https://twitter.com/IanMBrowne/status/413379995038277632Rockies http://MLB.com reporter Thomas Harding and I have confirmed that Franklin Morales is going to the Rox for Jonathan Herrera.
https://twitter.com/IanMBrowne/status/413379995038277632Rockies http://MLB.com reporter Thomas Harding and I have confirmed that Franklin Morales is going to the Rox for Jonathan Herrera.
Red(s)HawksFan said:Ian Browne is reporting that Franklin Morales is going to the Rockies for utility infielder Jonathan Herrera.
Not that Herrera is any kind of uber-utility guy, but this acquisition seems to indicate the chances of Stephen Drew returning are less and less, or at least not at the forefront of Ben Cherington's priorities.
https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/413381794847653889Here is one blog's take on Herrera: http://roxpile.com/2013/10/29/colorado-rockies-2013-grades-jonathan-herrera/ … "steady defense.. a lot of solid contact.. poster boys for guys who “play hard”.
https://twitter.com/IanMBrowne/status/413382104861249536Prospect Chris Martin also going to Rockies in this trade.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/413383078116360193Herrera excellent fit as utility IFer for #RedSox. One #Rockies exec describes him as a “professional ball catcher.”
https://twitter.com/brianmacp/status/413383437496500224Jonathan Herrera: Switch-hitting infielder with little pop but relatively strong strike-zone command. UZR likes him OK at 2B/3B, less at SS.
Seriously. Intervention time.rembrat said:Cherington to Farrell: "Please stop using Morales in high-lev situations."
He seems to be significantly better hitting from the left side, which complements Pedroia, WMB, and Xander well. He's above average at 3rd and 2nd, slightly below average at 2nd.glennhoffmania said:I like it. If Herrera can play solid defense and put up an OBP in the .320s as projected, it seems that they just filled the last remaining hole. And while it isn't much, they do save a little money and cap room.
This is exactly what I thought. I think there may be some truth to it considering the return.rembrat said:Cherington to Farrell: "Please stop using Morales in high-lev situations."
CaskNFappin said:Hope this means Drew is gone. I'm eager to see what our SP surplus can net.
I think that is the second to last opening, the don't have anyone who can back up CF/RF should one of JBJ or Victorino goes down for any signifigant amount of time.glennhoffmania said:I like it. If Herrera can play solid defense and put up an OBP in the .320s as projected, it seems that they just filled the last remaining hole. And while it isn't much, they do save a little money and cap room.
I'm not sure that can be assumed. Often you move (secure) the pawn (back-up roles) before moving more important pieces. What it does do is gain leverage in dealing with Drew, should he walk were fine and should the sign him, they already have there 3B, Xander with their new found utility player in place. If this happens it's almost certain then that Middlebrooks would be traded.CaskNFappin said:Hope this means Drew is gone. I'm eager to see what our SP surplus can net.
For me it isn't an obsession. And I can see all the reasons to let him go. But really you answered your own question. Why would Middlebrooks alone not bring back enough in a trade worth making?Rasputin said:What the hell is with this obsession with Drew? There's like a half a percent chance he signs with the Sox because we'd have to trade one of Middlebrooks or Bogaerts first and we don't want to trade Bogaerts for almost anything, and Middlebrooks alone isn't enough to bring back enough to make a trade worth making.
I mean, the team is pretty well set as it is. Any trade to improve it is going to have to be one for a significant player else why disrupt what we have in place?
He buys you a year to Cecchini and he's significantly better than WMB? WMB can be in Pawtucket, why does he have to be traded?Rasputin said:What the hell is with this obsession with Drew? There's like a half a percent chance he signs with the Sox because we'd have to trade one of Middlebrooks or Bogaerts first and we don't want to trade Bogaerts for almost anything, and Middlebrooks alone isn't enough to bring back enough to make a trade worth making.
I mean, the team is pretty well set as it is. Any trade to improve it is going to have to be one for a significant player else why disrupt what we have in place?
Red(s)HawksFan said:Ian Browne is reporting that Franklin Morales is going to the Rockies for utility infielder Jonathan Herrera.
Not that Herrera is any kind of uber-utility guy, but this acquisition seems to indicate the chances of Stephen Drew returning are less and less, or at least not at the forefront of Ben Cherington's priorities.
joe dokes said:
Or that if Drew comes back, its not to be a utility IF, because he's never played anything other than SS.
seantoo said:I think that is the second to last opening, the don't have anyone who can back up CF/RF should one of JBJ or Victorino goes down for any signifigant amount of time.
Well, the sample size is small, but Brock Holt appears to be really bad at defense.Plympton91 said:How is Herrera different from Holt? Does Holt have options so that this builds a liittle bit of depth into the middle infield that is lacking it?
SouthernBoSox said:Well, the sample size is small, but Brock Holt appears to be really bad at defense.
Hee Sox Choi said:This may be a rhetorical question but I wonder if an agent like Boras would present to the Red Sox a statistical analysis of why Will Middlebrooks is not a good player in order to sell them on bringing back Drew. Would that be considered bad business (assuming Boras doesn't represent Middlebrooks obviously)? Would that be considered a total scumbag move on Boras' part? I wonder if agents do stuff like that. Of course, if the agent of the player being backstabbed found out, they would be pretty pissed off and it might ruin Boras' reputation. Or is everything fair game when agents are trying to get their client top dollar? Boras could hand over the RED BINDER of why Middlebrooks isn't going to make it and then ask for it back at the end of the meeting (leaving no evidence) and then deny it if it ever came out.
Just wondering if anyone has any insight on this. IMO it would be pretty dirty but I don't know much about the agency underworld.
