday night. Hoping for the best, but honestly, expecting the worst.
 

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This where I’m at, and one of the reasons I’m so down on Monty. They play their best game of the series in game 4, and come out flat, lifeless, and lacking urgency in the next 2? Overconfidence? If so, inexcusable given recent history. I just don’t think he pushes the right buttons for playoff hockey. It should absolutely not take a period and half, 2 games in a row, to wake up and start playing. The first 10 minutes feels like it will be very critical Saturday night. Hoping for the best, but honestly, expecting the worst.
Terrified of a game 7 2019 type of period where the Bruins come out flying but give up the first goal. That said, I'd rather have them come out flying than the other way around.
 

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At this point it should probably be considered an upset if they actually win Game 7. Consider:

- The Bruins have now lost six straight games where they could have won a series.
- The Bruins have lost two straight Game 7s.
- The Bruins have blown 3-1 series leads in back-to-back years. This year they have done so despite Toronto missing their best player.
- Swayman is 0-2 in Game 7s.
- The Bruins are now 2-5 in their last 7 home playoff games.

God forbid it should go to overtime, because the Bruins are a hideous 4-11 in their last 15 home playoff games that have gone to overtime.

Also, this is now the 7th time since 2000 the Bruins have had a 3-1 series lead and have allowed the opponent to come back to at least tie the series, which is an absolutely shocking number.:
2004 vs Mon
2010 vs Phi
2013 vs Tor*
2014 vs Mon
2018 vs Tor*
2023 vs Fla
2024 vs Tor?
7 times in 18 playoff appearances since 2000. I would guess that most franchises haven't had this many blown series leads in their entire history. Maybe Washington has. The Bruins have done all that in less than 25 years.

Thank God for 2011, because without that the narrative around the Bruins changes to basically Maple Leafs South.
 
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Saturday is it. If they win, I actually think they can beat Florida and then anything happens in the ECF. If they lose, I am then on the “Monty should be gone” train since you can’t blow 3-1 leads in back to back years. No more second chances for anyone. Granted, you have to be up 3-1 to do it, but no team has ever blown 3-1 leads in back to back years. They better bring it.
I think even if they pull off a miracle and win, Monty should be fired. It's pretty clear he's not cut out to be an effective head coach in the playoffs.

And if I were Sweeney, I've got some hard thinking to do about the core of the team and its leadership. There's something incredibly wrong there. The utter lack of urgency and tentative play is unacceptable this time of year.
 

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In normal circumstances, all the pressure would be on the Bs. But this isn't normal, it's Toronto. With the "weight of the country" on them. Despite the fact that the country has a division's worth of other NHL teams, and most Canadians aren't fans of Toronto/Torontonians in general.

I won't be following along live, I've got tickets to see a Beethoven symphony. The 9th, not the 5th, which was turned into a pop song in the 70s. As was The Nutcracker Suite by Tchaikovsky. Into Nutrocker, which absolutely is remembered by every Bs fan old enough to connect the Bruins with Channel 38 and Fred and Johnny.

Okay, it's a tenuous link. But check out the video! Tape to tape passes leading to easy goals, being the push-ers rather than push-ees...hoisting the Cup!

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Even though the ice will invariably suck and the game thread will have 1000 post about it being garbage, I'd like the Bruins to just give up on the putrid dump and chase offense they were working with last night. Totally ineffective, garbage strategy. It made the Toronto defense look good.
 

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It should have been matching minors given Lohrei was holding his stick with his off hand for 5 seconds and wasn't hurt on the boarding so it wouldn't elevate to a 5 minute.

Regardless, the bigger issue was DeBrusk having nobody on him and deciding to ice the puck. Unsure if that was a miscommunication with the guy cutting towards the boards but that had more of a direct impact than a non-call.
 

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It should have been matching minors given Lohrei was holding his stick with his off hand for 5 seconds and wasn't hurt on the boarding so it wouldn't elevate to a 5 minute.

Regardless, the bigger issue was DeBrusk having nobody on him and deciding to ice the puck. Unsure if that was a miscommunication with the guy cutting towards the boards but that had more of a direct impact than a non-call.
It's still a penalty and it still should have been called. And it's not a shocker that since Keefe made his comments in the media that the Bruins are not getting the calls. We've seen this happen over and over again.

Agreed on DeBrusk. Frankly they had many opps to make good hockey plays last night and wouldn't pull the trigger. They are playing tight and they know it.
 

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It's still a penalty and it still should have been called. And it's not a shocker that since Keefe made his comments in the media that the Bruins are not getting the calls. We've seen this happen over and over again.

Agreed on DeBrusk. Frankly they had many opps to make good hockey plays last night and wouldn't pull the trigger. They are playing tight and they know it.
Which is why I said it should have been matching minors.