TomRicardo said:Hooray I missed Alex Cora. I thought Franklin Morales was worth a little bit more than a replacement value UIF. I was wrong.
Hee Sox Choi said:This may be a rhetorical question but I wonder if an agent like Boras would present to the Red Sox a statistical analysis of why Will Middlebrooks is not a good player in order to sell them on bringing back Drew. Would that be considered bad business (assuming Boras doesn't represent Middlebrooks obviously)? Would that be considered a total scumbag move on Boras' part? I wonder if agents do stuff like that. Of course, if the agent of the player being backstabbed found out, they would be pretty pissed off and it might ruin Boras' reputation. Or is everything fair game when agents are trying to get their client top dollar? Boras could hand over the RED BINDER of why Middlebrooks isn't going to make it and then ask for it back at the end of the meeting (leaving no evidence) and then deny it if it ever came out.
Just wondering if anyone has any insight on this. IMO it would be pretty dirty but I don't know much about the agency underworld.
Hee Sox Choi said:This may be a rhetorical question but I wonder if an agent like Boras would present to the Red Sox a statistical analysis of why Will Middlebrooks is not a good player in order to sell them on bringing back Drew. Would that be considered bad business (assuming Boras doesn't represent Middlebrooks obviously)? Would that be considered a total scumbag move on Boras' part? I wonder if agents do stuff like that. Of course, if the agent of the player being backstabbed found out, they would be pretty pissed off and it might ruin Boras' reputation. Or is everything fair game when agents are trying to get their client top dollar? Boras could hand over the RED BINDER of why Middlebrooks isn't going to make it and then ask for it back at the end of the meeting (leaving no evidence) and then deny it if it ever came out.
Just wondering if anyone has any insight on this. IMO it would be pretty dirty but I don't know much about the agency underworld.
Hee Sox Choi said:This may be a rhetorical question but I wonder if an agent like Boras would present to the Red Sox a statistical analysis of why Will Middlebrooks is not a good player in order to sell them on bringing back Drew. Would that be considered bad business (assuming Boras doesn't represent Middlebrooks obviously)? Would that be considered a total scumbag move on Boras' part? I wonder if agents do stuff like that. Of course, if the agent of the player being backstabbed found out, they would be pretty pissed off and it might ruin Boras' reputation. Or is everything fair game when agents are trying to get their client top dollar? Boras could hand over the RED BINDER of why Middlebrooks isn't going to make it and then ask for it back at the end of the meeting (leaving no evidence) and then deny it if it ever came out.
Just wondering if anyone has any insight on this. IMO it would be pretty dirty but I don't know much about the agency underworld.
SouthernBoSox said:For me it isn't an obsession. And I can see all the reasons to let him go. But really you answered your own question. Why would Middlebrooks alone not bring back enough in a trade worth making?
Because there is a very real possibility he isn't good. So on one hand your saying the team is set, and on the other hand your saying their starting third baseman has very little value.
I think this is a better team next year with Drew on the roster, but like I said. I can see the reasons for letting him walk.
bosockboy said:He buys you a year to Cecchini and he's significantly better than WMB? WMB can be in Pawtucket, why does he have to be traded?
What obsession? this is my first post regarding Drew possibly coming back to the Sox. I merely pointed it out as a distinct possibility, and talks of trading Middlebrooks are out there wether or not you agree with that. And even if you are right about Middlebrooks (I disagree with you as 5 years of a controlled cost player with his power has value) not bringing back enough on his own to make it worth while they could package him with excess pitching both here in Boston and down on the farm to make him very interesting. They could always upgrade their pitching and/or their lack of OF depth both in Boston and/or down on the farm.Rasputin said:What the hell is with this obsession with Drew? There's like a half a percent chance he signs with the Sox because we'd have to trade one of Middlebrooks or Bogaerts first and we don't want to trade Bogaerts for almost anything, and Middlebrooks alone isn't enough to bring back enough to make a trade worth making.
I mean, the team is pretty well set as it is. Any trade to improve it is going to have to be one for a significant player else why disrupt what we have in place?
seantoo said:What obsession? this is my first post regarding Drew possibly coming back to the Sox. I merely pointed it out as a distinct possibility, and talks of trading Middlebrooks are out there wether or not you agree with that. And even if you are right about Middlebrooks (I disagree with you as 5 years of a controlled cost player with his power has value) not bringing back enough on his own to make it worth while they could package him with excess pitching both here in Boston and down on the farm to make him very interesting. They could always upgrade their pitching and/or their lack of OF depth both in Boston and/or down on the farm.
Rasputin said:
1) I wasn't referencing you in particular having an obsession, but SoSH as a whole. Have you seen the Drew thread? It's one of the most active threads at this point in the offseason, and for a guy who's got maybe a three percent chance of coming back.
zenter said:
Are you talking about a conversation about a guy who...
1) Was easily one of the best in the league at his position last year?
2) Proved he's nothing to sneeze at defensively?
3) Is one of the few remaining high-quality FAs out there at an already-thin position?
4) Is the biggest will-he/won't-he return question after Salty?
It's one thing to be tired of an unsettled conversation, but to say that it's an obsession is a bridge too far.
Puffy, should JBJ go down with an injury Victorino slides over to center as you noted. Who then moves to RF. I know Nava filled in there last season but surely that is not plan B this year, nor was it last season.Puffy said:
Assuming Bradley is the starter, the 4-man bench would be Ross, Carp, Herrera, and Gomes/Nava, with Victorino backing up CF.
Adding another CF backup to the bench means either a 5-man bench or getting rid of Carp, Gomes, or Nava.