I think it's they don't have top end talent at forward, their D are more defensive- than offensive-oriented to the point Carlo is comparatively looking like Bobby Orr right now, and the good forwards, namely Pastrnak, aren't playing well.
 

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Which is why I said it should have been matching minors.

I think it's they don't have top end talent at forward, their D are more defensive- than offensive-oriented to the point Carlo is comparatively looking like Bobby Orr right now, and the good forwards, namely Pastrnak, aren't playing well.
Carlo has the 3rd most shots of any Bruins player in this series. Which is absolutely insane.

McAvoy is playing horribly and not like the 3rd or 4th highest paid defenseman in the entire league. Pasta and Marchand have been invisible, and they have no true center. And Monty is having another terrible playoff series.
 

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Given that we all agree that the Bruins are CHOKERS and LOSERS and everyone should be fired because we're all angry...a few thoughts on some problems

1. Woll is good. He's much better than Samsonov and we got a bit lucky the Leafs stuck with the latter for so long. Bruins need to get bodies in front and throw pucks at the net or else they're not winning.
2. Faceoffs...I have absolutely no idea how mid-series the Leafs' centers suddenly became an amalgamation of Yanic Perrault, Rob Brind'Amour, and Saint Patrice. It makes no sense unless there's some tell they know of or if they're just getting away with cheating. They're automatic though (see SJH's above post)
3. Last night the Leaves blocked 27 shots, which was easily the high for this series. They're playing tighter in the DZ but last night was too easy for them. Far too many clappers into crowds...throw wristers at the net with a sense of purpose.
4. Get the FC going...Toronto has clearly figured out how to beat Boston's pressure (two men spread, F3 high, D pinchers on wall). It's been hard to see on TV but it looks like they've been sending a W flying the zone forcing at least one D back for the Bruins. Need to adjust
5. Get through the NZ cleaner...breakouts were much better last night but Toronto was taking away the NZ very effectively, nothing through clean so the Bs couldn't get many clean ZE or even space for getting pucks in behind. another place they must adjust

I'm probably in the tiny minority that didn't think the Bruins played that bad last night- could have won the game for sure but Toronto played an excellent game...a bit strange to see them be the ones to play a near flawless tight defensive game. The Bruins flat out need to make some tactical adjustments and they 100% need to come out with greater purpose and intensity. Or else the angry mob gets to spew their bile everywhere without reasonable retort and heads will roll.
 

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2. Faceoffs...I have absolutely no idea how mid-series the Leafs' centers suddenly became an amalgamation of Yanic Perrault, Rob Brind'Amour, and Saint Patrice. It makes no sense unless there's some tell they know of or if they're just getting away with cheating. They're automatic though (see SJH's above post)
The Bruins don't have any real centers. That seems to be the issue. The constant faceoff losses are leading to extended time in their own zone and it's killing their ability to put pressure on Woll.

I have to disagree that the Bruins didn't play badly last night. Toronto is playing without Matthews and is controlling the entire game. The Bruins aren't getting shots on goal and aren't fighting for greasy goals when they get chances. 23 shots on goal is terrible, particularly when most of them aren't all that dangerous.
 

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The Bruins don't have any real centers. That seems to be the issue. The constant faceoff losses are leading to extended time in their own zone and it's killing their ability to put pressure on Woll.

I have to disagree that the Bruins didn't play badly last night. Toronto is playing without Matthews and is controlling the entire game. The Bruins aren't getting shots on goal and aren't fighting for greasy goals when they get chances. 23 shots on goal is terrible, particularly when most of them aren't all that dangerous.
Bruins had more high danger chances and better possession numbers than Toronto last night. Of course nothing anyone says is changing your mind
 

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Monty post game didn't even acknowledge TOR made changes defensively. Instead thought the changes giving them problems were on the offensive side. Brick kept saying they need to change up the net front approach because TOR was just packing it in, try bringing a third man high to loosen things up. When the color man is seeing things the coaching isn't and you are getting out coached by Sheldon Keefe you might be the problem.
 

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Bruins had more high danger chances and better possession numbers than Toronto last night. Of course nothing anyone says is changing your mind
Are you seriously trying to argue that they played well? Honest question. Because I cannot see it at all.

Marchand, McAvoy, Pasta, Lindholm, DeBrusk, Zacha, and Coyle all had more than 18 mins of ice time apiece and combined for zero points and only 15 shots. McAvoy in particular was dreadful last night. And this was with Toronto missing Matthews.
 

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At this point it should probably be considered an upset if they actually win Game 7. Consider:

- The Bruins have now lost six straight games where they could have won a series.
- The Bruins have lost two straight Game 7s.
- The Bruins have blown 3-1 series leads in back-to-back years. This year they have done so despite Toronto missing their best player.
- Swayman is 0-2 in Game 7s.
- The Bruins are now 2-5 in their last 7 home playoff games.

God forbid it should go to overtime, because the Bruins are a hideous 4-11 in their last 15 home playoff games that have gone to overtime.

Also, this is now the 7th time since 2000 the Bruins have had a 3-1 series lead and have allowed the opponent to come back to at least tie the series, which is an absolutely shocking number.:
2004 vs Mon
2010 vs Phi
2013 vs Tor*
2014 vs Mon
2018 vs Tor*
2023 vs Fla
2024 vs Tor?
7 times in 18 playoff appearances since 2000. I would guess that most franchises haven't had this many blown series leads in their entire history. Maybe Washington has. The Bruins have done all that in less than 25 years.

Thank God for 2011, because without that the narrative around the Bruins changes to basically Maple Leafs South.
I hate that you made me look up that fucking 2014 series but that was a 3-2 series lead they pissed away to an inferior team.
 

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They played well in spurts I think, but not at all consistent . The thing I cannot figure out is how they again started out horrifically bad for the entire 1st period.
 

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I hate that you made me look up that fucking 2014 series but that was a 3-2 series lead they pissed away to an inferior team.
Damn! My bad. I had it in my head it was 3-1. Probably had 2004 on the brain.

OK. So only SIX times in 18 playoff appearances since 2000 have they blown a 3-1 series lead. Which is still doubleplusungood.
 

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Bruins had more high danger chances and better possession numbers than Toronto last night. Of course nothing anyone says is changing your mind
I don't recall Woll making more than 3-4 saves that even stood out all game. Does it count as a high danger chance when you shoot wide or into your own players standing in front of the net because that is what B's are excelling at. B's had zero breakaways and I don't recall even any odd man rushes. I'm just not seeing these "high danger chances" the B's generated. Who deems something a HDC? Perhaps that stat is flawed or at least should be investigated a bit deeper than just taken as gospel.
 
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They played well in spurts I think, but not at all consistent . The thing I cannot figure out is how they again started out horrifically bad for the entire 1st period.
I think they start out tentative because they are worried about getting called for early penalties. And given the awful call on Marchand later in the game for pretty much nothing, that's a reasonable fear since they allowed Keefe to set the officiating tone with his remarks to the media.

But that's been a long term problem for them and they don't seem to be able to figure it out. I also suspect, though I do not know for sure, that Monty and the core players are playing to minimize mistakes instead of playing aggressively. That leads to passive play. That's a merest guess, though.
 

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Also, this wasn't helpful. Had the situation been reversed, of course Marchand would get 2 mins, but flopping here in Toronto is never gonna be called and Brad needs to be smarter about it. It was certain after this that no penalties were going to be called against anything done to Marchand in the game.

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Are you seriously trying to argue that they played well? Honest question. Because I cannot see it at all.

Marchand, McAvoy, Pasta, Lindholm, DeBrusk, Zacha, and Coyle all had more than 18 mins of ice time apiece and combined for zero points and only 15 shots. McAvoy in particular was dreadful last night. And this was with Toronto missing Matthews.
I'm not arguing they played great, but they weren't nearly as bad as they were in game 5 and not as bad as everyone seemed to think. The lack of shots making it through the crowds (as I mentioned above) skewed the SOG numbers and threw everyone into a tizzy.

You are correct that their best players (Sway aside) did nothing last night. I thought Hampus was the biggest MIA defenseman but that's certainly up for debate. What isn't up for debate is that the players that carried this team through the first 4 games need to make an impact on Saturday.
 

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Are the high danger chances in the room with us right now? I don't recall Woll making more than 3-4 saves that even stood out all game. Does it count as a high danger chance when you shoot wide or into your own players standing in front of the net because that is what B's are excelling at. B's had zero breakaways and I don't recall even any odd man rushes. I'm just not seeing these "high danger chances" the B's generated. Who deems something a HDC? Perhaps that stat is flawed or at least should be investigated a bit deeper than just taken as gospel.
Do the reading yourself.

I'll step out of this forum for a bit...it's obvious that this has just become a place for people to react emotionally.
 

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Damn! My bad. I had it in my head it was 3-1. Probably had 2004 on the brain.

OK. So only SIX times in 18 playoff appearances since 2000 have they blown a 3-1 series lead. Which is still doubleplusungood.
About 10% of all NHL 3-1 series comeback wins ever have occurred against the Bruins just in the last 20 years. And probably another 15% against the Caps going back to the mid 80s.
 

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About 10% of all NHL 3-1 series comeback wins ever have occurred against the Bruins just in the last 20 years. And probably another 15% against the Caps going back to the mid 80s.
No professional sports team in North America has EVER blown 3-1 series leads in back to back years. That is what stares the Bruins in the face tomorrow night.
 

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I think they start out tentative because they are worried about getting called for early penalties. And given the awful call on Marchand later in the game for pretty much nothing, that's a reasonable fear since they allowed Keefe to set the officiating tone with his remarks to the media.

But that's been a long term problem for them and they don't seem to be able to figure it out. I also suspect, though I do not know for sure, that Monty and the core players are playing to minimize mistakes instead of playing aggressively. That leads to passive play. That's a merest guess, though.
I think they are starting out tentative because they are tight and afraid to make mistakes instead of playing their usual game. I can assure you they aren't worried about committing penalties. Passes are not connecting, they are making panicky decisions with the puck, and they are largely not playing the same type of game that had gotten them the 3-1 lead. This is a trend now going back years with this core group when they have a chance to close a series out.
 

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Do the reading yourself.

I'll step out of this forum for a bit...it's obvious that this has just become a place for people to react emotionally.
Apologies for the snark that was unwarranted and I do appreciate you showing me where that stat comes from because I genuinely didn't know. I do find it interesting that they only -1 for a SC that is blocked. I find that a bit flawed especially in the context of last nights game where TOR was trying to block every shot attempt possible and B's continued to just fire it into traffic with no real plan. To me the chances that stood out were obviously the Nylander breakaway and I'd say the Marner chance that almost broke through Sway. Woll had a couple nice saves but I never got the sense he was standing on his head unlike Bob in game 5 last year. TOR defense was the story last night and B's inability to adjust combined with holding their sticks too tight on the few shot attempts they did have that made it through only to miss the net.
 

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Apologies for the snark that was unwarranted and I do appreciate you showing me where that stat comes from because I genuinely didn't know. I do find it interesting that they only -1 for a SC that is blocked. I find that a bit flawed especially in the context of last nights game where TOR was trying to block every shot attempt possible and B's continued to just fire it into traffic with no real plan. To me the chances that stood out were obviously the Nylander breakaway and I'd say the Marner chance that almost broke through Sway. Woll had a couple nice saves but I never got the sense he was standing on his head unlike Bob in game 5 last year. TOR defense was the story last night and B's inability to adjust combined with holding their sticks too tight on the few shot attempts they did have that made it through only to miss the net.
Only McAvoy (and only once that I can recall) did a Bruin at the blue line fake a shot or make any kind of move to beat a selling-out shot blocker.
 

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What? Over? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

What the fuck happened to the Bruins fans I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives tomorrow, but you're gonna let it be the worst. 'Ooh, we're afraid to go with you, Realness, they might lose.' (shouting) Well, just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Marner, he's a dead man! Woll, dead! Nylander...

I will be there tomorrow night to offset all the clenching in the stands. Let's. Fucking. Go.
 

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What? Over? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

What the fuck happened to the Bruins fans I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives tomorrow, but you're gonna let it be the worst. 'Ooh, we're afraid to go with you, Realness, they might lose.' (shouting) Well, just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Marner, he's a dead man! Woll, dead! Nylander...

I will be there tomorrow night to offset all the clenching in the stands. Let's. Fucking. Go.
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I'm not arguing they played great, but they weren't nearly as bad as they were in game 5 and not as bad as everyone seemed to think. The lack of shots making it through the crowds (as I mentioned above) skewed the SOG numbers and threw everyone into a tizzy.

You are correct that their best players (Sway aside) did nothing last night. I thought Hampus was the biggest MIA defenseman but that's certainly up for debate. What isn't up for debate is that the players that carried this team through the first 4 games need to make an impact on Saturday.
I think the meta point here, though, is they've looked sub par in two straight closeout games. It's immaterial if they looked better than people think in game 5, it still wasn't their best effort and it's disappointing yet again.

They are relatively healthy, there's no excuse here.
 

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Man. Monty has to know he will be fired if they lose on Saturday, right? This is borderline irresponsible of him. The series is playing out the EXACT same way as last year.
Too me it looks like he has lost his locker room, they are certainly playing that way it seems.... I agree if they go down next game i have to imagine he will be replaced, how much more of a leash do we give Sweeney though?
 

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I think their advantage was goaltending. Samsonov was bad and that's why they got up 3-1. Woll was a gamble, but it paid off.

I think Woll has brought the series back to coin flips. In games 5 and 6 I thought the Leafs needed the first goal to avoid pressure becoming a dominating factor. Now I think that's flipped for game 7. Have to find a way.